Talk:Tulio de Oliveira

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A fact from Tulio de Oliveira appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that after first alerting authorities to the Omicron variant in South Africa, bioinformatician Tulio de Oliveira insisted that its origin is unknown?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tulio de Oliveira.

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that Tulio de Oliveira led the team that detected the Omicron variant and noted that similar cases had been detected in other parts of the world?~~ Source: Professor Tulio de Oliveira, who leads the team that confirmed the discovery of Omicron, noted that "10 to 15" similar cases had been found in other parts of the world, including the UK....[1]

Alt1 ... that bioinformatician Tulio de Oliveira led the team that discovered the Beta and Omicron variants of the coronavirus in South Africa? Philafrenzy (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Reviewed: Istanbul Waste Power Plant

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 20:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

New enough and long enough. QPQ present. I am not approving ALT0 because it misrepresents the quote context—the "similar cases" are immunodeficient people with long-running infections, as I have added to the article. ALT1 is better and supported by the hook. No other textual issues. ALT1 is approved. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:29, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Oliveira came to the "scientific battleground" of researching the new omicron variant after it was found, he took part in confirming it. Read, for instance, the german language quality newspaper article by Tagesspiegel Berlin, date=2021-12-11 : Directly from the newspaper's website: [2] or via MSN: „In unseren PCR-Tests war etwas anders“: Das Labor, das Omikron entdeckte . English translation of the headline: With our PCR-Tests, there was something different — The Laboratory that found the Omicron Variant. The Newspaper says, Eftyhia Vardas of Lancet Laboratory Johannesburg (not to be confused with Lancet, the top scientific journal) found a different signal in some of their PCR-Tests (i suppose the difference was a S gene failure) and started the process of checking whether this is a new variant. Eftyhia Vardas has a Scopus h-Index of h=26: https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=6701448340 --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:02, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Alt1 sounds okay to me. I have reworded a bit but happy for anyone else to tweak it more. Eftyhia Vardas first detected the mutations. Sources and hook and article say de Oliveira led the team. BMJ: Tulio de Oliveira, "the South African scientist who identified the omicron variant"[3]. New Yorker:Tulio de Oliveira is the principal investigator and leader of the Network for Genomic Surveillance in South Africa, which involves seven genomic facilities distributed across the country. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May need a new reviewer, unless @Sammi Brie: can go through. Haven't crossed Alt1 as it is what is said in several sources. Thank you.

Alt2...after first alerting authorities to the Omicron variant in South Africa, bioinformatician Tulio de Oliveira insisted that the origin is not known?

Alt3...the Omicron variant was first revealed to authorities by bioinformatician Tulio de Oliveira after it was first detected at Johannesburg's Lancet Laboratory? Whispyhistory (talk) 16:50, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about:

Alt4 ... that bioinformatician Tulio de Oliveira contends that although the Omicron variant of the coronavirus was discovered in South Africa, it may have originated elsewhere?

Alt5 ... that bioinformatician Tulio de Oliveira has hypothesised that coronavirus variants of concern may emerge in the bodies of people who are immunosuppressed?

Philafrenzy (talk) 18:45, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let me look, I hadn't gotten pinged, so I had no clue of this.

Revised ALT1, ALT2, ALT3 and ALT4 are fine. ALT5 is not because it is not in the article text. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked ALT2 to T:DYK/P6

A sentence with multiple issues

The sentence "With others he has suggested ... " has several issues:

i am not sure whether it is too near to a quotation from the source
the source talks abut "declining immunity". This is far different from "weakened immune systems". People with declining immunity are common in an epidemic process, as everyone's immunity declines some time after the disease.
in the source, it is obvious for any readers that de Oliveira et al suggested a hypothesis. In the Wikipedia article, one might think (/misunderstand) they had suggested an action.

--Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:26, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

added to "declining immunity" vs "weakened immune systems" : The previous sentence in the world bank book is more about weak immune systems, but the link between the two world-bank-book-sentences remains a little unclear. Perhaps we should try to find de Oliveiras et al original text. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Himbeerbläuling:... please reword some if you can. I will go through again. Maybe Eftyhia Vardas should be created. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An article by top science-Journalist David Cyranoski

On 2021-01-15, David Cyranoski wrote an article for nature.com, praising Oliveiras efficient work with small budget and his sharing of data with COVID-19 Genomics UK Consortium's Andrew Rambaut: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00065-4 . Cyranoski says, the fast communications between Oliveira and Rambaut, especially Oliveira telling Rambaut about N501Y, made it possible to identify the alpha (Kent) variant early. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 21:41, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name written "De Oliveirade" in our article

Dear User:Philafrenzy, in the article the name is written twice in the spelling "De Oliveirade". These two came into the article by contributions of two different editors. I am not sure: Do You think it was a mistake, or is there a rule in English grammar that says this is correct? (I am a native speaker of German, far from perfect in English language.) Best regards --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 17:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is probably just a mistake and have fixed it. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bachelor Degree — from where ?

Hello User:Whispyhistory and User:Philafrenzy and you all! The two sources

name="sun" "News - Renowned bioinformatician joins forces with..." www.sun.ac.za. 20 July 2021. Archived from the original on 25 December 2021. Retrieved 24 December 2021.

and

name="Global" "Tulio de Oliveira | University of Washington - Department of Global Health". globalhealth.washington.edu. University of Washington. Archived from the original on 25 December 2021. Retrieved 24 December 2021. {{cite web}}: |archive-date= / |archive-url= timestamp mismatch; 21 December 2021 suggested (help)

disagree in the question from which university de Oliveira earned/received the bachelor's degree. The user Tuliodna, who probably is indeed Professor de Oliveira, changed it in the intro/lead paragraph to "De Oliveira studied first at the Federal University of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil and then moved to South Africa in 1997 where he completed his bachelor's, master's degree, … ", the bachelor subject was removed from the intro afterwards. Regarding the discrepancy between the sources, this is nearly well-sourced, but "nearly" is not the same as "certainly/positively/actually". The sentence about the bachelor degree in the early life section remained unchanged. How shall we behave? --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Himbeerbläuling:. They all appear correct... received BScs from both... [4]... If you want, you can elaborate on it or leave it until a secondary source is found. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Seems ok. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Selected Publications section removed

I don't think a Wikipedia article about an academic should have a "Selected Publications" section. The [Notability](Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)) guidelines don't mention it, and I believe it goes against general Wikipedia philosophy. This is not a CV.

A link to Google Scholar or personal webpage is more appropriate.