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Back catalogue image

Is the image BackCatalog.jpg necessary? It looks ugly and doesn't really help illustrate the topic much. Plus, the caption "With the Virtual Console you could play games from..." (emphasis mine) seems like a rather too informal tone. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 19:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree and I've removed the image. jaco♫plane 19:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It got re-added in. Perhaps we can have a discussion here as to why it should or shouldn't be in the article rather than a revert war? I'll weigh in with my two cents: 1) I don't find that it's terribly aesthetically appealing (it clashes heavily with the other images in the article in terms of style), and 2) there's no info in there that can't be just as easily explained in the text itself. g026r 23:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Plus one further point: the logos used are also rather locale specific. For example: the Genesis had a different name and logo outside of North America. An argument could be made that it was called the Genesis during the announcement only because the announcement was being made at a N. American event (GDC), but that the name Mega Drive is just as appropriate to use, given that it has roughly as wide a usage as the name Genesis (3,300,000 results for "Sega Megadrive" OR "Sega Mega Drive" vs. 3,360,000 for "Sega Genesis") and it was sold as such in a wider range of countries. g026r 23:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't add anything, and the jumble of logos is small and barely readable. A simple image of a NES/Famicom or some other easily recognizable retro pic would do far better. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 02:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've gone and switched it. If the original submitter wishes to revert it again, it would be nice if they consulted the talk page first. (Edit: By keeping some image there, I hoped to avoid a revert war, though) -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 02:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks fine by me. Now, how about a discusion on the Controller section? To me it's getting extremely cluttered, what with having images that extend down the right-side farther than the text itself when using my browsing settings. (I can't say how it looks to anyone else.) Perhaps a cleanup of some sort should be attempted, with the other images moved into the gallery? g026r 04:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I readded the Back catalogue pickture b/c it repusentd it better then just a picture of the Snes. I will try to find high res logos and make a pickture myself... or some one else my do it. If so please tell me first befor I make thie picture.--DivineShadow218 04:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Why does it even need a picture? It doesn't do a lot except distract. Find a press release photo of the virtual console instead of that mess. GameJunkieJim 05:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

CAN we even use that image? It seems like a bunch of individuals parts of "fair use" images placed into a single image. Wiki doesn't allow us to modify fair use images, only free ones that we use... Daniel Davis 05:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I dunno what the legal aspect of that is, especially regarding fan made images. The individual parts of the image are still intellectual property of the game companies, but the object on the whole is a new image, and there the copyright for the particular image belongs to the artist, however, I don't think that grants use rights. GameJunkieJim 05:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Personal opinions:

1. The image has no license.

2. I don't think it qualifies as free image, since even when someone did it, you don't own the rights to modify the logos. So, it is a fair use image.

3. Fair use images can't be used just for decorative purposes according to the eight Fair use policy point. The image is being used to decorate the article.

As I said, personal opinion. ReyBrujo 05:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Why not kill two birds with one stone and move the image of the classic controller to the virtual console, removing both clutter and the ugly montage? By the way, could something be done about image:Wii_Remote_Functions.JPG to make it smaller? Perhaps split it from a 1 x 4 grid to a 2x2 grid. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 08:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that's what the original edit that removed the logo-composite did, but then it got reverted. g026r 08:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and as for a 2x2 version: you mean comme ceci? (Where's the original from, anyways. There's no source information on it; I merely copied the licensing information from the original, but I'm not sure if that's the tag it should have.) g026r 09:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, found the source. Why was this placed under no rights reserved when it clearly should be tagged {{promotional}}? g026r 09:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've IFD'd the image (wasn't sure it met the criteria for a speedy delete, but it's close), and replaced it with the Classic Controller. The user will be beyond their revert limit if they change it again, and hopefully the image will get nixed by the IFDs. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 19:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Found New Specs?

[[1]]

Could this be accurate? More powerful than IGN has said. . . Infinitys 7th 23:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I say dont add anything that isnt confermed by Nintendo.--DivineShadow218 00:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The stuff that the article got from Nintendo's website is already in this article [2]. The stuff about the speed isn't necessarily about the Wii's CPU itself, but rather about the specific family of CPUs. Therefore, while 1.1GHz is what IBM currently says that the 750GX can run at [3], it doesn't mean that's the speed that the Broadway CPU itself will use. g026r 00:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Where did the large Wii image come from?

It links to a page within Nintendo's Wii site, but I can't locate this large image or any others there. I'm curious. 24.76.102.140 00:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

There are a number of large images on the article now, for the controller and such. These originate from the E3 Wii press kit, which is available at several places, among them here. --Interiot 18:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Name: Wii Kanji?

"'Wii' is also a seldom-used Japanese kanji, roughly translated as "constant change", or "if you don't like the fate that god has set out for you, you do this", or just "revolution"."

I've never heard this before. I'm going to delete it until somebody can get a cite for it. If true, that's neat and I'm surprised Nintendo didn't mention it. But I doubt its validity since Nintendo never writes Wii in anything but romanji. dojotony 01:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you had best kill it - "wi" isn't even a kana anymore in modern Japanese, and I would be very surprised to hear there is a Kanji matching this description in anything like 'seldom use'. - 219.165.164.126 01:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"Wi" can still be found on signs in Japan. It is just uncommon. There are many kana that do not show up regularly in the West. - Kuzain 16:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully it will show: ゐ - Kuzain 16:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but it's a moot point, as it's not what's under debate. "Wii" is. Ladlergo 16:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"Wii" isn't found even in classical Japanese dictionaries. Delete if it comes up again. Ladlergo 02:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Excess of Fair Use images on this page

There are a LOT that have been recently placed here; no less than three of just the system itself, and the licensing behind several of them seems to be questionable. Would recommend paring it down a little bit- and honestly after today the article needs some real cleanup work done to it. It's all... pieced apart. Daniel Davis 07:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The Launch Titles...

I found information in regards the supposle launch titles Super Smash Bros. Wii and Metroid Prime: Corruption. In the information it says that both titles will launch sometime in 2007 and for both games they have confirm that. I didn't want to change it because i don't know if all the information change or they haven't said it yet, since E3 still going on. But I think the articles are not fake. Here they are, the first one is about Super Smash Bros. Wii: http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=6334 However for those that don't want to check the link, here it is what it says about that game: "...and Super Smash Bros. has been confirmed (again) for 2007."

The other about Metroid Prime has not been confirm so to say it is a launch title its just a thought, wish and hope. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darthrare (talk • contribs) .

Smash Bros can be removed from the launch lineup. IGN says it won't be out until 2007. Ladlergo 02:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

price

One of the snippets of information in 'price' was wrong so I removed it. I also readded some of the old info to give some 'guidance'. This section probably needs looking at - is it ok?HappyVR 17:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

What was the incorrect info? I don't consider EGM's $250 to be any more or less accurate than Sega's $200. Both are, after all, estimates made by people outside Nintendo. Ladlergo 18:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes - I'd would suggest removing Sega's estimate as well. My reason for removing the original EGM bit was that the article gave the impression that it was a 'nintendo quote'HappyVR 18:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've commented out but not removed sega's price quote. I've also commented out what I assume is speculation about free games for pre-orderers...HappyVR 18:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Removing both is probably the way to go. I suggest a mention of rumors setting the price at $200-250 with reference links to EGM and Sega. Ladlergo 18:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Really both are speculation - at present - I wouldn't suggest re adding the 'Rumour an Speculation' section though, but if people want this sort of thing that's what I think should be done. Also we already have the price limit which should prove good unless something happens.HappyVR 18:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Wii internet

Suggest moving "At E3 2006, Nintendo announced WiiConnect24. The console can be connected 24/7, but will not consume more power than a small lightbulb, allowing developers to download updates onto consoles even "while you are sleeping." " to it's own subsection entitled obviously "WiiConnect24" - a section that might say something like this:

At E3 2006, Nintendo announced WiiConnect24. This is Nintendo's online service for Wii and is distinct from the Nintendo Wifi connection. At present no further details are available but it is known that the Wii can be left connected 24 hours a day to allow downloads or messages to be received even "while you are sleeping."

Curiously the nintendo website says 'Wii can connect to the internet even when the power is turned off" ! I assume this means in standby mode - not unplugged?

Any comments?HappyVR 18:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

From what I remember, they meant that it would be connected in standby mode. It is a somewhat odd phrase, though. Ladlergo 18:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

E3 conference

Are there any video feeds of the conference freely available on the 'web' yet - if so suggest adding a link to the references at the bottom.HappyVR 18:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Gamespot has downloadable Low-rez vids availiable. You have to be a member of the site, but it's free. GameJunkieJim 20:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes great - have you got the web address (bangs head! I've seen this but haven't been able to find it again).Thanks HappyVR 20:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

o.k. thanks I found it again - http://uk.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?event=e32006&sid=6149663 followed by a click to view... Should there be a link somewhere?HappyVR 20:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Shell

It seems fairly certain that the 'classic controller' has replaced the previously mentioned 'shell' - no mention of shell at e3? - if so suggest cutting the shell info for good.HappyVR 18:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the "classic controller" is now how they're referring to the traditional controller shell that Nintendo said would be made available. Ladlergo 19:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

While more information really needs to be made available to tell for sure, I can't say that I feel that the classic controller looks like a shell. To me it really looks more like a stand-alone controller. (Why have it wired, if it was going to contain the remote?) g026r 19:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

If it were wired, the wire would come out of the top. I suspect that it's being held up by a white wire stand. Ladlergo 19:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

But if you look at the larger versions of the picture, it does appear that the wire comes out the top, and is merely positioned such that it hangs behind and below. However, I'm fine with leaving seperate information about the controller shell in until E3 is over, as we shall likely know for certain one way or another at that point. g026r 19:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I read somewhere (lost/forgotten) that the classic actually plugs into the Wii controller for some reason - and not the game cube ports...HappyVR 20:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

What you think is a wire, I see as part of how the controller is held up. I keep on hitting reload in the hope that IGn will put up more information. Ladlergo 20:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Why would they even show the stand, though? After all, they produced plenty of promotional shots with the items floating in mid-air. Image:Wii remote5view 0501.jpg for example. (However, I feel that we are likely getting off the talk page's acctual topic -- how to improve the article itself -- at this moment.) g026r 21:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the official press release photos (from the link in the article) http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9449 you will see that the wire does indeed come out of the top and is bent down and behind the controller in the photo.HappyVR 21:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

IGN has taken a photo of the shell, but I still can't figure out what's going on with it: http://media.revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707362/img_3593250.html Ladlergo 00:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I suspect the classic controller will be for the virtual console, it has enough buttons to mplay all of the games and N64 games would probably work nice on it.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 02:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

IGN confirms that it's for the Virtual Console. They also say that the cord goes into the remote, not the console. That matches the setup found in one of their pictures. Ladlergo 02:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It's apparent just from looking at the lightgun accessory that it's a shell - the "barrel" of the gun is a case for the remote control. so even if the classic controller isn't a "shell" as such, Nintendo is still using the concept. --67.62.109.178 20:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Colours

According to the press releases on the Nintendo Wii media site, the colours of the Wii are yet to be confirmed. I'm going to add this to the article pending announcement of the colours. 81.153.150.118 19:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes - changed the wording a bit though.HappyVR 21:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Duck Hunt

When/where do we add Duck Hunt? IGN says it's coming and the gun shell has already been revealed, making it a rather obvious game to have, but there hasn't been any media shown. http://revolution.ign.com/articles/706/706955p1.html Ladlergo 19:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's on the List of Wii games already, and has been mentioned by many game sites. LuminousSpecter 19:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I was more wondering if it might get put under "Key first-party titles" at some point. (As a side note, I believe "key" isn't objective unless Nintendo refers to a title specifically in that fashion.) Ladlergo 19:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Controller speaker sound

Sorry to be a pain but is this true (commented out by me in article)

• • Realtime Bluetooth audio streaming to up to 4 Wii Remotes via internal speakers.

I'm dubious about the realtime streaming bit - it's possible that 'samples' are stored on the remote prior to use - can the remotes speaker actually stream audio in real time?HappyVR 20:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

not if the controller had internal memory and was able to download now sounds from the web.--DivineShadow218 03:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but they don't use BlueTooth. It's either Wi-Fi or most likely RF. Nintendo said nothing about Bluetooth ever. -- Chris Ccool2ax 20:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=854744 Broadcom themselves say the controller uses Bluetooth in this press release. --Smoke 02:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they have. Quite a few times over the years. I re-added the citations of both Nintendo's Japanese and American sites that say that the controllers use Bluetooth. Dancter 03:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Nthing the BlueTooth. Nintendo even mentions it on their webpage. Ladlergo 03:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Launch titles

Don't get the current emphasis on first party titles in the launch titles section - surely other titles should be included - such as

• Dragon Quest Swords

which was recently removed.HappyVR 20:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I suggest all launch titles be listed and scrap the first-party requirement, but then we need to decide on what's considered a launch title. Same day? Same week? Same month? Ladlergo 21:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think so - maybe List of Wii games could have notation to distinguish confirmed launch titles - as it is (I made quite a big edit) I've put all together (with the assumption that most mentioned by now should be ready by the launch or soon after.)
Maybe someone else will want to separate them into definate launch titles and not definate.HappyVR 21:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we should list all titles that will be released within the first week. All other games currently listed on this page should be removed; if people want to know more, they can consult the master list. Ladlergo

I tend to agree that only launch titles should be listed or possibly include major franchises.HappyVR 23:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to push for launch titles (defined as first week) only, as franchises are assumed to be on every console by the company. Anyone else have an opinion? Ladlergo 02:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I've trimmed this section to launch titles only. Any opinions on "launch window" titles? (There's one or two more that have been described this way.) Additional games will be added as official information appears. Ladlergo 15:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

No objection to anything to be release not long after the console is.. as the list may get long I would consider using a 'random' selection of titles for the sake of fairness and to avoid any arguments as to what is and is not an important title.HappyVR 18:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think we should make a clear cut-off. Say, same week as the system release, and certainly no more than two weeks after release. I suspect that if we extend it any longer than that, the list will become unmanageable. I prefer a shorter, complete list over one that has its content pulled out of a larger set. Ladlergo 19:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't add anything unless it is confirmed; if you haven't given a link to the information, and I can't find it on IGN or any other reputable sites, I'll delete it. Ladlergo 19:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Trauma Center: Second Opinion is going to probably going to be at launch [4] --DivineShadow218 18:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Ladlergo 18:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

split it up?

why not make a seperate artical about the wii-mote and the original controller and keep this artical about the wii itself?

I don't know, the wii-mote is pretty much crucial to the console itself. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 21:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Considering there's so much info for the wiimote and it's getting quite a lot of attachments, it'd be a better idea for it to have its own article as well Oh.cera

Can I get opinions on my re-arrangement of the pictures in use for that section? There's a link to it on the talk page. (I'm making a post here, so as to get some attention, since I don't think most people are looking at that other page yet.) g026r 01:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

accelerometer

The following discussion has been moved to Talk:Wii Remote. Dancter 21:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I had to remove this:
" An accelerometer sensor from Analog Devices in the Wii Remote itself allow it to sense rotational and translational movement along all three axes, providing a full six degrees of freedom with just the Remote."

There is no doubt (now) that there is this device in the remote - but the text is still wrong - an accelerometer (probably) does not sense rotation etc - the accelerometer may be only one of a number of devices in the remote giving positional information. It's more likely that the accelerometer is the only active device in the analog stick, but there is more to the pointer/controller. Hope I'm not wrong 'cos doing this will make me look stupid...HappyVR 21:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Note also the 'sensor bar' - probably not necessary for just a accelerometer controlled controller.HappyVR 21:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, accelerometers sense rotation better than they do translation. If the vector magnitude that the three-axis accelerometer senses is 9.8m/s², then the controller knows the absolute direction of gravity, and therefore knows exactly how it's tilted. On the other hand, if it senses more or less than 9.8m/s², then it knows the player is accelerating it in some direction, and it may try to sum up the distance that it thinks it's travelled, but still, for translation movements, it can only sense relative (not absolute) position. --Interiot 01:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a direct quote from Sony's press conference, it describes PS3's controller.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 02:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

C'mon, I'm not that good, especially when it comes to technical writing. I was just trying to keep it from sounding like mumbo-jumbo by relating the technical aspects to what the reader was already familiar with (eg. holding the controller and tilting it). --Interiot 02:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what you two are on about - but I don't recommend 'cut and paste' editing if you don't understand what you're doing.HappyVR 06:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

This makes a lot of sense, Interiot, but I'm still a little confused. How would a three-axis linear accelerometer distinguish yaw? I don't think you said that it did, but is it wrong to assume there is another sensor in the remote? Perhaps another accelerometer off-center? I thought that perhaps the sensor bar could account for that last part, but when you're holding the Remote gamepad-style, your left hand is covering the IR(?) window. And the videos on Nintendo's Wii page seem to indicate that yaw can still be detected. Any ideas? Dancter 16:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd assume that the sensor bar has something to do with detecting yaw - can't answer your question about ir windows - perhaps it uses radio/microwaves? - I definately assume that there is more than just an accelerometer in the remote - otherwise there would be no need for the sensor bar - one previous suggestion has been ultrasound (see pre e3 Wii page in rumour section for an arstechnica.com article) - a simple pendulum would detect 2 rotation degrees of freedom - and I guess the sensor bar gets the third.HappyVR 17:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I was assuming that the sensor bar is IR-based, which is why there'd be that opaque window at the top of the remote. (Unless it's just there so you can use it as universal remote. You know, change the channel, program your VCR...that kind of stuff.) If it is IR-based, then there would need to be a clear line of sight between that window and the both of the sensors at the end of the sensor bar, which would need to be long so the sensors could be spread apart, making it easier to accurately triangulate a position. (There's no real confirmation of any of this, but it's the best explanation I can come up with.) But in those videos I mentioned[5], there is footage in there of a guy still utilizing the yaw function (arguably) even with the window covered. Dancter 18:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the + and - buttons on the Remote would seem to corroborate the idea that Wii Remote does have an IR transmitter. This, the power button on the Remote, the opaque window at the top…this would seem to support just the universal remote idea, except for the fact that there is the same opaque plastic on the front of the sensor bar[6]. It's all speculation right now, but still… Dancter 20:33, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Interiot is right, a three-axis linear accelerometer can determine tilt. To my best understanding, this gives you up to five degrees of freedom (I could be wrong, though). But I still can't account for yaw. So, yeah. Still some unanswered questions. But I'm betting there's at least one other sensor in the Remote. And though it doesn't need be, I'm betting it's based on that Gyration technology Nintendo invested in all those years ago. I'd imagine that a gyro-based rotation sensor would be more responsive, more accurate, and more resistant to vibrational disruption than an accelerometer-based one. (Though I have absolutely nothing to back that up. Just my thoughts.) The postition-sensing sensor bar would be the final piece to give the Remote pixel-point accuracy. Dancter 18:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, would it be wrong to move this thread to the Talk:Wii Remote page? I imagine this all would be more useful over there. If so, what's protocol for this? Just cut it from here and paste it over there? Make a copy over there?

Simple - copy and paste this discussion to over there and then don't forget to leave a note like this

Discussion continued on Talk:Wii Remote

so that nobody gets lost in the move! (don't cut - copy)HappyVR 20:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, then. To make it official…

Discussion continued on Talk:Wii Remote Dancter 21:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

citation for bioware

http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060329/sheffield_01.shtml doesn't say anything solid but is positive - is this the source of the rumour?HappyVR 23:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Roboto?

Who is Mr. Roboto? I don't think that is actually the president of Nintendo's name. Someone find out what it is and change it please.Gopherbassist 00:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It was just a vandal attempting to be humorous. I reverted his/her edits. Please, when you see trivial items such as that within the article, simply revert it. Just compare it with the previous one, this individual in particular put innappropriate words in his edit, clearly indicating his ill will toward the article.--Theelectricchild 00:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

有り難う --Interiot 01:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Controller Section

I greatly shortened the Controller section, since it was identical to the main article for the the controller. This was reduntant, and the controller is notable enough and has enough information to have its own page. 66.87.91.36 00:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's maybe a little too short now - but it was getting a bit big. Thanks. However the distance of operation is questionable (see remote main page talk) and the text needs a bit of rewriting now..HappyVR 06:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

This is article is out of controll.

Lock it up again. ~Captain

I really don't think that should be done during E3. It's not that bad, there's just the occasional arguement and vandalism, as with most popular pages. It'll simmer down. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Why? There's new information constantly coming out. Ladlergo 04:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

you cant stop people from editing, if it needs to be cleaned up then do a part to... its not that hard.--DivineShadow218 04:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Design and Format of the Page

I would just like to make a suggestion. Since we are getting more and more information about the games atleast that we adopt the format of the Gamecube article. I am just wondering why the games section is all the way down below the Parentl controls... let alone the features. I suggest we move the games section up above the hardware and thats all we move. Then we could add a grid of launch titles, and move the screenshots below that. Just look at the Gamecube article to see what I am talking about. Thanks for listening.--DivineShadow218 03:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's certainly a possibility, although right now there's going to be a few holes. I do disagree with the GC's position of launch titles, though. Ladlergo 04:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

so do I... in this article the launch titles should be in the games section... of course--DivineShadow218 04:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Really think the table for launch titles with columns for developer and publisher is too much - surely all that is needed is the list of games - they're all linked anyway. Also not sure yet about the move of games upwards - could't features take a more prominent postion for similar reasons - personally I thought it was in the right order before.HappyVR 17:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

However if you 'insist' on having games first - I suggest this order - name,games,features,hardware,price,the rest.. any good?HappyVR 17:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Gameboy

If Wii will have the Virtual Console which will play the FC(NES) SFC(SNES) N64.. will they release something simliar to the Gamecube Gameboy Player?

I am olny speculating here... maybe the will release something that attaches to one of the USB ports... or maybe have something on the virtual console, both are possible but nothing has been mentioned--DivineShadow218 04:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

References

The reference section is just huge, i think that if there are other articles the link to this page, such as the Wii remote and Wiiconnect24, there should be little referances from thouse sections in tehe wii article... if there are new referances, add them to the correct article. the references for this article should mostle be for the Wii itself. --DivineShadow218 16:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not as bad as it was pre E3 2006 - there were over 40 - now there's less than 20 - count on me to try to keep references to a minimum.HappyVR 18:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with having several references though, so long as the text citing them is still in the article and hasn't been branched off to another one. Having references is one of the things Wikipedia is trying to encourage lately, since it increases the trustworthyness of the articles (especially important with all this media criticism) and allows users to check sources for themselves. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 20:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

After e3 I dont think we would have to referance every single little thing. but once the nintendo wii site updates we can cut back the referances and just keep the site in the external links. --DivineShadow218 04:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Red Steel is a launch title

The director of Ubisoft France said it in Nintendo's press conference at E3... plus Wii Sports will also be a launch title...

And Call of Duty 3 is confirmed as a launch title?

I checked two different live updates from the press conference and found them. Thanks.

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705624p1.html Here's Activision's list of launch titles. Ladlergo 16:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

WiiConnect24

Added WiiConnect24 subsection and moved some stuff to it. Please feel free to add to this now etc.HappyVR 17:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Games

This section is getting a bit wooly: The comment in the text says '10 launch titles' but at E3 weren't 27 launch titles specifically mentioned.

Key first party titles - ok - a reasonable assumption - but they don't sort of exist as yet - so 'Some of the more popular first-party titles include:' doesn't make much sense to me - how are they 'popular'?

Key third party titles - why these three (and only three)? There were others..

I'm really dubious as to the value of splitting all this up into different sections - can anyone give a view.?HappyVR 17:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed all "Key titles" from the list. I'm going to fix the Developer/Publisher table later.

It's 10 launch titles, AFAIK. 27 is the number of playable games at E3 (though as IGN pointed out, "games" isn't always the right word). Ladlergo 18:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

What does AFAIK mean? Also I was think the original order was better - intro,hardware,middleware,software,misc. - especially for an encyclopediaic article - just jumping strait in with 'launch titles' doesn't make sense to me interms of an encyclopia article - suggest reverting to the original order?HappyVR 18:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

"As far as I know." I think I also like the original order better. I'm not sure how I feel about the "Price" section, though. Once the price is set, we should probably collapse it into the introduction. Ladlergo 18:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

there was no mention of any # of launch titles at E3... but there was mention of 20 in some news articles. --DivineShadow218 18:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Miyamoto or Iwata (I don't remember) said 10 games on launch (more within the "launch window", however that's defined). I found it at some point earlier today, but with all the pages I've been digging through, it might take a bit. Ladlergo 18:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and 10 is the number of games I've been able to find that are slated for launch day. If any more come up, then we'll know that isn't the right number. Ladlergo 18:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2006-05-11T144010Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-248726-1.xml&archived=False Here's the quote: "Iwata also said more than 10 software titles will be available in time for the launch." Ladlergo 19:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

27 is the number of playable titles on the E3 show floor. Many of these aren't even full games, but are simply tech demos. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 18:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

OK that's where I got the 27 number from - sorry.HappyVR 18:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, 'price' could go towards the end. (eventually it should dissapear). Also re - price Nintendo 'big-wigs', can't remember which have been quoted recently as confirming that the price shouldn't be much more or about the same as previous nintendo consoles - a simple google news search turns this up. In the same report the same guy says to expect price info in the summer. Just found it again it was Iwata http://palgn.com.au/article.php?title=E3+2006%3A+Iwata+comments+on+Wii+price&id=4565&sid=0f6f2a2d4b715bbedad8327be476d60aHappyVR 18:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

here is a quote from that link 'Iwata also said more than 10 software titles will be available in time for the launch of its upcoming game console, Wii.' DivineShadow218 21:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Problems with searching

searching for "Wii" or "Nintendo Wii" shows no results. "Revolution", however, works fine. Any hope of correcting that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.31.142.164 (talk • contribs) .

I have no problem finding this when I do a search for "Wii." Ladlergo 18:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

name

I made a change to the comment about the new name - I don't think 'wide criticism' is entirely accurate - more a combination of - why, Oh well, Great, No and 'time for some cheap jokes' - hence the change to the text.HappyVR 19:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:Also, I've noticed there seems to be a lot of wheel warring about the pronounciation. I've changed it so that it says the console is pronounced like "we", just like how it's used in the official press release. Others have changed it to "wee" or to say "we" and "wee". I don't understand the reasoning behind the other two versions, with the first being weasel wording and the second just being redundant since they're both pronounced exactly the same. Anyone making these changes want to explain? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC) (I hope you don't mind, I've moved the text above to the section "Pronuncation discussion: 'Wee' vs 'We' etc.", let's try to resolve it all there. - 81.182.142.141 12:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

Launch titles

Could we just have a list of launch titles without the developer and publisher info - I can't see much relevence to this article and don't think that data is needed here?HappyVR 19:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it was added, and all of the information can be grabbed from the pages for each game. Ladlergo 19:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed the 'visual fat' - apologies to those who made the table.HappyVR 19:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

removal

Removed this

• A company that has mentioned being interested in the Wii is Bioware.

Not untrue - but a present not really enough info on what if anything this will lead to.HappyVR 20:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Good?

I have a feeling that the article is in good condition - now - "20:15, 11 May 2006 TheKoG (→Launch titles - How many times do we have to go over this?)" - maybe could be a good article candidate? if it were stableHappyVR 20:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Heh, yeah apparently some people haven't gotten the word that Brawl is no longer a launch title. Other than that the article is looking very good. Personally I'd wait until Saturday to nominate it, just in case Nintendo makes any more surprise announcements during E3 (like with Brawl). After that the article should (hopefully) be stable for a good while. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 20:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I thank User:Ladlergo as well - he/she/it has done some good 'tricky grammar' work.HappyVR 20:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Ladlergo 20:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

After the news has died down, I say go over this and remove the rest of the speculation, add some more details (whatever's known about the accelerometer etc), -then- nominate it. Ladlergo 20:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

yea... lets just wait till after e3 and see what we can clean up. --DivineShadow218 04:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

removal - wiconnect

Had to remove this:

Many people are exited by this online connectivity, especially with games such as Super Smash Bros. Brawl, considering the massive emphasis on multiplayer, as well as the possibility of downloads for new features (Although this is completely unconfirmed, many people still like the idea and hope it will happen).

It just doesn't fit in an encyclopedia article - sorry - maybe a considerable rewrite would make it suitable - the Wiiconnect section is definately a bit short at the moment - don't know.HappyVR 20:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Wii?

Why is it that this article and several others refer to the console only as Wii rather than Nintendo Wii? I understand that the name Nintendo is not an actual part of the name, but it seems inconsistent when so many references to other systems use terms like "Microsoft Xbox 360" or "Sony Playstation 3". The page about 7th-gen consoles is particularly guilty of this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodeosmurf (talk • contribs) .

Actually, calling the consoles Sony Playstation or Microsoft Xbox is considered non-standard (see articles on Metal Gear Solid and Halo: Combat Evolved respectively for examples). smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 21:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I guess I should have posted my comments on the 7th-gen page in the first place. Even if it's not standard to say Nintendo Wii when referring to the console in general, the section of the page which shows photos of each console would benefit from referring to the system as 'Nintendo's Wii'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodeosmurf (talk • contribs) .

Suggest reading previous discussions on this talk page and possibly the archives concerning this matter.HappyVR 06:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

When referring to gaming, I don't think anyone is going to be confused by just calling it "Wii" or "The Wii"; anyone who needs to know who it is by can read the article. However, having statements throughout Wiki referring to "Nintendo's Wii" is bound to elicit more than a few snickers... Daniel Davis 06:59, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Internal addon for movie playback

Calling it a "dongle" is misleading. Dongles (under the original definition) do not add functionality, they simply unlock existing functionality. It seems likely that the attachment is actually to mpeg decoder chip. This is the part of a dvd player that most of the licencing fees are attached to. So to avoid having all customers pay this fee, inculding those who have no intention of using the Wii as a DVD player, the obvious solution is to have the decoder chip be part of this add-on. Tacvek 22:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm in agreement there, it is a tad bit misleading. Why not just omit the statment about the dongle, making it "additionally, at E3 2005, Nintendo revealed that a small internal attachment to be sold as an add-on to the console will allow the Wii to playback DVD movies"?Super_Genus 21:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I also agree...--DivineShadow218 04:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed 'dongle'HappyVR 06:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Article Split?

When E3 ends, I propose that we create a seperate article for the Nintendo Revolution, which would be dedicated to what was known prior to this year's E3, with a link to this article as a caption along the lines of "This article deals with information known about prior to E3. For current information on Nintendo's next-generation console, please see Wii This would clear up all these unsightly rumors and speculations, which take away from the encyclopediac tone. Perhaps now wii (har) can start a "Wii Rumors" article.The benefits would be obvious. Super_Genus 21:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps...--DivineShadow218 04:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you are speaking about the same product, and you will be keeping an article with outdated information, rumours and speculation and another with the current product. You can create a section in a "History" section adding all what has been known before Wii, but having two articles for the same product is not likely to work. -- ReyBrujo 06:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I vehemently disagree with this idea and am opposed to keeping around rumors and speculation about products/material that has already been released and confirmed to be untrue or whatever. If it is in some capacity notable (which I can assure you most of what you're talking about isn't), then make a note of it here. Otherwise, delete and revise. K1Bond007 06:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I also disagree. The pre-Wii contents are preserved in the article history if anyone wants to read them anyway. Optichan 16:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Pronuncation discussion: "Wee" vs "We" etc.

Ok people, as we obviously can't work it out on the article page, let's talk about it here. Do you think that we should keep it (and where?) or remove it? As this is supposed to be a discussion, please state a reason for your position. Ladlergo 02:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Remove it... any one that can read knows it sounds like Wee... if you cant read, What Are You Doing Here?!?!?!?--DivineShadow218 04:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I could suggest changing the text just to read 'pronounced like 'wee' - using the example of fed vs. feed - maybe this is why someone else keeps changing this bit?

It's pronounced "We" not "Wee", so in essence it's a factual error to keep it there. Also, I would like to remove "..Wii sounds exactly like the English word "wee", which usually means urine. [6]" from the article aswell, seeing as there is no word "Wee" for urine in the english language, it's a type of slang used by children to say urine, or piss. Wee in it's own way meens "little", "tiny". Havok (T/C) 10:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It's pronounced wee as well as we - it's the same sound. Don't say that's a "factual error", because it clearly isn't.

The problem is here that Nintendo fanboys are doing nothing more than POV-pushing, trying to keep the reference out of the article.

Yes, it is a real word. See http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=wee or the wee article. --Col. Hauler 12:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, here's a comment from above (I striked it through there to move it here) - 81.182.142.141 12:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC) :

Also, I've noticed there seems to be a lot of wheel warring about the pronounciation. I've changed it so that it says the console is pronounced like "we", just like how it's used in the official press release. Others have changed it to "wee" or to say "we" and "wee". I don't understand the reasoning behind the other two versions, with the first being weasel wording and the second just being redundant since they're both pronounced exactly the same. Anyone making these changes want to explain? --TheKoG ([[User

talk:TheKoG|talk]]|contribs) 19:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to remove it, but it keeps getting added by Col. Hauler. It has nothing to do with fanboyism, it is clearly faulty and redundent. I say remove it. Either we solve this or I take it to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation Havok (T/C) 12:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"Redundant" is spelt like that. Your user page is full of spelling mistakes. Why are you even editing an encyclopedia? Please see Wikipedia policies and guidelines, especially civility policy.

It's clearly NOT "faulty" or "redundant", it's a major point as the name looks ridiculous (and even offensive to some most likely) to many people in English speaking countries - You're removing it again and again with very little cause yet telling me I need to go to the talk page.

• Sigh*. Col. Hauler 12:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have requested Wikipedia:Requests for mediation to take a look at this, anyone who wish to comment on the situasion can do so at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#Wee_vs_Wii_vs_Urine. Col. Hauler, I hope you know about the Three-Revert rule. Havok (T/C) 12:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

edit conflict

Col. Hauler, it's difficult to take your arguements seriously when you're willing to go so far as to violate WP:POINT with this vandalism edit of the article. Is there a reason for the redundancy you continue to insert into the article by stating that it's pronounced both as "we" and "wee" when they're both pronounced the same way? Is there a problem with just stating that it's pronounced as "we" just as it's used in the official press release? Also, keep in mind the WP:3RR rule. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 12:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Let's forget "Wee". Nintendo intended the name to sound "We" because it emphasises multiplayer and all that. Nintendo did not intend for it to mean piss, or small, so saying the name sounds like "Wee" is silly. -- Steel359 13:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

How they intended it is not the issue, how it sounds IS. It was unlikely intended, but it is a serious point since it makes the name of the console look like a big joke in any country where wee is used.

Example: "I'm going to play with my Wii (sounding EXACTLY like wee), mum"

. . . --Col. Hauler 13:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

And "We" illustrates that. As someone said below, why don't we go all out and add "Wee", along with "Weee", "Weeee", and "Weeeee"? We don't need to list every word the name sounds like. -- Steel359 13:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

edit conflict again :p

But that doesn't explain why it's better to use "wee" over "we". Why would we use a childish euphemism over the official intention? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 13:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not "over" at all, it's saying BOTH versions. That's all I'm trying to keep, sheer NPOV. It's blindingly obvious to anyone where the word is in use, so it definitely should be mentioned. It's an important, controversial point. --Col. Hauler 13:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

To me it sounds more like you want it there because you think "Wii" is some sort of joke to be made. It has been stated by everyone other then you that "We" and "Wee" sound the same. You are just adamant it having it there for your own amusement. You even revert my edits made to the article Wee. I have requested for mediation and will not revert anymore of your edits. I will leave it up to the others who contribute to this article to have their say and then maybe you will give up. And btw, thank you for calling me a Sock puppet, you forgot to add me to Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets, so I did it myself, seeing as I am innocent. Havok (T/C) 13:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Col. Hauler's vandalism speaks for itself. I don't understand why we are even discussing this with him. -Ritarri 13:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I did that DAYS AGO when people didn't seem to understand what I was getting at all. It was instantly reverted, but at least people understood a bit more. It's irrelevant to this discussion.

As for Havok, he's just being no more than childish, trying to protect "his" console against "bad words". --Col. Hauler 13:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

ha, irrespective of anything else, that article version (scroll down here) is hilarious! Completely inappropriate though :) Guy should make a web site with that version, I'm sure the ad revenue would be worth the trouble. GFDL after all. :) -81.182.142.141 14:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Reported to Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism Havok (T/C) 13:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Not to start this all over again, just to get more information on the table. The said, even on the website, Wii sounds like we, as in us. Wee is not us, Wè is pronouned Wee, not Wii or We. Proper English.--DivineShadow218 18:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Um, maybe im crazy but "we" and"wee" are pronunced the same way. But N says to pronunce "wii" as "we".Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 12:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

the word "like"

Please don't remove this word from the non-IPA transcription, even until we've reached a concensus here. I've added an invisible comment to this effect to the main body. 81.182.142.141 12:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

This is the comment I added to the main body as a comment. However Havok removed it:

PRONUNCIATION NOTE:

THERE IS CURRENTLY A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER TO

GIVE THE TRANSCRIPTION "WE" OR "WEE" OR BOTH.

HOWEVER, IN BOTH CASES THE WORD "LIKE" NEEDS TO REMAIN.

please realize that without "like", you are not making

reference to the known word "we" or the word "wee", and

instead are giving an ad-lib transcription, however without

resorting to IPA, and therefore the transcription is ambiguous.

since the transcription "we" could rhyme with "beh" or

even "weigh", depending on the system somebody thinks you're

transcribing by! However by saying "like 'we'" you are making

a reference to the very common English word.)

Examples:

{{{1}}} 81.182.142.141 12:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Really give all possibilities?

The above should apply to everything, but I will say my own preference: I think it's ridiculous to list all possibilities, why not WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (sleigh ride), which is an English exclamation written "whee!". :)

I vote for "pronounced like 'we'", (important to keep the word like), just like their product announcement, since the word "we" is very common and immediately understood. 81.182.142.141 12:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Another Possibility: wē (non-IPA dictionary transcription)

What about giving wē, which is a common transcription (not IPA) used by many English dictionaries, at least in America. This is the transcription the [| Wiktionary page for we] page gives, and if our pronunciation is the same, we might as well give the same transcription. I bet they have a bunch of linguists too all fretting over the pronoun (what normal person looks up or works on "we (pronoun)"?, so they're more qualified than we are about good transcriptions, in IPA and otherwise.

81.182.142.141 12:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have only been removing the text or "Wee". Nothing more. Havok (T/C) 12:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"However, Nintendo has been heavily criticized for the name, as Wii sounds like the slang "wee" (meaning urine)." Opinions, please. Ladlergo 13:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It was hardly "heavy criticism"; no-one really said the name was awful per-se, but the name was heavily derided on internet forums for a couple of days. Plus, the Wii-Wee thing is almost exclusive to the US & UK; French, Japanese, German, Russian etc. Nintendo fans must far outnumber English speaking fans, and no other Wikipedia mentions this co-incidence. If the quote has to go in, I'd suggest "However, the name earned some derision from English speaking commentators for it's similarity to the word "wee", a slang term for urine" (incidently, as We & Wee are homonyms, saying "Pronounced like "we" or "wee"" is redundant). smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 14:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Other than the "wee" jokes, there was still a bit of confusion. Most people said that the name was a poor choice for reasons like a) "Wii" is meaningless, b) the reasons for picking it must be explained and c)the pronunciation is unintuitive to most English-speaking people. If we have a section for criticism of the name, I'd also like to see those points. Ladlergo 15:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion

Maybe the sections 'name' and 'absence of hd support' should be moved to the bottom - possibly inside the section 'miscellaneous' (or 'wastebin').HappyVR 06:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Made this change - maybe I should have actually waited for a responce - but did it anyway - hoping people agree with moving what seems so be relatively speaking - trivia - to the end?HappyVR 21:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Edits

Removed a few now uneeded references due to nintendo releasing more info. Also cut the name section down to size - If there is any more to be said about the name it should be truly relevant - not just warm air.?HappyVR 07:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"Wii" vs. "the Wii"

I'm seeing both be used, so let's pick one and stick with it. Votes and reasons, people. Ladlergo 17:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer "The Wii", just because it sounds better. However, I looked around the Ninendo website earlier and they always refer to it as just "Wii". Eg, "Approximately the size of three stacked DVD cases, Wii's elegant design..." (See here) so I guess we should go with that. -- Steel359 17:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes tend to agree it's 'Wii' and not 'the Wii', however I made a change from 'Wii remote' to 'The Wii remote', hope this is ok.HappyVR 17:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That's appropriate, as "the remote" is what's specified. Ladlergo 17:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer "Wii" to "the Wii". Also, while I don't mean to imply that we are bound to use it in any way, Nintendo gave out a styleguide, detailing usage of the word 'Wii' in sentences. It might be of interest to us Wii article editors:

Nintendo Style Guide

A Guide to the Proper Usage of Some of Nintendo’s Products

Wii: Nintendo’s upcoming home video game console. It is simply Wii, not Nintendo Wii. It is pronounced “we,” indicating its all-inclusive nature. The name works best at the beginning of declarative statements. For clarity, it is best to avoid passive verbs and prepositions. Wii will launch in Q4 2006.

From Nintendo's 2006 e3 online press kit. Password protected, but Nintendo gave out temp passes for the duration of E3 (meaning they are about to expire): username "media", password "E32006". --Codemonkey 17:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The said it is not Nintendo Wii... not the Nintendo wii.... and just wii....not just the wii. But when talking about something, using proper English most likely to you "the" in front of it. I say say we put the in front of the correct places. Come one people let promote proper English. --DivineShadow218 18:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to make a similar point - I'm happy just calling it 'Wii' but I think that in terms of proper English we can't object to it being described as 'the Wii' - and I don't think anyone should get involved in any 'edit wars' over the absence or presence of a 'the'. I can't comment on the apparent usage of the name as a proper noun eg 'The tractor' versus 'Tommy the tractor'.HappyVR 18:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Even if we change some of the Wii's to the console, Ex. The consoles name, Wii, was release on the morning of April 27 though the Nintendo web site. But Proper usage of the is, The Wii's feature of the vurtial console will alowe players to downlaod and play classic games...--DivineShadow218 18:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks like while "Wii" is preferred for general statements, "the Wii Remote" and "the Wii console" are appropriate when mentioning specific parts of the system. Ladlergo 18:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Urine

Is it possible to cut the references to wii sounding like urine once and for all, or indeed whether or not people 'liked' it - it just doesn't seem necessary to have this in the article - at all - the name is contentious but - so what. I'm suggesting maybe a vote or perhaps some feedback from anyone who feels it really needs to stay.HappyVR 20:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Not to start this all over again, just to get more information on the table. The said, even on the website, Wii sounds like we, as in us. Wee is not us, Wè is pronouned Wee, not Wii or We. Proper English.--DivineShadow218 22:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea how to parse what you have written. I am a native English speaker, and in every version of English I have ever heard, the two words "we" (pronoun) and "wee" (adjective) are pronounced identically. If "Wii" sounds like either of them, then it sounds like both. --Saforrest 03:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo's choice to go with this particular name in spite of its connotations was extremely unconventional and highly interesting from a marketing view. How this name will be perceived in the long run, and how it will (if at all) impact sales, is equally interesting and significant. Removing all reference to the controversy eliminates knowledge upon which to build more knowledge. It may not be relevant to Wii fans, but it is certainly relevant to any large company which makes a decision about a new product name. Perhaps, a year from now, we'll at least be able to sneak in a reference to an economics paper without one of the Nintendo fans removing it.--Eloquence* 23:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Development Kits Price

Ok, In the article it says: "The development kits for the Wii cost $2000. By comparison, the PlayStation 2 development kits cost $20,000 at the console's launch, with the original PlayStation's SDK costing $4000-$5000 at launch." But, there's no comparison listing the price of the Xbox360 or PS3 Dev Kits. If the article's going to compaire price then it should list a price for a competitor of the same generation! Does anyone know the price for the Xbox360 dev kits? And I think the PS3 dev kits should be relatively cheep because their using open standards that are FREEly available!

I think the point here is that (supposedly) the dev kits are cheap - and the 'facts' bear this out. However I'm not sure about the accuracy of this information.HappyVR 21:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)