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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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Parkala Massacre[edit]

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  • ... that Indian Prime minister P. V. Narasimha Rao called the Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh of the south"? Source: "Referred to as ‘Jallianwala Bagh’ of the south by former prime minister P V Narasimha Rao, thousands of Telanganites had sacrificed their lives at the altar of this struggle for the liberation of the region."([1])
    • ALT1:... that a memorial to the Parkala Massacre has been used as a platform by the Bharatiya Janata Party to demand that the state government recognize September 17 as "Liberation Day" of Telangana?
    • ALT2:... that former Indian Prime minister P. V. Narasimha Rao called Parkala Massacre the "Jallianwala Bagh of the south" (Jallianwala Bagh massacre was a major turning point for the Indian freedom struggle when British ordered firing on peaceful protesters killing 379 and injuring 1,200).
  • Reviewed: Not needed my first DYK

Created by Gbohoadgwwian (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC).

  • Interesting topic, but the article still has some issues. There's serious grammar problems: the first sentence should be "The Parkala massacre was the indiscriminate killing..." rather than "Parkala Massacre is the act of indiscriminate killing", which it is now, for example. If you are unable to fix these, I'd suggest asking the WP:GOCE, though that may be slower. The lead would normally not require citations, but in this case the lead is saying something different from the body, which itself is another issue (the body only mentions hoisting the flag; not the "public movement to merge the Hyderabad State with India". There's neutrality issues, too. The Nizam was an authoritarian ruler, but even so "It was a civil revolt against the Nizam's tyrannical regime" is too much. When you're using sources from the web (as four of your five seem to be) you really should be providing the url of the story you are using. Also, what is "Itihasa Samachar", and why is it a reliable source? Finally, you really need to check the article through, because even without the sources I found one factual inaccuracy: Advani was never Prime Minister, only deputy Prime Minister. Vanamonde (talk) 07:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • The lead is small but it is not contradicting the body, updated the first sentence as per your suggestion, also requested at goce. Itihasa Samachar is a journal, I got access to the offline copy that is how I researched the subject. I can upload scan of the article if needed. The source had deputy only, it is my mistake in hurry. Gian ❯❯ Talk 08:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I will wait on the copy-edit, as the grammar is still an issue. You don't need to upload a scan for the journal; offline sources are fine; but in the cases where you are using online sources (all of the others) you should provide a url. Vanamonde (talk) 09:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi, copy-edit done and urls provided for online sources. Thanks! Gian ❯❯ Talk 04:03, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gbohoadgwwian: The language is much better now. That said, the urls highlight some further issues, which is why I asked for them. The bit about the Razakars opening fire indiscriminately is (while probably accurate) cited to a source which is quoting an eyewitness, not saying it in its own voice. This needs to be fixed. The two sources which mention Narasimha Rao (and which could be used for the hook) use very opinionated language; they would get you hauled over the coals at WP:ERRORS if this were on the main page. A better source would be good. Finally, please Vanamonde (talk) 05:52, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Provided one more source from The Hindu supporting the hook. Two different independent sources in their published report mention the indiscriminate firing confirmed by eye-witness, I think it is just fine, if it is any better to you, I can put in "according to eyewitnesses"? Gian ❯❯ Talk 07:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • That's what I mean: the "according to eyewitnesses" is good enough, but a different source instead is also okay. Vanamonde (talk) 07:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I have added "According to eyewitnesses" as per our discussion. Thanks! Gian ❯❯ Talk 07:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • The hook is still a bit iffy in that folks who don't know what the Amritsar massacre was would have to click on the link, but there's no way to clarify that without becoming exceptionally wordy, so I'd say it's okay. Hook checks out, supported by the sources. Article verifiability and neutrality issues have been addressed. No copyvios that I can find. New enough, long enough. No QPQ required, no image is used. Good to go. Vanamonde (talk) 07:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
  • I've pulled the hook from prep due to concerns at WT:DYK that the hook may not be interesting to a broad, international audience. A new hook will have to proposed here. For my personal suggestion, I think a hook about its links to the history of the Hyderabad state or it being linked to a BJP platform to make September 17 a holiday in India might have broader appeal. Courtesy ping @Yoninah, Vanamonde93, Cwmhiraeth, and Gbohoadgwwian:. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I'm not a fan of this hook. Politicians use things to launch agitations all the time; and this isn't a campaign that has any particular significance. I think you should modify the original: add a sentence or two about Jallianwallah bagh to the article (you could say something like "Narasimha Rao called it the "Jallianwallah Bagh of the south", referring to ...etc" or even put it in a footnote) and then add a short descriptor to the hook. Vanamonde (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Added one more alternative accordingly, I don't know how to type footnote or integrate it into main text, can you please help with that? Gian ❯❯ Talk 08:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
This can probably be rephrased further since the subject-verb agreement might be off here (i.e. does the British slaughter refer to Parkala or to Jallianwala?). Of course, the hyperlinks would help solve that issue, but it can still be a bit vague at first glance. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Yes, your proposed ALT3 is along the lines of what I was suggesting, though I would replace "379" with "several hundred", because there's significant disagreement among RS as to total casualties. I'm still not too happy with ALT1; as I said, political parties launch agitations over any damn thing; but I won't stand in the way if that is your preferred hook. Vanamonde (talk) 05:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT4 is better, ALT5 is too long and not hooky enough. Though I suppose that in ALT4, 1919 could be added to the hook somewhere for contextual reasons. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Seems better. The hook is just within the 200 character limit. I'm a bit concerned that some might interpret the "referring to the 1919..." part as referring to Parkala, though I suppose that's what the hyperlink is for. Approving ALT4a. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:48, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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