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Your submission at Articles for creation: Sky Wave Gin (April 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Passengerpigeon were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Passenger pigeon (talk) 13:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, ChallengerTwo! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Passenger pigeon (talk) 13:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Passenger pigeon (talk) 14:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sky Wave Gin (April 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by AngusWOOF were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This is still full of advertising verbiage throughout the article and needs to be neutralized in tone. This is also already covered by Bucknell, Oxfordshire paragraph

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sky Wave Gin and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Sky Wave Gin, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
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AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 2020

Hello ChallengerTwo. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Draft:Sky Wave Gin, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:ChallengerTwo. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=ChallengerTwo|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Hello. I noticed in one your edits that you declared a COI with Sky Wave Gin. While you might not have been directly paid for the article itself, you are still employed by the subject which means you have an indirect financial stake in the article. As such, this needs to be properly disclosed. Disclosing in just one edit is not considered proper disclosure. Please see the above links for applicable policy. Please understand that paid editing is highly discouraged and faces just about the strictest scrutiny there is in the review process. Please let me know if you have questions. Sulfurboy (talk) 22:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sulfurboy and thanks for your message and advice. I can confirm that I am NOT being paid, directly or indirectly, to make this entry. I have declared such in my userpage.

You have stated you are an employee of the company. That is considered by our policies to be an indirect financial stake in the company, thus making you a paid editor. Please take the time to read the above applicable policies and abide by our standards. Please do not continue to edit until this is done. Thanks Sulfurboy (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Sky Wave Gin has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Sky Wave Gin. Thanks! Sulfurboy (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Sky Wave Gin (April 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sulfurboy was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This fails WP:NCORP. With that notability standard we are looking for deep or significant, secondary coverage providing an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product/company.

The only sources that accomplishes this are the OX Magazine and Banbury Guardian articles talking about the company winning the award. However, it should be noted that WP:LOCAL coverage of a subject does not denote notability.

What we are left with is another OX Mag source that is a primary interview (doesn't demonstrate notability).

The rest are WP:ROUTINE award announcements that also do not demonstrate notability.

Please understand that the WP:NCORP standard is one of the toughest to pass, doubly so for a paid editor from that company.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Sky Wave Gin and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Sky Wave Gin, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Sulfurboy (talk) 23:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sulfurboy, thank you for your extremely helpful comments. I will review the links you included.

Notability

Hi ChallengerTwo, thanks for communicating with me and other editors regarding Draft:Sky Wave Gin. Unfortunately, as has been said in previous messages, it seems as if your gin is simply not notable enough (yet) to be included in Wikipedia, regardless of how well-sourced or neutral your article is, and the draft is almost certain to not be accepted. I would encourage you to wait for a while for your product to gain significant notability and only then try resubmitting a draft.

Thank you, Passenger pigeon (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear User:Passengerpigeon Thank you again for your comments and help.