Talk:Will P. Brady

Citations

Just a friendly, unsolicited comment, @Usernameunique: this article would appear to suffer from a serious case of citation overkill. As that essay of course explains, there's no need to cite two or more sources for relatively uncontroversial facts since it clutters up the article for little benefit. I can tell that a lot of hard work has gone into researching and writing this article, but GA reviewers will avoid it like the plague if they have to wade through four hundred references just to check the sourcing. Therefore, prudence would suggest that the number of citations should be trimmed down a bit. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gerald Waldo Luis (talk · contribs) 16:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey! This looks like a decent article to be GA! I'll review it gradually, probably one section per day. Starting off with the lead and infobox, as well as first section. GeraldWL 16:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• "the first district attorney for Texas's seventieth Judicial District" Add link to district attorney, Texas and judicial district. Also, should the Judicial District be capitalized or no?

• Done, and uncapitalized.

• "he was the judge for the newly created El Paso County"-- link El Paso County, Texas.

• Done.

• "of a Mexican boy charged with killing a white woman." Leads for GAs and FAs are usually recommend to not have citations.

• I'm only using citations in the lead for quotations. Here, the cite is for the quotation "legal lynching".

• "district attorney by Governor"-- link Governor of Texas.

• Done.

• "A Democrat"-- link Democratic Party (United States).

• Done.

• Infobox is looking neat :) GeraldWL 16:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Early life & education

• "Will P. Brady"-- suggest changing the "P." to Paul.

• Changed to his full name, William Paul Brady.

• "Brady's brother John W."-- it is already stated that John's his brother previously, so "Brady's brother" is not needed.

• Done.

• "graduating from the college of arts"-- I think college of arts should be capitalized: College of Arts. Also according to the Uni of Texas article, there's College of Fine Arts and Liberal Arts; is there any specifics?

• Capitalized. As to the exact institution, it's unclear. The source says "College of Arts", which (of the two) would probably be the College of Liberal Arts, since the College of Fine Arts was apparently founded in 1938. But it looks like the College of Liberal Arts might have actually been known as the College of Arts and Sciences until a 1970 split (College of Liberal Arts on the one hand, and the College of Natural Sciences on the other). Maybe I'm just missing it, but I haven't been able to find a source that pins it down. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

GeraldWL 16:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Education

• Not necessarily for this section alone, but why are there dozens of citations for a small claim? An example is in "where he led the country school." GeraldWL 12:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

• The use of multiple citations is normally a) when different sources are needed to substantiate different parts of one sentence or clause, b) if the citations provide further information that someone curious about the subject might be interested in. The sentence in question probably has the most citations of any, but there isn't much information about Brady's time as a teacher, so I figured I may as well add the sources I could find. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

• Usernameunique, sounds more suitable for WP:FURTHER. GeraldWL 16:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

• I tend to think of "Further reading" sections as sections that contain links to larger works (e.g., books), and/or works that cover a subject holistically. Particularly when a reference is a smaller work (e.g., a newspaper article) that covers only a small part of a subject's life, it seems to make more sense to use it as an inline citation. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

• Usernameunique, but then again you said that some of those additional sources are just additional sources that don't back any claims. You can list them at the talk page in an "additional sources" section in case it can be used later (I always do this), put them on further if it's suitable, or erase them. GeraldWL 04:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• I didn't say that some of the sources "don't back any claims". All the sources in question each back up at least one fact in the sentence "Brady began teaching in Sprinkle, Texas, around 1897, where he led the country school." --Usernameunique (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

• "where he led the country school." Is it the country school? Or another one?

• It's "the" school—there was only one in Sprinkle. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

• "discussions of a new text book law"-- maybe combine to "textbook"?

• Done. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

• "that included stops in Buffalo and New York City." NYC is a common city, so linking to it would be WP:OVERLINK. At least that's what I've learned from Donald Trump editors. GeraldWL 04:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

• Done. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

County judge

• A lighter comment-- redlinks are only for notable people that warrants an article. Do you believe all the redlinks here are notable?

• I think so. There are a fair number of red links, but all held prominent offices and/or had significant newspaper coverage. It's not particularly surprising that they don't have articles, given that they're from 100 years ago, but I don't think the creation of an article on any of them would be particularly controversial. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, just a friendly reminder about this nomination. --Usernameunique (talk) 08:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Review will not be completed

I pinged Gerald Waldo Luis on their talk page, and they will not be returning to this review. Accordingly, I have returned the nomination to the pool of those awaiting a reviewer without any loss of seniority; the next review will take place on a different page from this one. Pinging nominator Usernameunique, so they know what is happening. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Will P. Brady/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 22:26, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Criteria

GA Criteria
GA Criteria: 1 1.a Y 1.b Y 2 2.a Y 2.b Y 2.c Y 2.d Y 3 3.a Y 3.b Y 4 4.a Y 5 5.a Y 6 6.a Y 6.b Y

• No DAB links Y
• No dead links Y
• No missing citations N

  Brady also heard cases in November and December 1917. needs a citation, although the citations from the note should be easily applicable to the sentence itself.

• Do you think citations are necessary here? I didn't include them because there are five in the footnote, which covers the exact same ground (just in more detail)—figured we could avoid repeating some references. But if you think they're needed, I'll add one for November and one for December.

Prose Suggestions

Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.

Lede

• Brady was born to a pioneering Austin family and grew up there. suggest Brady was born in Austin to a pioneering family and raised there.

• In the second phrasing it's not clear whether the family was a pioneering family that happened to be in Austin at the time, or whether they were Austin pioneers.

• An older brother, John W. Brady, also became a Texas lawyer and judge; a niece, Caroline Brady, would go on to become a philologist. suggest removing this as not important enough for the lede.

• Maybe not strictly necessary, but they're pretty interesting articles.

• Governor Thomas Mitchell Campbell. suggest Texas Governor Thomas Mitchell Campbell.

• Done.

• as the state president of the Catholic Knights of America. clarify which state, Texas or California.

• Done.

Early life and education

• He was the uncle of the philologist Caroline Brady. either the section should be renamed "early life and family", or this should be moved to the private life section.

• I get your point, although I think it fits a bit better here, and have trimmed a bit of the family information. I prefer the header "Early life and education," which I use almost universally in biographies.

Education

• The following year Brady took a three-week vacation that included stops in Buffalo and New York City I'm not really sure this belongs in the article unless it's somehow related to his job as an educator, or some other event of his life.

• It's a minor point, although I think this information (along with the post-law school trip) gives a slight sense of Brady's means and worldview.

• As superintendent, Brady's duties included reviewing transfers and expulsions of students. He was also involved in the hiring of instructors suggest As superintendent, Brady's duties included reviewing transfers and expulsions of students, as well as the hiring of instructors

• Done.

Law

• It included an abstract office which claimed to have complete abstracts of all of Reeves, Loving, and Winkler counties explain what an abstract is somewhere.

• Abstract is linked to property abstract, which should do the trick.

District attorney

• 1909 Governor Thomas Mitchell Campbell suggest 1909 Texas Governor Thomas Mitchell Campbell

• Done.

County judge

• He joined the law firm of Stafford and Mahan, which renamed itself Stafford, Brady & Mahan and took offices in the First National bank building did they only take these offices after he joined? If so, suggest mentioning they moved there from wherever they previously resided, such as He joined the law firm of Stafford and Mahan, which renamed itself Stafford, Brady & Mahan and moved its offices to the First National bank building from [x] if not, suggest He joined the law firm of Stafford and Mahan, which was located in the First National bank building, and subsequently renamed itself Stafford, Brady & Mahan.

• Changed to "moved its offices to," although I haven't been able to find where they were beforehand.

• with some 3,000 civil and 800 criminal cases suggest with some 3,000 civil and 800 criminal cases pending

• Done.

• and at another appeared in support of Texas representative R. Ewing Thomason. suggest and at another appeared in support of Texas representative R. Ewing Thomason, a Democrat.

• Done.

Oil

• Suggest renaming section to "Oil interests".

• Preferences vary, but I try to keep section headers short, e.g., "Law," "Oil," and "Politics."

Later years

• Suggest mentioning their deaths here, or else in a new, "Death" section following, rather than in personal life.

• I see where you're coming from, although later years is a subsection of "Career," so I don't think it makes sense to deal with the deaths here.

Social life

• In this capacity he met with members of the Gould and Texas & Pacific lines suggest In this capacity he met with members of the Gould and Texas & Pacific railroad lines

• Done.

Personal life

• having moved there with her parents when young. suggest having moved there with her parents while young.

• Changed.

• through the south and visit Brady's relatives in Arizona believe "the South" should be capitalized here.

• Already addressed by you.

• Will Brady took a home on Fort Boulevard, suggest Will Brady bought a home on Fort Boulevard,

• The source says that "Mr. and Mrs. W. P. Brady, recently of Pecos, Texas, have taken a home on Fort Boulevard." I suspect that they rented, given that he bought land and had a house built shortly thereafter.

Notes

• Among those cases reported in the newspapers, A. Limantia, proprietor of the Borderland inn, was sentenced to 20 days in jail and fined $200 for selling intoxicating liquors and running "a place where women of bad character were permitted to visit".[167][172] Carlos A. Aguero was convicted of false imprisonment, given 30 days in jail, and fined $100.[168] Arturo Lopez pleaded guilty to obtaining $15 under false pretense, and was sentenced to six months imprisonment.[169] Jose Gomez was sentenced to 30 days in jail for carrying a pistol.[169] Victor Molina was sentenced to 30 days in jail for nonsupport.[169] Henry Mailander was sentenced to 60 days in jail for negligent homicide, after he struck G. W. Loyd, causing him to fell from a window.[171] T. Lopez was sentenced to 70 days in jail for stealing lumber.[170] E. M. Thorethirst was fined $25 for vagrancy.[170] C. E. James was found not guilty of swindling money from E. Gamotz.[170] Sebe Hendrix was sentenced to six months for stealing goods.[170] The jury for O. Huggins, a porter charged with stealing $55, was unable to reach a verdict.[173] C. H. Tuckwood and his wife were found not guilty of swindling.[173] J. B. Walker was fined $5 for assaulting A. A. Howard.[173] this information is probably unnecessary.
• These included against D. Eduarte, who was sentenced to 30 days and fined $25 for aggravated assault; Cesario Terrazes, given five months and a $25 fine for impersonating an officer; Jesus Villalobos, sentenced to five months for theft; A. Marujo and Jose Rochin, each fined $25 for unlawfully selling liquor; Joe Fillecia, sentenced to 100 days in jail for theft; Cipriano Diaz, given 18 months in jail for theft; S. Diaz, fined $1 for rudely displaying a pistol;[180] Richard Armendariz, owner of the Bohemian Club, sentenced to 20 days in jail and fined $200 for illegally selling liquor; John Gilard, sentenced $20 for using abusive language; L. R. Pratt, sentenced to a day in jail and fined $5 for theft under $50; F. Lopez, fined $20 for vagrancy; George Reed, found not guilty of carrying a pistol;[181] W. L. Tuley ($25), Marshall Jackson ($10), J. M. Ornelas ($5), E. Rubio ($5), and J. Duran ($5), each of whom pleaded guilty to and was fined for liquor infractions;[182] J. G. Henderson, sentenced to 20 days in jail and fined $200 for conducting a disorderly house;[183][184] J. M. Duran, who was convicted and fined $75 for allowing music in his saloon;[185] George Robinette, sentenced to a day in jail and fined $25 for stealing brass from the Southwestern Portland Cement plant; James E. M. and Olga Osborn, charged with aggravated assault;[186] Moria M. Howe, fined $10 for pricking a city detective with a hatpin; Jose Garcia, sentenced to a day in jail and fined $5 for petty theft; R. L. Higgins, found not guilty of theft under $50; J. I. Broyles, fined $25 for vagrancy;[187] Edward Ruff, fined $50 for aggravated assault; G. W. Kitchens, who forfeited a $500 bond for failure to appear on charges of aggravated assault;[188] and M. A. Pagana and J. L. Queseda, each fined $25 for vagrancy.[189] In another case, Brady considered a habeas corpus petition filed by O. H. Strahl, who was jailed and fined $100 for "calling the president vile names" and wishing for American troops to be "blown to hell when they landed in France".[190] Meanwhile, Brady ordered $200 bonds forfeited for nonappearance for each of Antonio Morales, J. Smith, and J. E. Lane, charged with carrying a pistol, conducting a raffle, and swindle, respectively,[191] and Brady ordered Jose Taranga's $1 fine for theft remitted, in order that Taranga could join the U.S. military. ditto.
• These cases included a test case brought by the Western Indemnity company, claiming jitne drivers were unable to terminate surety contracts early.[193] Brady's cases also included those of William Newton, found guilty by a jury for assault and fined $50,[194] vagrancy cases against Gladys Johnson, Helen Johnson, Grace Shelby, Edna Smith, Beatrice King, Lillian Winns, and May White—each resulting in a guilty plea and $5 fine—and bond forfeitures for Mrs. C. H. Newman (vagrancy), H. H. Sweeney (drunkenness), and Alberto Hernandez (abusive language).[195] Among those found not guilty of their charges were Annie McCoy, for selling liquor without a license; L. W. Hoffecker, for aggravated assault; and Anastacio Gamboa, for impersonating an officer.[196] Brady also handled, and reversed, a $25 fine to Lewis Samuels for a traffic violation, imposed by the lower court a day before the complaint was actually filed. ditto.
• Other cases in January included those of George Coleman, sentenced to six months for theft; C. W. Alexander, sentenced to four months for theft; A. Ledesma, sentenced to four months for theft; Joe Duran, sentenced to four months for theft; A. Martinez and A. Garcia, transferred to juvenile court for theft; John Doe Ferguson, fined $25 for assault; and L. Munoz, fined $5 for assault ditto.
• That same month Brady threw out 50 cases for having been improperly perfected; most read "to the county court" rather than "to the county court at law". Other cases that year included against F. Zozoya for unlawfully operating an automobile, H. E. King for speeding, and Jose Queseda for keeping a disorderly house.[ suggest removing Other cases that year included against F. Zozoya for unlawfully operating an automobile, H. E. King for speeding, and Jose Queseda for keeping a disorderly house.

• There's a reason these aren't in the main text, but I do think they serve a purpose. They give a sense of the cases Brady presided over at the time, and, by extension, the types of crimes that were prosecuted at the time—all those liquor and prostitution cases, for example. And then who wouldn't want to hear about O. H. Strahl, who was sent to jail for "calling the president vile names" and wishing for American troops to be "blown to hell when they landed in France"?

• @Usernameunique: That is all of my suggestions, I will pass the article once the uncited text has a citation added. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks very much, Iazyges. Responses above. --Usernameunique (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)