Talk:Xbox Series X and Series S/Archive 1

Archive 1

How to write about the new Xbox platform?

So it's fair to say that Microsoft's new approach to the Xbox brand is... confusing at best. However, this seems to be what's going on: the new platform that will succeed the Xbox One platform is simply called "Xbox", and the Xbox Series X is simply the first console of many that will run the platform – à la how the original Xbox One, Xbox One S, and Xbox One X shared the same platform and thus played the same games. My concern is how we write about this new platform going forward. The two issues I'd like for us to discuss are as follows:

1. How do we write about the games that will be released on this new "Xbox" platform? What is the best way to distinguish the new "Xbox" platform with the 2002 platform of the same name? For example, "Halo Infinite will be released as a launch title for __________ in Holiday 2020."
2. What should the scope of this article (Xbox Series X) be? Should it be rescoped and renamed to cover the new "Xbox" platform, or should it be kept as an article specifically about this first "Xbox" console and let Xbox#Fourth-generation models do the heavy lifting for the timebeing? If the former, what should the new name for this article be per Wikipedia's guidelines on article titles?

Pinging Alexandra IDV, Masem, Valoem, and ViperSnake151 as this article's top contributors. Both WikiProject Microsoft and WikiProject Video games have been notified of this discussion as well. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 19:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

References

• This is something to wait to see how the media does it, which we will likely know better by E3 2020. I could see several possible ways, but we should stablize on how the media does it. --Masem (t) 19:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
  • As for scope, until MS announces a separate product in the new Xbox line, this article should be limited to the Xbox Series X. Anything related to the brand of Xbox should be at the main Xbox article under the fourth-generation header. --Masem (t) 19:17, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• The rumored high-end/low-end models may be notable in their own right. Let's see how it pans out. I rewrote the section just now to explain and add justification for why Microsoft may have done this (as it lends to credence of the "Anaconda"/"Lockhart" rumors from earlier). Of course Microsoft would put the marketing muscle on the big one first. ViperSnake151  Talk  19:56, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
• My own take is that until we know more about how it evolves, we should use either "Xbox Series X" (most common name), or call it "Xbox (2020 console)" (technically official name), retitling the original console's article "Xbox (2002 console)" (I do wish Microsoft wouldn't try to be so clever about their consoles). When new games release for it in a multiplatform setting, maybe use something like "XSX" for reception box data. Bearing in mind, we don't know much about it, we haven't had a huge amount of press about it, what announcement there are have been confusingly worded, and we'll probably hear more about the upcoming Sony and Microsoft consoles at respective press events in the year. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

@Masem, ProtoDrake, and ViperSnake151: It seems that Most Horizontal Primate has gone ahead and proposed that we refer to the new Xbox platform as "Xbox (4th generation)", over at Categories for Discussion. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 23:11, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

The outcome of the discussion was to move the relevant categories under the "Xbox (4th generation)" name. I've updated Halo Infinite and Watch Dogs Legion with references to the "fourth generation Xbox" and "Xbox (4th gen)", with links to the relevant section in the Xbox article for now. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 08:27, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Beevil, Masem, Most Horizontal Primate, and ViperSnake151: I've been monitoring changes to these articles, regarding our understanding of the new consoles, and I'm concerned about a recent bold change made by Viper to Halo Infinite which refers to the game's availability as "Xbox One and newer" instead of the "Xbox One" and "Xbox (4th generation)" labels discussed above. What's this all about, may I ask? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 05:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

It was about today's revelation about Xbox Game Studios not necessarily doing Xbox Series X exclusives off the bat, and the strong amount of compatibility it has with Xbox One (to the point that Series X feels like it's effectively an Xbox One X2 at the rate we're going, rather than how the jump between Xbox 360 and One was pretty much a clean slate). Microsoft now seemingly implicates that the current "Xbox family" covers the Xbox One and Series X), and described how they're easing themselves towards Series X in terms of game compatibility as being akin to PC system requirements. Everything Microsoft says it just making things more confusing, and we'll have to see how Xbox One games are packaged/promoted after Series X is released; I'm currently presuming that it may be no different to how they do the "Xbox One X enhanced" branding right now, but for all we know the cover art might end up saying "Xbox" instead of "Xbox One" once Series X is released. ViperSnake151  Talk  06:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Four times as powerful as Xbox One X

Regarding the statement "Microsoft stated that the console would be four times as powerful as Xbox One X", Phil Spencer clarified that this metric was in reference to the CPU alone.

PC Games Hardware: Does the aforementioned statement 4x refer to the complete console? Phil Spencer: No, that's just a CPU statement. It would also be a bit too simplistic to refer to the whole system, as much as I would like to, because so many components flow into it. Link

Confirmed with Gamespot

With the launch of the Xbox Series X, it's no surprise Microsoft has graphical capability on the mind. Spencer told us, "We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is. [...] It's not all about GPU power alone--as expected, the Series X beefs up the CPU. Spencer explained, "On the CPU side, which is [something] we really wanted to push relative to previous generations, we have four times the compute power on the CPU in Project Scarlett." Link

— Niche-gamer 11:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

"Xbox 1080" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Question

Will game install be required (as in the original Xbox One, the Xbox One S and the Xbox One X) or optional (as in the Xbox 360)? --Fandelasketchup (talk) 10:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

In the page it mentions spencer

Who is this? Unbeatable202 (talk) 23:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Phil Spencer (business executive), which is linked at the first mention. -- ferret (talk) 23:31, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

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editing fix

First paragraph: "the Xbox Series X is expected to be is fully compatible with all games". Thank you for your assistance. 2600:1700:16A0:DBA0:5412:332:48AC:2640 (talk) 03:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Xbox series x photo

Someone has to upload a photo of the Xbox series X. The reveal of what it looks like has been out for awhile. I guess someone has to get it reviewed or Microsoft can upload it. I don't really care who does it but put in the Public Domain and add the terms of service since "technically" its not your photo unless it is an official copy of it. So if some douche is not going to add a single blip of the official photo then to hell with it. No one has discussed this so i'll start it. I've uploaded a photo that was deemed "not fit" and was a copyright violation. So if anyone has technique in upload a photo like this can you please DM me. Jerry Steinfield (talk) 05:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

As I pointed out to you on my talk page, when the console is released, we will be able to take a free image of it. Right now, the only images of the console are those copyrighted to Microsoft so they are non-free , and per WP:NFCC policy, we cannot use non-free where free images can be taken, even if that's a bit off in the future. We were hoping it was going to be E3 but there's still other opportunities. --Masem (t) 05:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

That was what i hinted to (the when it releases it will be in the PD)since i assumed that and is was not a given information of that. I also looked to see the copyright of a photo used by Microsoft but coudnt find any information. Thank you for clearing up the information for me/others who were not informed.

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Potential new logo

A new trademark for the Series X logo has been spotted [1] however please do not add this until MS actually shows its use in official marketing for the unit. --Masem (t) 05:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

And the official Xbox account has just [2] tweeted (for the May 7th event) the branding to be used on games optimized for XSX that uses this logo, so this is now a go. --Masem (t) 06:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Planning ahead....

There was a lot of information in the last week (aligning with previous info) that the lower-powered console is due to be announced soon, with a strong chance it will be named "Xbox Series S" - same CPU and GPU but with less memory and lower frequencies, and the like. Because the hardware sounds like it will be common (But that might change) I would suggest that if that remains the same, both consoles should be covered on the same page. But we also need to see how MS is going to approach the naming too, as I doubt they will mean the series to be called "Xbox Series". They may just leave it "Xbox" in which case we'll need to likely name this "Xbox (4th generation console)" or something. But we will see. I'm just putting out there to keep ideas in mind. --Masem (t) 03:45, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to improve table spacing

Instead of reducing font size, I propose adopting a shorter date table sorting template for release dates {{dts|2020|Jan|23}} similar to List of PlayStation 4 games and List of Xbox One games. MOS:DATEFORMAT says abbreviated dts is a perfectly viable format "where brevity is helpful" (e.g. refs, tables, infoboxes) providing the style remains consistent throughout. A shorter date format creates more space for the first four columns and improves table readability for visitors with small or standard monitors that cannot output at high resolutions. (Example of how the page will appear).

From

September 27, 2014

September 27, 2014

September 27, 2014

to

Sep 27, 2014

Sep 27, 2014

Sep 27, 2014

You can comment on the proposal here. — Niche-gamer 18:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

12.155 v 12.147 TFLOPS

To the IP, I'm well aware that if you take the published 1825 MHz and the 3328 cores, that the calculation comes out 12.147 TFLOPS, but the issue is that the principle source, being the Digital Foundry tech spec reveal [3] in March (which was made with MS's oversight) has 12.155, and we really can't vary from that. What this could mean is that while they are reporting 1825 MHz, the timing may be a bit higher and they just rounded slightly. (you obviously can't round the core count #). The timing only needs to get to 1826 Mhz to get to the 12.155 TFLOP calculation. This is something they may have rounded to the nearest 5's in reporting, for example. --Masem (t) 22:32, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Math is math... you cannot just change it for convenience. Either it is 12.147 TF or it is 12.155 TF, not both. Either it is 1825 MHz on the GPU clock or it is not (given it's design is a constant clock). So if you publish the 12.155 TF number, you need to correct the 1825 to 1826. If you publish the 12.147 number, you can leave the 1825 alone. I have zero idea why Digital Foundry said the 12.155 number they did... I believe it was just incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.205.41 (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

No, we need to go by what reliable sources say. To make a change, present a source that verifies the change. Sergecross73 msg me 15:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

We can't change what RSes report. But that said, with MS's recent spec comparison between the two systems: [4], they drop one decimal point, to 12.15 TFLOPs, which is now within rounding, and thus probably the right number to use, which I have. But we can't change it because you calculate it exactly. They are doing it off specs they have to the letter that we may not know. --Masem (t) 15:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

What matter is NOT what is reported (which could be flawed) but what is ACTUALLY REAL. I agree that this is kind of bickering over a few decimal points... but I just think if the 12.155 number that Digital Foundry reported, wouldn't the CORRECT way to round would be to say 12.16 TF? But NO, they DON'T say 12.16... they say 12.15... which implies that the real/correct actual number is the 12.147... because that would correctly round to 12.15 if you wanted it to 2 decimal places. The CORRECT teraflops are IN FACT: 12,147,200 floating point operations per second... in NO WAY should that EVER be represented as 12.155 TF. I would agree that just rounding to 2 decimal places (12.15) is a fair representation, mathematically. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.205.41 (talk) 16:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Please read WP:V and WP:OR to see why we keep telling you that we need to go by what is reported, not what you personally calculate. You can argue all you want, but it’s literally the foundation of how the entire website functions. Sergecross73 msg me 16:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

To User Sergecross73: The source that verifies the change is SIMPLE MATHEMATICS. 52 Compute Units x 64 shaders per CU x 2 operations per clock x 1825 MHz = 12,147,200. ....or do you want a big shot news reporter to say it to you for you to believe it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.205.41 (talk) 16:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Unless you have a source, request denied. Sergecross73 msg me 16:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

That's fine... I guess you value what other's report/say VS. truths that can be verified by one's own free/logical thinking. Wikipedia has it's limitations/drawbacks I suppose. Good day to you, Sir! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.205.41 (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. Sergecross73 msg me 18:04, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Table of Specifications Needs Correcting

Xbox Series X specification listed in the comparison table are incorrect. It's 3.6 GHz with SMT enabled, NOT 3.66. It also has a memory bus is 320 bits, NOT 320MB as currently listed. Please correct this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.205.41 (talk) 15:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

We need to go by what reliable sources say. To make a change, present a source that verifies the change. Sergecross73 msg me 15:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

It was an error in from the original EG source (source did have 320-bit), so this was fixable. --Masem (t) 15:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Also MS's own new specs [5] are confirming the 3.6. --Masem (t) 15:58, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

That’s fine then. The IP didn’t provide a new source or point out that the source present wasn’t properly cited, so I assumed it was more original research on their part. Sergecross73 msg me 16:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources (Microsoft themselves) have confirmed 3.6 GHz... NOT 3.66. Just look at the comparison tech spec table Microsoft just published with the Xbox Series S announcements last day or two. This should be corrected. I've tried correcting this number several times in the past several months and somebody keeps changing it to the WRONG number. Stop it. Truth is truth. Microsoft NEVER EVER said 3.66 GHz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.17.205.41 (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Article title rename proposal

The name of this article is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. The discussion can be found here, with the formal name change here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Temporary photo option

MS has released papercraft, at full scale, for both consoles here [6] If you have the time, you could assemble the full size version and take photos of it (freely licensed) to use as a free image for the time being until we get a legit picture of the console here... --Masem (t) 04:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)