User talk:20th Century (Zenhan) Art

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Welcome, etc etc etc -- and particularly welcome for your article on 安井仲治!

Your list of the photographers who appear in『日本写真家事典』is extraordinary. I'd never have had the patience to type in that lot. And you can't have scanned it, because the book doesn't have such a list to be scanned.

Category:Japanese photographers is slowly starting to grow. Personally I find Japanese photographers (or German photographers, or Lithuanian photographers, or any other photographers) hugely more interesting than such WP英語版 favorites as, say, Category:Star Wars locations; and I'm sure that at least a hundred Japanese photographers deserve articles here.

Incidentally, how do you like アサヒカメラ?

Happy editing! -- Hoary 13:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Kon-nichiwa, Hoary-san. Thank you for your message and your editing of Nakaji Yasui, Kiyoshi Koishi and Hakuyo Fuchikami. Although poor contents and poor English, I will write some more new articles on Japanese visual artists, including Japanese photographers.
By the way, I have another plan for my user page, whch only a VERY patient person can do. But please do not expect it.
I think Asahi Camera is a good magazine, but I see the magazine not so often, because this magazine is for persons who take pictures rather than for persons who see and criticize photographs.
Kongotomo Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu. --20th Century (Zenhan) Art 11:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! Sorry, I didn't so much mean the magazine Asahi Camera; rather, I meant the article about Asahi Camera. Actually I'd just finished creating it when I wrote that and was rather proud of it. Now it strikes me as presenting an opinion and thus as not encyclopedic. Still, it's my own opinion so I'll leave it for now (although of course I shan't argue when somebody else removes opinion).

Please don't worry about your English. Just do your best, and somebody else (maybe I) will come along a bit later and make any corrections that are necessary.

I do have one suggestion, though. You distinguish between "English references" and "Japanese references". Although I haven't seen many of the books that you list and therefore am not sure, I think that when you make this distinction you have Japanese readers in mind: "Japanese references" = 日本語あり, "English references" = 日本語なし. By this classification, the recent 共同通信 book about Yasui is a "Japanese reference". However, most readers of en-Wikipedia who see that book will be happy that it's in English, and only mildly interested to see that it's in Japanese as well. Therefore if you have a simple, two-way division, I think it should be a different one: (a) "In English" (with or without Japanese) / (b) "In Japanese only".

However, "bilingual" (?) Japanese books are a bit more complex. Take a look at 鬼海弘雄. Here I try to show just how much is in English; for example, Persona (the lavish first edition) is fully bilingual, whereas 『ぺるそな』 (普及版) has captions in English but texts in Japanese alone. I think that this information may be useful for people who can't read Japanese -- or who, like myself, are too lazy to read Japanese!

Happy editing. -- Hoary 22:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you again for your comments. Sorry for my misunderstanding concerning Asahi Camera. I thnik the article "Asahi Camera" is very good, especially comparing to the article "Asahi Camera" in Japanese Wikipedia. With respect to POV, I think some opinions may be included even in the encyclopedia and do not think the article "Asahi Camera" is much biased.
As to English (and also contents), I will expect your and other persons' corrections.
Further thank you for your suggestions on references in the articles. Following your suggestions, I have quit using "English References" and "Japanese References" and will try to add some explanations to each reference. -- 20th Century (Zenhan) Art 15:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


Welcome to enWiki - even though I see you've been here for a few months at least! As I guess you've noticed, I too am interested in photography in Japan (Japanese and non-Japanese photographers in the country), and I'm happy to see how well the articles you're working on will slip in between those that I and Hoary are working on - since I'm concentrating on 19th century photography and Hoary has been working on more recent photography (amongst other things). Anyway, welcome again, and if there's any way I can help you or that we can collaborate that would be great. Just a warning, I may ask you for help as well!;~) / (^_~) Pinkville 20:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your message, Pinkville-san. I am glad that there are not one but at least two gentle persons at enWiki who are interested in Japanese photography. I would like to write some more articles on Japanese photographers (and some other Japanese visual artists between 1920 and 1945). Please do not hesitate to revise such articles and give me your comments. And also please help me. Of course, I would like to help you, if I can do. Thanks, again. -- 20th Century (Zenhan) Art 03:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


前半さん, I've just noticed the existence of your monster list. I have the book, but it's handy to see all the content on the screen. Now, if only all those names were linked.....

I keep having name and ローマ字 frustrations. For one thing, the Wikipedia insistence on reversing the names of people born after 1868 seems silly. It's seems primarily intended to avoid disturbing the prejudices of lazy western readers whose prejudices must be left undisturbed. Although Hosoe, Kikai and others consistently write their romanized names in the Japanese order, WP ignores this.

True, other photographers reverse their names. I've recently come to think WP should give up any attempt to standardize and instead should follow the person's own practice (if he/she is known to have written the name in roman letters). WP already does this to some extent ("Eikoh" and "Hiroh" rather than "Eikō" and "Hiroo"). But what should one do with 東松, whose name appears as "Tomatsu", "Tōmatsu" and "Tohmatsu" (and for all I know also "Tomatu" or "Tômatu" as well)?

Back to the Jiten. Of course it must omit many people. Still, one big surprise for me is the omission of 浅井慎平. His work doesn't particularly interest me (though I think it's more interesting than that of most recent winners of the Kimura Ihei Award), but I think he was (rightly or wrongly) one of the biggest names about thirty years ago and I'm surprised that he's no longer even among the top three hundred. (Will "楽園" 三好 be remembered thirty years from now?) -- Hoary 00:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

New stubs[edit]

Greetings. I created new stub articles for the photographers on this list: User:20th Century (Zenhan) Art/Nihon Shashinka Jiten. All the best, – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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What you are really creating is lists of people. There is so assertion of a full country's history of photography. See my other edits on your pages. Am I missing something? Clubmarx (talk) 03:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Zenhan. I'm amused by the title of User:20th Century (Zenhan) Art/555 Japanese artists who Japan is proud of. To me, the notion of an artist that Japan is proud of sounds ridiculous or soporific. I'm sure that if it can be said that Japan is proud of any artist, it can be said of Higashiyama Kai, and how boring his work is. (No surprise that Akasegawa doesn't appear in the list!)

But your page cites some book with the very different (and bizarre) title of 世界に誇れる日本の芸術家555. How Japanese this is! The editor can avoid responsibility for the choice of the 555 by attributing it to the world (which, in a Japanese context, usually means foreigners).

Well, it seems from the list that, despite their lavish publication and exhibitions, the world (or, if you prefer, Japan) is not proud of Ono or Kusama. What a bizarre book! -- Hoary (talk) 03:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)