Talk:The Two Georges

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Release dates?[edit]

The release ans award dates (if correct) require time travel.

Anyone know the correct dates? Osprey

Per the Sidewise Award site, it was indeed nominated for the 1995 award (though it did not, in fact, win it). Per Amazon, the first edition was released March 1, 1996. So I'm confused, too. —Cryptic (talk) 04:49, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
You know? This one had me stumped as well, until it dawned on me. When you read, Sidewise's website, you'll note the publisher is listed as "Hodder & Staughton", a *British* publisher. Apparently, it was published in the UK first in 1995, before its U.S. debut in March of 1996. See: http://catalogue.bl.uk for details. The book was an interesting read, I remember it. Interesting, a mistake we make often in the USA, assuming a book has been published in this country first. I wonder if the same would have happened in Turtledove's British America, or "North American Union" --Larry G 05:50, 13 November 2005 (UTC) Posting from around New Liverpool <grin>.

Flag[edit]

I have switched the "jack and stripes" used on this page a flag of the British East India Company with the post-1800 Union Jack. According to FOTW, this flag is used in the book; see http://flagspot.net/flags/fic_2g.html#nau. - Thanks, Hoshie 09:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry,[edit]

But alot of stuff after the plot summary looks like original research and/or questionable. 68.39.174.238 04:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above poster. That, and, much of the section "Social and Political Themes" is written in a manner that unfit of an encyclopedia article. The about Martin Luther King are written in a manner best fitting a review of the book, not an encyclopedia article on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.55.245 (talk) 03:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

That map is...[edit]

...incorrect, per the authoritative version included in the front of the version I finished reading. The British still have British Guiana, Portugal is evidently independent (Or at least still owns Brazil), all of Africa is listed as belonging to someone, etc, etc. 68.39.174.238 18:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The Road to Wigan Pier[edit]

Not sure where or whether this should be inserted but The Two Georges' scenes of mining life owe a lot to George Orwell's The Road to Wigan Pier. Avalon (talk) 08:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Provinces of the NAU/Edit Request 8/20/14[edit]

In this book, the North American Union is composed of many provices. Could they be put on the artical in a table, please? I will list the provinces below. Note, OTL means Original Time Line or Our Time Line and ATL means Alternate Time Line. Could a map of the North American Union from the book also be put on Wikipedia on the Two Georges page? 24.147.1.197 (talk) 15:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)Jacob Chesley

List of Provices[edit]

These are all of the known provinces of the North American Union. My source was from the Harry Turtledove Wiki. That wiki helped me out with the list. 24.147.1.197 (talk) 15:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)Jacob Chesley
  • Baffin - OTL North West Territories (less the Southeastern section) and northwestern Nunavut aswell as the Victoria and King William Islands.
  • Cranmer - OTL Texas (minus the eastern part) and Oklahoma (minus the southeastern corner). This province is named after Thomas Cranmer.
  • Florida - OTL Florida, the extreme southern parts of Alabama and Mississippi bordering the Gulf of Mexico, and the Florida Parishes of Louisiana.
  • Georgia - OTL Georgia and the remaining part of Alabama.
  • Hudsonia - OTL Nunavut (minus the northwestern section aswell as the Victorian and King Islands) and the southeastern section of the Northwest Territories.
  • Louisiana - OTL Louisiana (minis the Florida Parishes and the northeastern part), a central strip of Mississippi, eastern Texas, southeastern Oklahoma, and a southwestern corner of Arkansas.
  • Missouri - OTL Missouri south of the Missour River, northern Arkansas, and Kansas and Nebraska south of the Platte River.
  • New Guernsey - OTL Wisconsin, Minnesota east of the Mississippi River, and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
  • New York - OTL New York (minus the western section), but includes all of OTL Vermont.
  • Ontario - OTL Manitoba, northeastern North Dakota, and northwestern Minnesota.
  • The Six Nations - OTL western New York.
  • Upper California - OTL California and western Nevada.
  • Victoria - Although not a province at all, Victoria is the seat of the North American Union Government. It takes up OTL Washington D.C. and is named after Queen Victoria. The city is in Maryland.
  • Washington - OTL Saskachewan, eastern Montana, western North Dakota, and norhtwestern South Dakota. This province is named after George Washington.
  • Wilberforce - OTL Michigan (except the Upper Peninsula).

Well, here is the finished list! I hope someone answers and does my request soon! 24.147.1.197 (talk) 15:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)Jacob Chesley

Mess up on Provinces Section[edit]

I was able to put down all of the provinces of the North American Union on the page. However, something messed up and my editing didn't come out like I planed. I thought I set up the table where I put the names of all the provinces in order correctly, but the table still got screwed up somehow. Could someone fix my mess up? --75.68.122.13 (talk) 14:24, 17 January 2015 (UTC)Jacob Chesley the Alternate Historian

Who ever fixed my mess up, thank you very much :)! --75.68.122.13 (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2015 (UTC)Jacob Chesley the Alternate Historian

It was me - just needed to add a couple of lines to start the table. You're welcome! Robevans123 (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


Map/Edit Request 7/29/2016[edit]

Could new map be added to the article? The map of the world that is already on the article is horribly inaccurate to the one on found in the novel. The borders of some of the nations and colonies and wrong and a few of those colonies and shown to be part of the wrong European power. The map in the link below me is much cleaner and more accurate.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/turtledove/images/6/69/WorldMap_1995_TheTwoGeorges_by_lamnay.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120730173506

--75.68.122.13 (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC)Jacob Chesley the Alternate Historian