Talk:Wins Above Replacement

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Hello[edit]

Hello, I am the creater of this page, please help add on to this page. RandomGuy 9929 (talk) 12:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

What on earth does the picture of AL East standings have to do with this article? Fomalhaut (talk) 19:33, 19 September 2014 (UTC)Fomalhaut

WAR as a Framework[edit]

The article should probably mention that WAR is a more of a framework than a specific stat (hence whey there are multiple implementations of it). Tom Tango repeatedly references this at The Book Blog. For offense it's basically WAR = offensive runs + defensive runs + positional adjustment + replacement. There are various legitimate philosophical reasons why one might calculate some of those components differently, so that leads to the different flavors (pitching WAR has its own philosophical issues as well). I don't have time right now to write this up properly for the article though. Mickeyg13 (talk) 16:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Will you have time at some point later? I believe WAR is a great thing to check but I don't feel wise enough on how it's calculated and what goes into it to make so many edits to this page. --Muboshgu (talk) 16:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I think it is important to show some calculations for WAR instead of saying that there is no established formula, I will add at least one way of calculating WAR and include a citation.Gk77-NJITWILL (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Criticism?[edit]

Is there any criticism of the notion of WAR that should be noted in the article? It seems to be the be-all and end-all of stats for some people out there.--172.190.203.128 (talk) 00:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't criticize the notion of WAR, but the implementation is grossly unscientific (and sabermetrics is supposed to be a science). As far as I can determine, there are multiple versions of WAR, and the details of how they are calculated is a (trade?) secret. Any baseball statistic on which this much weight is placed needs to have an open, verifiable formula. Fomalhaut (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC) Fomalhaut

Sports Illustrated using this TOTALLY differently[edit]

In SI's power rankings today [1], they are referring to entire teams as having a "WAR percentage". What can that mean? I mean, I thought the whole purpose of WAR was to compare how a team does with and then without a player. This is so confusing. 98.82.23.152 (talk) 01:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

What they've done is add together all the WAR that the players on a team have contributed, and then add that to the number of wins expected for a replacement level team. By doing this you get a very rough estimate of how many games a team is going to win, and from that number of wins you can calculate a winning percentage.
Here's an example: imagine a team of mostly replacement level players, who have a catcher who contributes 5.0 WAR, an ace pitcher with 6.0 WAR, a bullpen that contribute 4.0 WAR together, and an MVP centre-fielder with a value of 10.0 WAR, all over a period of one season. This team would have a total 25.0 WAR.
A replacement level MLB team is expected to get 47.7 wins in a season (a .294 winning percentage) [2] We can add this 25.0 WAR to the replacement level number of wins and we end up with 72 wins, so the expected win percentage of the team is .449, according to their WAR data. RWyn (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

2012 American League MVP race[edit]

The just-announced winner of the AL MVP 2012 is Miguel Cabrera, beating out Mike Trout who had a substantially higher WAR number than Cabrera. One would think with all of the press today about WAR, that this article could get at least one reference citation. - 2601:B:BB80:60:3597:6BD0:BFBF:9396 (talk) 04:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, WAR became a focal point of the 2012 American League MVP race, I will try to improve this article by adding citations. Gk77-NJITWILL (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

What do the 2007 AL East standings have to do with WAR?[edit]

Picture/caption seems irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.131.228 (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2014 (UTC)