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Kathrin Göring

  • ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's extramarital daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, with dramatic intensity? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC).

  • What's an "extramarital daughter"? Do you mean a daughter born out of wedlock? Yoninah (talk) 23:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • sometimes English is really poor, - is there no one-word phrase for the child a man has from a woman who is not his wife? I found it kind of quirky, but it it can't be put elegantly we perhaps drop it and just mention the characters' names? - As the two appear in the same Die Walküre, the singer appeared for the curtain call in her valkyrie outfit, but then was given her goddess fur coat, - can you word that, perhaps? She was Fricka only in Das Rheingold and Waltraute only in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
A single, reasonably neutral word for "born out of wedlock" is illegitimate. You could say "Wotan's wife and illegitimate daughter" and it would be clear. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Learning, thank you!
ALT1: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and Wotan's illegitimate daughter Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Yes, ALT1 is a better hook. Here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as sources are foreign-language. However, the hook fact about Wotan doesn't appear in the article, nor the part about Waltraute being illegitimate. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 11:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I tried to make it more interesting for our general public, and a bit quirky, but really would not like to open the can of worms to explain the relationship of operatic characters in singers' articles. There's a roles list in every decent opera article which has such things. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
In this case Die Walküre. Sigh, for Brünnhilde, it says that the mother is Erda, but the mother of the other valkyries is not Fricka. Anyway, this may be too complex to be used.
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Wotan's wife Fricka and the valkyrie Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I think ALT2 is interesting, especially with that unusual word "valkyries". But again, none of this is mentioned in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
... because it's the same can of worms. In a article about an actor playing Romeo, would you request an explanation and ref for Juliette being his beloved?
ALT2: ... that mezzo-soprano Kathrin Göring portrayed with dramatic intensity both Fricka and the Waltraute in Der Ring in Minden, which appear both in Die Walküre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2019 (UTC)