Template:Did you know nominations/Minoritized language
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The result was: promoted by Innisfree987 (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
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Minoritized language
[edit]- ... that the minoritization of the Celtic languages was connected with the rise of nationalism and the idealization of the monolingual nation-state? [1]
- ALT1:... that the term minoritized language is used to highlight the process by which languages are marginalized or persecuted in favor of a dominant language? [2]
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5x expanded by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 03:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC).
- Copyvio good. It's been expanded enough (but not by a wide margin). Hook one is not totally supported by that one source. It technically says that the 19th Century can be seen as a reaction to nationalism, and that minoritization happened in the context of linguistically homogeneous state, but not necessarily that there was a causal link between idealization of that state per se. The source for hook two doesn't seem to support the bit about the prestige language. There's also a bit of a verifiability issue with the "face serious consequences" bit in the lead. The content in the body shows that these effects have been observed, but doesn't support any statement about the severity of the issue. So just going by the content in the body, there may be an observable effect, but there's no indication that it's severe rather than moderate, or for that matter, detectable but comparatively small.
- Having said that, it's certainly an interesting topic. May I suggest a hook emphasizing that minoritization is the active suppression of a language, even in cases where that happens to be the majority language? GMGtalk 21:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
This article has been greatly expanded in the last 48 hours. The article is satisfactory and deals with an interesting topic. The hook facts for both hooks are stated in the article and have appropriate citations. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:03, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Umm...Michael Hardy...you may want to review the above. GMGtalk 22:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments. I don't think it's editorializing to describe reduction in academic achievement and language shift as "serious", even if the effects are not necessarily large, but I've removed the word from the lede. The first hook was worded so as not to state that there was a casual relationship, but merely that there was a connection between the two. As for the second hook, the source states that "processes of language subordination and to the unequal power relationships that often pertain between “minority” and “majority”." If there is a minoritized language, there is also a dominant language that is favored. I've changed the wording to "dominant" but retained the link to prestige language, because dominant language redirects to linguistic imperialism, a less closely related concept. Proposing two additional alts below: Catrìona (talk) 23:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that minoritized languages may be spoken by a majority of the population, but are "targeted for extermination and debasement"?[3]
- ALT3: ... that minoritized languages are "targeted for extermination and debasement" based on the false assertion that other languages are superior?
- Ooh. ALT2 is getting much more hooky. Very nice. I am probably applying a near GA standards for sources, which maybe isn't the normal standard, but it's what I'm used to. Maybe just tweak it a little more to be more sensational (although well sourced in it's sensationalism). Something like
minoritized languages even when spoken by a majority of the population, are targeted for extermination?
That way we reduce the quote to three words, meaning we can probably drop the quote without getting into issues with close paraphrasing, since that's a pretty essential part of the information without the accouterments of significant creative contribution for copyright reasons. GMGtalk 00:30, 25 August 2018 (UTC)- I don't have any objection to your suggestion:
- ALT4 ...that minoritized languages, even when spoken by a majority of the population, are targeted for extermination?
- @Michael Hardy: perhaps you could apply the magic tick mark? Thanks! Catrìona (talk) 00:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)