Talk:WWJ (AM)

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First commercial radio station

WWJ was not the first commercial radio station, I was tempted to change it in the article but I wanted to make sure we could come to a consensus on this first. Hholt01 11:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC) by the way you guessed it I'm from Pittsburgh.[reply]

Hello i really do appreciate wwj newsradio 950 am For all the work that they have done My favorite station all the time 9:50d AM Wonder how for some numbers of years 2601:406:4D03:9160:8CFF:D060:B4CF:24DB (talk) 05:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It all hinges on definitions. WWJ carried a regular schedule from Aug 20, 1920 to present. They were owned and operated by the Detroit News, and their broadcasts were basically sponsored by that company. KDKA apparently got the first license issued by the government specifically for commercial radiotelephone broadcasting. Apparently that licensing step was not a legal requirement in 1920? Or was WWJ (8MK at the time) a pirate broadcaster (HARRR!). Would the difference have been discernable by a listener? The 1922 history by WWJ says, incidentally, that the broadcasts from Aug 20 to Aug 30, 1920 were experimental and unannounced, and in 1922 they said (p8) "It was Aug 31, then, which marked the beginning of radiotelephone broadcasting by the press as a public service." On that evening, they had broadcast primary election returns in a publicized broadcast. Thereafter they broadcast phonograph music supplemented by speakers and singers at 11:30 am and 7 p.m daily, and broadcast results of the World Series baseball contest in October, 1920. Edison 16:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, on further research, it appears that in 1920 WWJ was broadcasting on a purely amateur status with 200 m wavelength assigned to amateursm, and with amateur callsign 8MK. Several others had broadcast news and entertainment with amateur licenses and callsigns on amateur frequencies. KDKA obtained a commercial license in October of 1920 and has broadcast since November of 1920. The 1922 book by WWJ was a bit aggresive in its claims. KDKA gets the nod as the first commercial AM station, although the difference would not have been apparent to the listeners in terms of the programming schedule. Curiously, the 1922 book by WWJ says that under an amateur license, they were not allowed to broadcast outside their own state, but their 300 watt DeForest transmitter with its claimed 100 mile range went outside Michigan.Edison 23:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's safe to say that Marie Osborne is not the same as "Baby Marie" Osborne. -- 65.61.124.133 02:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

WWJ (AM) → WWJ — WWJ is the official callsign of the station, and the disambig currently consists of only WWJ and WWJ-TV (both official FCC callsigns). A disambig can be just as easily be accomplised by the use of the For template at the top of the main article." JPG-GR 05:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This move was executed on 12 April 2007. JPG-GR 18:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

WWJ (AM) → WWJ — WWJ (AM radio) was recently moved from WWJ (AM) to WWJ as that is the official callsign. A dab link was put at the top of the article proper to redirect people looking for WWJ-TV (official callsign). This move has recently been reversed... however, WWJ is now merely a redirect. If WWJ is merely going to be a redirect and not a dab page, there is no reason for WWJ (AM radio) NOT to be located at WWJ. JPG-GR 18:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this is not a vote; comments must include reasons to carry weight.

Support as nominator. JPG-GR 18:57, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I reverted back to WWJ (AM), as 1) the FCC recongizes this; and 2) other Wikipedia articles on AM stations whose call letters are shared by other stations are similarly titled -- e.g.: WCBS (AM), WABC (AM), WLS (AM), KYW (AM), KCBS (AM), etc. Rollosmokes 05:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose. I would support this if there were no other articles that could be referred to as WWJ. But WWJ-TV is similar enough that someone would search for it using WWJ only, so the (AM) on this article helps disambiguate between the two. –Pomte 01:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Suppport~~ With a redirect to this article at WWJ, I don't see a real argument to not have this article there. If that were a dab page, that'd be different.
- Well it was a dab before that was deleted and replaced with the redirect. I decided to restore the deleted edits so everyone could see the history of what was there before the redirect and I also replaced the redirect with the dab page that existed just prior to the deletion. Vegaswikian 22:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There are more then the two broadcast stations that use WWJ. Vegaswikian 22:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose My one concern was met, so I'm changing my vote. Darquis 23:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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The FCC "recognizing" something is different from the "official" callsign. And, as for the WP-precedent, I could come up with just as many examples or articles that -don't- follow the rule you've stated. JPG-GR 06:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the end, it doesn't make any difference, as long as WWJ is turned into a dab and not a redirect. As a redirect, there's no logical argument against my position. JPG-GR 10:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

WWJ (disambiguation) has been renamed WWJ as the result of a move request; one of the two had to go there, and the consensus was in favour of the dab. page getting priority. --Stemonitis 11:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC) --Stemonitis 11:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot 19:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find fault with two claims on the page, but I currently lack the references to justify editing the WWJ page itself.

One, the station cannot be heard in "all of Lower Michigan" at night - even parts of Monroe County, where the transmitter site itself is found, have a very poor signal from WWJ at night, because of the Houston null. The pattern is also weak to the west, so nighttime reception is poor anywhere south and west of a line from roughly Erie to Ludington. Other stations, especially the one in Chicago, cause significant interference in northern MI west of about I-75

Two, the station remained in a full-service/variety format, with music, for a few years after 1971, though it was very heavy with talk, and carried Michigan Wolverines football, some music remained until the station went all-news (This was 1977 or 1978, if I recall correctly) 313 TUxedo (talk) 05:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the mention of WWJ having to protect the extinct CKBB, Barrie, Ontario. The NARBA treaty provides for a country to demand that a frequency that their government had allocated to be protected in perpetuity, under the theory that someone may want to revive the use of the frequency, no matter how unlikely that may be. WWJ would only be able to improve their signal to the northeast when and if Canada agrees to delete the allocation of 950kHz to Barrie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 313 TUxedo (talk • contribs) 01:42, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]