Talk:Triple Concerto No. 2 (Smirnov)

A fact from Triple Concerto No. 2 (Smirnov) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 May 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Dmitri Smirnov (pictured) composed the Triple Concerto No. 2 for the centenary concert of the London Symphony Orchestra, with the principal violinist, harpist, and double bassist as soloists?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Triple Concerto No. 2 (Smirnov).

Wikipedia

Classical music

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Classical music, which aims to improve, expand, copy edit, and maintain all articles related to classical music, that are not covered by other classical music related projects. Please read the guidelines for writing and maintaining articles. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the project page for more details.Classical musicWikipedia:WikiProject Classical musicTemplate:WikiProject Classical musicClassical music articles

Russia Low‑importance

	Russia portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Russia, a WikiProject dedicated to coverage of Russia on Wikipedia. To participate: Feel free to edit the article attached to this page, join up at the project page, or contribute to the project discussion.RussiaWikipedia:WikiProject RussiaTemplate:WikiProject RussiaRussia articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United Kingdom Low‑importance

	United Kingdom portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Requested move 11 May 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: (WP:SNOW close) Moved, per rationale that Triple Concerto No. 2 is an ambiguous term, and thus needs disambiguation anyhow. Consensus on this rationale, and on the fact that it may be implemented without delay was found in the discussion below. If a new WP:RM request is desired it must start from this fact. (non-admin closure) Francis Schonken (talk) 04:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Triple Concerto No. 2 → Triple Concerto No. 2 (Smirnov) – Per WP:MUSICSERIES, parenthetical disambiguation should be included for a composition with a generic title "even if the article title is unique without it". King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Actually that would have been my preferred name, but I was afraid JHunterJ would move it then. Another option would be to make it an article about both of Smirnov's triple concertos, but that would take a few days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRECISION. The WP:MUSICSERIES guideline shouldn't contradict policy. If the composer's name is necessary for a good title, support move to Smirnov's Triple Concerto No. 2 per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURALDIS where no ambiguity exists. See Internet usage, for example. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No: Your interpretation of policy does not override a guideline, which represents a consensus interpretation of policy which was adopted in full view of and with implicit assent of the policy's maintainers. There are policy-based reasons, such as WP:CONSISTENT, for this rule. Unless you can point out a specific line from WP:AT that bans parenthetical disambiguators when the base title is unique, a guideline which explicitly authorizes their use takes precedence over whatever you think policy ought to say. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 12:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No. Wikipedia's policy on article titling includes three strikes against it, which I linked in my !vote. WP:PRECISION, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:NATURALDIS. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, that's your interpretation of it. WP:MUSICSERIES is a consensus which has been endorsed by the community, and unequivocally specifies this form. You are pushing to make a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS in this RM. If you disagree with the guideline, propose for it to be removed first. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 13:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's just common sense.--Smerus (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Moot (i.e., as an "unnecessary disambiguation" RM): also Bach wrote a Triple Concerto No. 2 (=BWV 1064), so the Triple Concerto No. 2 page should either be a disambiguation page or a redirect to the Bach concerto (which is certainly the most famous concerto of the two, when comparing Bach's "Triple" No. 2 with Smirnov's "Triple" No. 2, so WP:PRIMARYTOPIC may apply). I'd support a WP:SNOW close, moving the current content on Smirnov's No. 2 to Triple Concerto No. 2 (Smirnov), and making Triple Concerto No. 2 a disambiguation page. --Francis Schonken (talk) 15:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
support for that --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That proposal makes a lot of sense. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.