Talk:Tumpeng
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[edit]Please add WP:RS to make this a better article - thanks SatuSuro 13:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've added several references (Gunkarta (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)).
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Origin and Region
[edit]Tumpeng is undoubtly Javanese in origin as many references has stated that. In region section it is also nationwide in Indonesia but most prevalent in Java. The inclusion of Singapore as tumpeng's region is quite doubtful; User:Lee788 mentioned it as also popular in Singapore based on Singaporean Indochili restaurant advertisement that offering tumpeng as a celebratory dishes:Indochili – Nasi Tumpeng I mean come on, here in Jakarta we also have Japanese sushi restaurant that offering sushi set platter as celebratory dish, such as for birthday or something. But in this global world, it is common to have foreign restaurants in your city; so Jakarta, Indonesia definitely is not included in traditional region of sushi, neither Singapore as traditional region of tumpeng. Gunkarta talk 21:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing wrong with this statement. This statement provided with references talk. Come on, i did not say it is come from Singapore. But it also popular in Singapore. Let me asking you, it is wrong. — Preceding undated comment added 07:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- Please post response in good readable format (without spaces in front of your text) with four tilde (~) to sign your comment, read: WP:SIGHOW. Plus I think you miss my point; providing references did not automatically justify (although might help) your edits. Read: WP:REF, your source should be notable to. In this case your ref was a commercial/advertisement from an Indonesian restaurant "Indochili" based in Singapore. What I've highly doubt was yellow rice tumpeng really that prevalent and popular in Singapore? Remember, Singapore is a cosmopolitan international city, it is common for Singapore (or Jakarta and KL in this mater) to have international ethnics restaurants operating in their city, but that does not means the dish belongs to that city. Let me repeat my analogue I've post before: "here in Jakarta we also have Japanese sushi restaurant that offering sushi set platter as celebratory dish ( for birthdays etc.), but Jakarta in Indonesia definitely is not included in traditional region of sushi, although we have tons of sushi restaurants here in Jakarta. I hope you understand my points here. Gunkarta talk 09:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think it's same thing with other dish. I did not claimed it's Singapore origin, but it also only popular in Singapore. We also have tumpeng that served in Singapore. If you think that sushi popular in Indonesia, why not you put in bracket sushi also popular in Indonesia same with what have you done before to other country dish. I want to ask you, 'also popular' and 'origin from', is it different in meanings?. Ok, if you want me give some examples, see the article of satay. Are you brave to remove that statement 'other country that also popular with Satay'?? or, why not remove all of them and just keep only ' it's origin from Indonesia and popular in Indonesia' only. So, for me it's same case with satay. See also Empanada article. I think Spanish do not have problems with that. See others articles, it will open your eyes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee788 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Well, unlike you, I would not eagerly claim other nations' dishes, or adding "also popular in Indonesia" if it was not that popular in Indonesia after all (for the fact and notability sake). Since sushi popularity is world-wide today, why should a certain country being singled out? In satay and empanada case, some regions developed their own version or recipes which demonstrated shared similarity. Malaysia can mention their "satay kajang" variant to justify shared satay influences and popularity, although the reference pointed Java as its origin and Indonesia as home of largest variants of satay. Another example in Indonesia, Manado also have empanada version called panada but filled with skipjack tuna. In this tumpeng case you did not provide sufficient reference, only an advertisement from Indochili Indonesian restaurant in Singapore, that's it. No other notable news to justify the so called "tumpeng popularity" in Singapore. For what its worth, I think the problem with small city-state nation like Singapore is; all that being served in Singapore (despite their foreign origin) would quickly labelled as "Singapore dish" or "popular in Singapore". I just want to correct that somewhat misleading notions. Unless you provides another solid reference and evidence of tumpeng popularity in Singapore, I think we should remove "also popular in Singapore" sentence. Gunkarta talk 12:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- That's nice, but actually tumpeng did follow Indonesians (Javanese-Sundanese) migrations. Other than Singapore (and Malaysia, esp. Johor), it is no wonder that we might found tumpeng in the Netherlands or Suriname, made by Javanese community. The problem I've addressed was the infobox that add Singapore in country of origin or region section, which is not true, and poor citation only based upon an Indonesian restaurant website as ref. Current statement that mentioned it served in Singapore and the Netherlands is sufficient to describe its international popularity. Gunkarta talk 16:05, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Arggghhh. I send it before finish my writing. I have redo and my statement lost after conflict with your editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.139.220.23 (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Lee statement Before this,my statement, i did not claimed it's Singapore origin, but it also popular in Singapore. We also have tumpeng that served in Singapore. I added more source that show tumpeng is very popular in Singapore for a celebratory feast and Gunkarta statement You not provide some reliable evidence that Tumpeng is very popular in Singapore. Your statement from an advertisement from Indochili Indonesian restaurant in Singapore not prove it is very popular in Singapore. You need more source to prove your statement. Ok, for my opinion, Indonesia and Singapore are neighboring country. It might be tumpeng also popular in Singapore because of migrations. But Lee need to give more source that prove tumpeng is very popular and common dish in Singapore. However, what i doubt here, how dish called tumpeng do not served in Malaysia can be very popular in Singapore. Hope, you both stop war editing and respect each others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.139.220.23 (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Arggghhh. I send it before finish my writing. I have redo and my statement lost after conflict with your editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.139.220.23 (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- That's nice, but actually tumpeng did follow Indonesians (Javanese-Sundanese) migrations. Other than Singapore (and Malaysia, esp. Johor), it is no wonder that we might found tumpeng in the Netherlands or Suriname, made by Javanese community. The problem I've addressed was the infobox that add Singapore in country of origin or region section, which is not true, and poor citation only based upon an Indonesian restaurant website as ref. Current statement that mentioned it served in Singapore and the Netherlands is sufficient to describe its international popularity. Gunkarta talk 16:05, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Well, unlike you, I would not eagerly claim other nations' dishes, or adding "also popular in Indonesia" if it was not that popular in Indonesia after all (for the fact and notability sake). Since sushi popularity is world-wide today, why should a certain country being singled out? In satay and empanada case, some regions developed their own version or recipes which demonstrated shared similarity. Malaysia can mention their "satay kajang" variant to justify shared satay influences and popularity, although the reference pointed Java as its origin and Indonesia as home of largest variants of satay. Another example in Indonesia, Manado also have empanada version called panada but filled with skipjack tuna. In this tumpeng case you did not provide sufficient reference, only an advertisement from Indochili Indonesian restaurant in Singapore, that's it. No other notable news to justify the so called "tumpeng popularity" in Singapore. For what its worth, I think the problem with small city-state nation like Singapore is; all that being served in Singapore (despite their foreign origin) would quickly labelled as "Singapore dish" or "popular in Singapore". I just want to correct that somewhat misleading notions. Unless you provides another solid reference and evidence of tumpeng popularity in Singapore, I think we should remove "also popular in Singapore" sentence. Gunkarta talk 12:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- I think it's same thing with other dish. I did not claimed it's Singapore origin, but it also only popular in Singapore. We also have tumpeng that served in Singapore. If you think that sushi popular in Indonesia, why not you put in bracket sushi also popular in Indonesia same with what have you done before to other country dish. I want to ask you, 'also popular' and 'origin from', is it different in meanings?. Ok, if you want me give some examples, see the article of satay. Are you brave to remove that statement 'other country that also popular with Satay'?? or, why not remove all of them and just keep only ' it's origin from Indonesia and popular in Indonesia' only. So, for me it's same case with satay. See also Empanada article. I think Spanish do not have problems with that. See others articles, it will open your eyes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lee788 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Lee, instead to went on edit guerilla please try to discuss it here! being served in a single Indonesian restaurant "Indochili" does not made it automatically a Singaporean dish and including Singapore in the traditional region of tumpeng. Gunkarta talk 16:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- Before, it was popular. But today, i just put it as a dish that served in Singapore. So,i have changed it. Words 'popular' and 'served' are differents. Regardless, i put some source and not make the story.Lee788talk — Preceding undated comment added 17:03, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- Your recently added references are not notable and irrelevant, one is a dead link, one mention nothing about tumpeng (only chicken rice and nasi padang), and one link to commercial Indonesian restaurant website in Singapore that did not mention any soo called tumpeng popularity in Singapore. Most of them are commercial sites and not even news, journal, book or article. Please cite only trustworthy sources as references. So unfortunately your edits are — pardon my english — rubbish. Gunkarta talk 15:05, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Who carries on a legacy
[edit]From the article:
mungbean sprouts represent having ancestors to carry on a legacy
Should that say having descendants to carry on a legacy? If not, should it say carrying on the legacy of your ancestors? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:53, 21 September 2018 (UTC)