Talk:Timothy Spall: ...at Sea

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I don't see a need for this article to have a citation requirement. Looking at the detail it can be seen that the vessel called in at the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland as well as various locations on the island of Great Britain. From a purely geographic perspective the vessel is calling at ports around the British Isles. We don't need to take the desciption literally as meaning saling round the perimeter of the British Isles. Van Speijk (talk) 17:12, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article says it's "a trip around the British Isles". It's not. To go around the British Isles would take in the West coast of Ireland, and the Channel Islands too. On the BBC website, this trip is described as Spall continuing his mini-odyssey around Britain, which you'd imagine is far more accure. --HighKing (talk) 19:29, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're taking the meaning of the phrase too literally. As I said above, a trip "around" the British Isles doesn't have to mean what you say. The vessel is calling at ports around the British Isles, including on the two main islands. Thta's sufficient to support the current use. Also, we are at liberty to interpret meanings and don't have to go with the precise wording of a source. Van Speijk (talk) 19:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's your opinion. Please provide a reference that backs that up. --HighKing (talk) 16:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What do you want a source for - that the vessel is travelling around the British Isles? Van Speijk (talk) 17:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's how it works here... --HighKing (talk) 22:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot see what the problem is here. The sources already in place back up the statements. Van Speijk (talk) 18:07, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide a source that meets WP:RS please? TV review pages are opinion pieces, and not factual or reliable. Nowhere on an actual reliable source is it described as circumnavigating the British Isles (as the opinion pieces in the Independent and Daily Mirror state) which as we've already established anyway, is nonsense. --HighKing (talk) 23:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC News link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-14670050) also clearly states 'British Isles'.Paste _{Let’s have a chat.} 09:21, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good ref, thanks Paste. --HighKing (talk) 11:00, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saw your cleanup - we can probably remove 3 or 4 of those refs now - perhaps just keep the BBC refs or something? TV reviews aren't good refs by and large, so I'd get rid of The Guardian, Sun, and Independent as all the info is repeated in the others. --HighKing (talk) 13:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A trip "around" something does not mean that you have to literally circumnavigate every inch of the outside of something; it also means "visiting all of them". A trip around the the Lake District would not mean travelling the perimeter of every lake, you would not even have to travel to all the lakes, just cover a larger part of the area than not. Travelling around the British Isles would be seen to be correctly applied if one had gone to mostly all the countries and travelled a large amount of the distance.

Unfortunately the major issue here is the use of the term British Isles. In reality the trip Spall made was around Great Britain. To travel "round the British Isles" would almost certainly have meant travelling to Eire, as one of the three largest land masses of the British Isles. To circumnavigate the British Isles would have meant going around Eire through the North Atlantic - especially as he did not circumnavigate Scotland, instead adopting to only encompass around half its area missing out Highland, Eigg & Muck & Rum, Skye, Lewis, Orkney and Shetland. Chaosdruid (talk) 10:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]