Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Phalat

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Operation Phalat

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• ... that Mountain Slope led to a legendary hero?
  • ALT1 ... that the success of Operation Phalat led to a subsequent Thai military operation named after a legendary hero?
  • ALT2 ... that in 1971 Thai forces invaded Laos to drive out encroaching Communist-Chinese influence in Southeast Asia?
  • ALT3 ... that the success of Operation Phalat allowed three Thai battalions to occupy part of Laos as a preemptive move against a Chinese invasion?
  • ALT4 ... that Operation Phalat was a preventative strike into Laos by Thai forces in 1971 to contain communist influence in the region?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Barrett Browning: A Biography

Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self-nominated at 17:42, 15 February 2016 (UTC).

• Earwig copyvio score equals zero point zilch.

• New enough and long enough, with QPQ, and no copyvios. However, there are some concerns to address before promoting this nomination. The hook is very vague, and even in the article it does not describe who "the hero" is. DaltonCastle (talk) 06:54, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
• The article should elaborate on the final section. There are also a number of possible alternate hooks you could use from the rest of the article. DaltonCastle (talk) 06:57, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• I corrected the link in the final section and slightly rewrote the section for clarity's sake. The reader can now click on the connected corrected link to verify the connection with Sourisak Montry. As mentioned, he is a legendary Thai soldier of the past.Georgejdorner (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• I think a problem I see is that Sourisak Montry does not have an article, or even attribution within this article, explaining who the hero was. So my recommendations are 1. to create alternatives which I will do now, and 2. if you have expertise in Thai military operations and history, a page about Sourisak Montry would be very interesting. DaltonCastle (talk) 17:58, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• Perhaps you need to pay more attention to, "In the near future, the "mountain slope" would lead to an operation named after a mythical Thai warrior—Operation Sourisak Montry." I do believe that sentence in the article explains the hook.
• My expertise in Thai military history extends solely to Thai involvement in the Laotian Civil War, which began in 1961.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:25, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

• I see. That is not a problem. What are your thoughts on ALT1 then? DaltonCastle (talk) 18:59, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

• Keeping in mind that Thai Special Forces were in Laos as early as 1961, with the first Thai mercenary battalion arriving there in 1964:
• ALT1 is an expansion of my ALT0 that removes any mystery from the original.
• ALT2 seems dubious, because how do you invade a country where you already have statoned troops?
• ALT3, with one tiny mod, is good to go.
• ALT4 has been tweaked to better reflect the reality of the situation; the Thais were not going to chase the Chinese out of northwestern Laos without a full scale war.
• However, none of these four has the "grabbiness" and impact of ALT0.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

While I understand your desire to keep the original language, I think it is too vague in this instance. We can look for a third opinion if you like. DaltonCastle (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

It does appear we have arrived at a point where a third party could usefully contribute an outside viewpoint.Georgejdorner (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

• Third party requested to take a look at the issues raised. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

• I will admit I have to agree with DaltonCastle's criticism of the original hook. Not only for its vagueness, but also because this 'hero' does not play any role whatsoever in this article: it's the subject of another, subsequent article. Therefore, I'm approving ALT3 and ALT4. And by way of doing a full review: everything including - but not limited to - sources, QPQ and prose checks out. —♦♦ AMBER^(ЯʘCK) 21:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

• Fair enough. I wish to thank both reviewers for their efforts in developing better hooks.Georgejdorner (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

• To avoid confusion, I've struck all the hooks but ALT3 and ALT4, and removed the struck-out portions of those two approved hooks. I've also removed the DYKnom template, since it duplicates the DYKmake. (Self-nominated articles should only use DYKmake, not also DYKnom.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:13, 15 March 2016 (UTC)