Talk:Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca

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Kuchuk-Kainarji is the corrupted spelling of the Turkish name Küçük Kaynarca (Küçük=little). Check Britannica for confirmation 08:18, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I've moved the page per the Britannica article. —Khoikhoi 22:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Orthodox Protectorate[edit]

Can somebody provide a cite for the information that this treaty granted the Ottoman Empire rights of protection with Russia? This wasn't mentioned in the reference I used and it seems unusual. The Ottomans lost the war and all of the other terms were in Russia's favor. Why would Russia have turned around and made such a major concession? MK2 05:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

---It was an Ottoman concession, not a Russian one. My understanding of the treaty is it gave the Russian tsar the right to lodge complaints raised by Orthodox subjects within the Ottoman Empire, but not actually a protectorate over the Orthodox minority (millet) within the Ottoman Empire. The Russians at times tried to interpret the clause more broadly to give them a protectorate over all the Orthodox subjects within the Ottoman Empire (thus, a significant say in large areas of the Balkans as well as some other areas), but the actually text of the treaty did not give them such a broad power. The dispute over the meaning of this clause was one of the causes of the Crimean War. See Anne Pottinger Saab's (1977) book "The Origins of the Crimean Alliance" for more information on this.


In what sense did the Ottoman Empire reach the Caspian Sea in 1774, covering all of the North and South Caucasus, as we show on this map?

At Russo-Persian War (1722–23) we have the Russia winning much of Dagestan and Azerbaijan from the Persian Empire, and returning those provinces in 1735. At Russo-Persian War (1804–13) we have Russia winning more South Caucasus territory from Persia, Treaty of Gulistan provides a map.

At Erivan Khanate and Nakhichevan Khanate we provide a map c. 1800 showing the eastern border of the Ottoman Empire almost precisely where modern Turkey borders Armenia and Iran today. We say of the former [modern Armenia, approximately] that "Persian rule was interrupted by Ottoman occupations between 1513–14, 1533–34, 1548–49, 1553–55, 1580–1604, 1635–36 and 1722–36." Compare Khanates of the Caucasus to much the same point.

Our coverage of Ottoman-Persian wars in many articles implies that the Ottomans really controlled the Caucasus region only briefly around 1600. --P64 (talk) 20:46, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

At Georgia (country), we say that "Eastern Georgia, composed of the regions of Kartli and Kakheti, had been under Persian suzerainty since 1555. With the death of Nader Shah in 1747, both kingdoms broke free of Persian control and were reunified through a personal union under the energetic king Heraclius II in 1762." ... annexed by Russia in 1800/1801.
I wonder whether the Ottoman Empire was more than self-understood protector of the Muslims in some sense. --P64 (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
The map is not rendering correctly. We only see a black map. -Theklan (talk) 14:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)