Template:Did you know nominations/Kalidas (film)

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 16:13, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Kalidas (film)[edit]

The song and story book of Kalidas

  • Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by Kailash29792 (talk). Nominated by Vensatry (talk) at 05:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC).

Comment: I support the nom, but is there any other unique feat that looks worth adding? I found none. If u found any, then that can be added, otherwise this "first sound film" theory can do. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:08, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Vensatry, I feel this trivia is good enough to add, now that everyone (except the ever-adamant User:Marchoctober) is convinced that Kalidas is the first Southie talkie. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:32, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Doing... I'll review this article. Comments tomorrow. —Soham (talk) 16:52, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Forgot to watchlist — down and out with fever as well but I'll continue the review. No need to worry smileSoham (talk) 07:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Convert the budget and collection figures to US dollars per WP:VNE. – Soham (talk) 15:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I already did it in the release section. Should I do it in the lead as well? Kailash29792 (talk) 15:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Yup. Especially when it is going to appear on the Main Page. – Soham (talk) 15:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
 Done. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment: Since there seems to be an unsettled issue with the fact mentioned in the hook, I suggest the principal contributor of the article to come up with an alternate hook. Vensatry (Ping) 05:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
How about Did you know ALT1: ... that Kalidas was the first ever sound film to be made in Tamil cinema? Kailash29792 (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Suits me. But there few other criteria's I have to check the article on. – Soham (talk) 12:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

A lot of ambiguity is present in the article. In the section, Production, it is stated that it is the first "Tamil sound film" but in the very section there is a subsection titled, First Tamil sound film? which contradicts the previous statement stating it is a multilingual film. Thus leaving the reader (in this case, me) confused. Such contradiction and ambiguity should be resolved. It can be resolved by using a neutral tone like—

"There is much confusion as to whether the film is the first sound film produced in South India; or the first Tamil sound film or the first Multilingual film of India. Some film critics note.... [Thing about Ist sound film in South India] [Views about first Tamil film] followed by [Views of critics about first Multilingual film]" – Soham (talk) 08:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

It is the first sound film in Tamil cinema. Many critics however refuse to call it a pure Tamil film due to the various languages spoken by the characters, instead calling it India's first multilingual film. However, because its fifty songs are in Tamil, it is considered (by S. Theodore Baskaran) a Tamil film only. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, now explain it in the article. – Soham (talk) 09:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Now about the hook accuracy. The hook, about it being "first Tamil talkie or sound film" is supported by 2 sources (directly) and 1 indirectly—

  1. The Hindu"In the South it was R. Nataraja Mudaliar's ‘Keechaka Vadham' in 1918, and the first talkie was 'Kalidas' in 1931". No qualms about it. Solid.
  2. The Hindu"to prove the first Tamil talkie, Kalidas". Good.
  3. IBNLive"The release of 'Bhaktha Prahladha', the first Telugu talkie movie completes 81 years on February 7, 2013.". A bit twisted, not explicitly stating Kalidas to be the first but provides support to the previous two refs, by proving that Bhakta Prahladha released on 7 February 1932, making Kalidas the de-facto "first Tamil sound film".

Phew! – Soham (talk) 13:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Now the criterias—

New –

YesY, passed GAR on 2 March 2014. Nominated next day.

Long enough –

YesY, 1105 words, "readable prose size".

Within policy
"is neutral" – YesY no POV pushing present.
"cites sources with inline citations" – YesY
"is free of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations and plagiarism" – YesY
Hook (ALT1)
Format – Within 200 characters, formatted. YesY
Content – YesY, hook accuracy proved, cites sources, complies with WP:BLP, is interesting.
QPQ – Does not apply.
Image –
  • Copyright – Okayish. You can't be 100% sure with PD-India ones.
  • Used in the article – YesY
  • "show up well at small size (100 × 100px)" – Nah... At the highest size of 640x960 I can hardly figure out if thats a girl whose arms are amputated or her facial expressions for that matter. At 100 pixels, the only properly visible item of the image is the word "KALIDAS". N.

GTG Symbol confirmed.svg but passed without image. – Soham (talk) 13:46, 15 March 2014 (UTC)