Template:Did you know nominations/Caroline Anne James Skeel
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by ツStacey (talk) 10:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Caroline Skeel
[edit]... that Caroline Skeel was one of the first Welsh women to hold a chair at a university?
- ALT1:ALTs are welcome.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dorothy M. Healy
- Comment: Women's History Month & Awaken the Dragon
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 03:41, 8 March 2016 (UTC).
Long enough, nominated in timeframe, adequately referenced to reliable sources, though it depends mainly on a single reference, and appears neutral. Earwig noted no problems with paraphrasing. The hook is interesting, concise and supported by the reference, but the article needs to elaborate on why a person born in London and who seems to have lived her entire life in England should be considered Welsh on the basis of her parents' place of birth. QPQ completed. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:12, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The Welsh Dictionary of Biography run by the National Library considers her to be Welsh. We call her British. The sources states the hook. We could change it to "of Welsh descent" but that isn't what the source says.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The ODNB states her parents were "of Welsh descent" and also later states of her publications: "Many relate to Wales, where her credentials as historian were backed up by family connections, a reading knowledge of Welsh, and cordial relationships with archivists throughout the principality" so I think the claim for her being herself Welsh is disputed amongst reliable sources. Can another hook be found? The ODNB has some detail that isn't in the article -- I could e-mail it to you if you can't access it. ETA: A closer reading of the ODNB entry suggests the chair is also incorrect -- she became a reader in 1919 and a professor in 1925, both of which would, as far as I know, be lesser positions than a chair. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The page has been moved to Caroline Skeel. I adjusted the credits. Yoninah (talk) 21:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that a native of Hampstead became an expert in Welsh history?Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- That hook works fine for me. However, I still think the statement "one of the first Welsh women to hold a chair at a university" needs to be removed from the article, as I believe both nationality & the head of department being equivalent chair are incorrect. Espresso Addict (talk) 11:35, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- The ODNB states her parents were "of Welsh descent" and also later states of her publications: "Many relate to Wales, where her credentials as historian were backed up by family connections, a reading knowledge of Welsh, and cordial relationships with archivists throughout the principality" so I think the claim for her being herself Welsh is disputed amongst reliable sources. Can another hook be found? The ODNB has some detail that isn't in the article -- I could e-mail it to you if you can't access it. ETA: A closer reading of the ODNB entry suggests the chair is also incorrect -- she became a reader in 1919 and a professor in 1925, both of which would, as far as I know, be lesser positions than a chair. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The Welsh Dictionary of Biography run by the National Library considers her to be Welsh. We call her British. The sources states the hook. We could change it to "of Welsh descent" but that isn't what the source says.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:10, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
User:Espresso Addict, just change whatever you think is needed. Yoninah's hook suggestion is fine.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:51, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict: please email me the ODNB entry and I will fix the article per your suggestions. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yoninah, Espresso Addict hasn't edited on Wikipedia since March 21. It may be time to try a Plan B to get the nomination moving forward again. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
It appears that Espresso Addict removed the line that was bothering him on March 16. I have gone ahead and added more sources and reformatted the article. A reviewer is needed for ALT1 or, alternately:ALT2: ... that the library at Queen Mary University of London was named after an expert in Welsh history?Yoninah (talk) 23:30, 9 April 2016 (UTC)- ALT3: ... that the library at Queen Mary University of London was named after an expert in Welsh history, Caroline Skeel? My preference would be to keep the person's name explicitly in the hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 06:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
ALT3 is fine, and verified. Not the most exciting hook, but it's time to send this on. Drmies (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
