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Ending sentence on an exclamation mark

Hi. I wonder if you can offer some (additional) input on the above question at the Language Reference Desk? Here is the link: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Ending sentence on an exclamation mark. Thank you! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Claude Houghton

Hello! Your submission of Claude Houghton at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:35, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Claude Houghton

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

thanks very much

for your good work at Harvey S Firestone Memorial. It was a work that I became very excited about and I don't always do my best work in a manic frenzy. Life is good, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:04, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

You're quite welcome; I've just been adding coordinates to some recently created articles. Deor (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates are all very fine.I was thinking more about correcting my attrocious, atrotous, atritious, very bad spelling and stuff like that. Carptrash (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	for all your hard work in adding coordinates to Dorset and Hampshire geography articles. Thank you! Bermicourt (talk) 17:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

was very confused by your coords update to list of works by bierstadt

until I realized you first updated the indianapolis museum of arts coords. I couldnt imagine how cut and paste would have *almost* the right numbers. in any case, thanks for fixing. ~~

You had inadvertently entered the coords in the template, as "39.8325, -86.18" rather than "39.8325|-86.18", which added the article to a category of parser function errors that I was reviewing. In the course of fixing that, I noticed that the coordinates of the museum were incorrect (as they were in the article on the museum itself, from which I presume you copied them), so I emended them in the museum's article as well as the list of Bierstadt works. Deor (talk) 13:14, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

USS Shenandoah (ZR-1)

Hello,

This edit broke the infobox (it wasn't closed properly, and so moved to the bottom of the page and merged with the commons links. Please pay better attention next time. Neukoln (talk) 06:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Conan Doyle

Wrote the libretto for Jane Annie so you are wrong. Please revert your edit.MacRùsgail (talk) 15:31, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

See WP:CAT#Articles: "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." Deor (talk) 15:36, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

That's good. You can add that reference to the article after you've reverted it. You obviously want the best from Wikipedia and wish to be helpful. -MacRùsgail (talk) 08

05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

That Conan Doyle once wrote the libretto of a pretty unsuccessful opera as a favor for a friend seems a fairly minor event in his life, and I really don't see where a mention of it could be inserted gracefully into the article. Note that WP:CAT also states: "A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc." I doubt that "opera librettist" would be considered by anyone as a defining characteristic of Conan Doyle. Deor (talk) 12:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

If he wrote a libretto, then ergo a librettist. Not what he's best known for, but then again, he's less known for his nutty fairy interests, than his ultralogical Sherlock Holmes... -MacRùsgail (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Templates

Thanks, that was the info I was after. There are a hell of a lot of templates, bet many of them are never used! Chrismorey (talk) 08:08, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for your work on Claude Houghton!

There are quite a few people I know who despaired that this article would ever get written. Well done! A tremendous start. --Brian Fenton (talk) 13:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I was recently reading some of his novels (I had read Jonathan Scrivener a number of years ago) and was surprised to find that Wikipedia didn't have an article on him, so I just threw together the beginnings of one. No great feat. It would be nice if someone could turn up reliable sources to fill out the biographical section somewhat. Deor (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

through

Talk page consensus only exists right now because admins keep closing the discussion without noticing the "relisted" part from two days ago. The song is titled "Journey through the Decade" in Japan where it was released. I cannot for the life of me understand why, despite the fact that I've provided a half dozen sources that show the title, "through" must be capitalized for a Japanese song. It is very clearly a deliberate choice and it's not just because the record label and every news agency I found has their own identical manual of style, thus requiring Wikipedia editors like myself to include this unnecessarily redundant piece of text. Why should Wikipedia come up with a form that has never existed just because some manual of style we copied says "prepositions of more than 5 letters must be capitalized"?—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

This is the third time you've started a requested-move discussion for that article, and on none of the three occasions has the article been moved. Changing the text to match your preferred form when the title hasn't been changed to that form smacks of petulance and pointiness. If you don't like the what the MOS says, seek consensus for a change at the MOS talk page; I don't think that it'll work, but doing so is certainly preferable to your taking out your frustration on an article. You've been around here long enough to know that that's not the way to do things. Deor (talk) 17:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Carrière des Nerviens

Hello Deor, thank you for your correction of the infobox. Cordially. Christian COGNEAUX (talk) 11:36, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

De rien. Deor (talk) 11:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Indian coords

Thanks for fixing the coords of an infobox I recently migrated. If you have time, the coords of Madina, Hyderabad and Lakkidi, Palakkad also need verification. I tried to correct the numbers as I migrated, but didn't find an accurate source in a quick search. I left some details on the talk pages, if you are interested. Cheers! -PC-XT+ 04:13, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I've had a look at both articles and tweaked the coordinates the best I could. Let me know if there are any problems with the new coordinates. Deor (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! They look right to me. -PC-XT+ 04:07, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

(Response to post on Killimordaly's talk page)

Thanks Deor. Unfortunately wiki doesn't break down County Wicklow by Historic Division - whether Barony, Poor Law Union or Civil Parish (there are two civil parishes named Kilbride, both with townlands and villages called Kilbride. I could simply tag it 'West Wicklow', but since this isn't an historic or official designation it would seem a bit vague. It would be more appropriate to list the Barony but.... I am trying to add a page listing the baronies civil parishes of Wicklow, which could provide a solution but having difficulty with the simple task of importing an Excel Table into Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killimordaly (talk • contribs) 19:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update

Hey Deor. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 21:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Washington

I realized that the page I was referring to, WP:MOSDAB, is in conflict with the page you were referring to, WP:HOWTODAB. According to WP:POLICYLIST, the manual of style has policy status, while the "how-to" page is just an editing guideline. I believe that when advice pages contradict one another, it's best to stick with the policy. If you disagree, please seek a third opinion; otherwise, let's stick with the strategy that policy says is less confusing, which is not to list redirects on disambiguation pages.--~TPW 12:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Even in WP:MOSDAB there's a subsection "Where redirecting may be appropriate" (at WP:DABREDIR) that says "when linking another disambiguation page" is an exception to the rule about eschewing links to redirects. (The "in the 'See also' section" part of that sentence may be taken as unduly restrictive, since "linking another disambiguation page" in fact links to WP:HOWTODAB.) I'm not going to edit war with you about this, but I am going to drop a note on the talk page to get other editors' opinions; and I think you should really reconsider your reversions. The inclusion of "(disambiguation)" in such entries is pretty much standard procedure on dab pages throughout Wikipedia. Deor (talk) 13:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I think seeking other opinions is the best course of action, because I read MOSDAB literally, i.e., link to the disambiguation if in the see also section, while you are choosing to interpret it broadly. I don't see the need to reconsider based on the policies I've read, but I always defer to consensus, since that's the mother of all policies.--~TPW 13:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Bob Jones U editing error

Thanks for fixing that text duplication error in Bob Jones University. I believe it's the result of a text editor bug in the iPad browser. I had a similar problem earlier this year with [1]. I'm not sure how to properly report this sort of error to WP tech support people. Any thoughts? jxm (talk) 05:10, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

I've seen it happen several times and wondered what was going on. (Sorry that I reverted whatever edit you were trying to make, but it's extremely difficult to look at such a diff and figure out what the intended change was.) I think the best place to bring it up is Wikipedia:Village pump (technical); if it's a known problem, someone there can probably explain it. Deor (talk) 06:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

What do you think of this?

What are your thoughts on this closure? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw that. The discussion dealt with a change in wording in the Manual of Style; and that change was, to my mind, certainly supported rather than precluded by the RFM response that Krakatoa Katie referred to in her closure. (It was noted there that the MOS already supported the lowercasing of the in "the Beatles", so I can't see how making MOS/Music less ambiguous in that respect would violate the letter or spirit of the RFM decision.) I don't know KK's motivations, but her closure seems to say that the wording of MOS/Music can't be decided by a consensus in a discussion on that page's talk page—a bad precedent indeed. If she thought that the change ran counter to the RFM decision, she should have made that case in the discussion itself, giving others the opportunity to refute it, rather than using her opinion to close the discussion against consensus. Deor (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Perhaps you would consider weighing-in at the ongoing closure discussion. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:28, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Krastata Kazarma

Hey, thanks for fixing the coordinates on article Krastata Kazarma. During my last saved edit I didn't use preview, so I noticed something went wrong just after I saved the edit. I noticed that I forgot just the "E" argument after the longitudinal values, and I actually added it, but forgot to press "Save page", because I had Facebook open in another tab and two friends were messaging me. I totally forgot about the article, but after I closed Facebook I returned to the Wikipedia tab and clicked "Save page" only to find that you already fixed it. Plus, you made it much more properly than me (I still haven't learned how the coordinates thingy in Wikipedia works...) So, thanks :) (I'm explaining all that because I don't want anyone to think that I would leave an article in a broken state without trying to fix it. That should teach me not to procrastinate urgent edits. And also, not to allow Facebook to distract me... Though I am prone to be very distracted most of the time, unfortunately...) 77.70.30.216 (talk) 13:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. I just happened to be checking this maintenance category of coordinate errors shortly after you made your edit. (The reason I didn't just add the missing "E" but changed the coordinates to decimal form was to locate the building a bit more precisely on online maps.) Deor (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Vedanta Society of New York

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Sardhana

Hi Deor! I attract you mind at Sardhana page where you undid my revision yesterday. I want to know you the fact that a mahapanchayat held at Sardhana tehsil at Meerut district. that's why i add this fact to this page. Thanks --Prateek Malviya (talk) 06:08, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Reversals

Hi,

Thanks for helping, but I'm checking them and would rather fix them. Would you avoid reverting the edits? -- 签名 _sig at 16:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

If a holiday occurs on the same date every year, what exactly is the point of an infobox field specifying that its next occurrence will fall on the next instance of that date? I can't imagine anything more useless. Deor (talk) 16:37, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

It can be added to your calendar in one click.-- 签名 _sig at 16:42, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Cheshire Correctional Institution

Thanks for filling the geocoordinates for me. I was just creating some sandbox pages so that I could eventually remove the redlinks on Connecticut prisons, but any help is welcome. Eggishorn (talk) 20:50, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

It would be better if you just left the "coordinates" field blank until you're ready to actually add the coordinates. Using the {{coord}} template with x's in place of the proper coordinates clutters up Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags and makes it more difficult for people who patrol that maintenance category to identify pages that may actually need attention. (And your inclusion of <ref>[http://www.ct.gov/doc/]</ref> with no {{reflist}} tag is probably cluttering up some other maintenance category.) Deor (talk) 21:04, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I did not know that sandbox pages were listed on any maintenance categories. I will address that now.--Eggishorn (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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You undid an edit saying Aphrodite,Ares,Persuas etc aern't children of Zeus (in the page of Apollo)

Of course they are if you see Artemis's page (who is a twin of Apollo) it is stated that Aphrodite, ARes, Heracles,Persuas etc. are siblings of Artemis. Or if you go to Zeus's page you can see them in the children section.

So next time if you wanna unedit someone's edit please confirm it :)

good day — Preceding unsigned comment added by Percyjackonlover (talk • contribs) 13:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

And unsourced there as well. Look at Muse - no suggestion there about being siblings of Apollo. Being led by Apollo, being Apollo's daughters, yes, but siblings? Same for other entries. Dougweller (talk) 16:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Coord templates

hi Deor, thank you for your message. I tried putting the correct format for the template but could just not figure it out. Thank you for explaining it to me. Gryffindor (talk) 16:01, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Also thanks for the Somali Pirate edit. KellyCoinGuy (talk) 03:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

You're both quite welcome. Deor (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Anger

Obviously you have issues with me so get them off of your chest and we can try to rectify the situation. As you do a lot of work with coordinates and geo articles I'm guessing that you've formed some (wrong opinion) of me based on short stubs I created years back in an effort to try to address systematic bias on here and remain somewhat angry at me because I didn't write fuller articles on them which has shown itself during the AFD. I agree that it wasn't the best approach to encyclopedia building but I've done a lot of good work here, more than my fair share, and it is most unsettling to see such a rather nasty reaction from yourself. What's the problem?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I, in fact, ran across the Festival Theatre article while I was doing coordinate work, and I nominated it for deletion before noticing that you were the article's creator. (I found that out only when I went to notify the article's creator of the deletion discussion.) In general, I try to stay away from your articles, as slipshod stubs and the like, created without much attention to sourcing and without any effort to flesh them out into anything like encyclopedic material, do tend to get on my nerves, no matter who is responsible. I can do no better than to keep trying to stay away, though I occasionally have added coordinates to articles of yours without noticing who was the creator. (Because of your haste in expanding it, the Festival Theater article could stand a good deal of copyediting, by the way.) Deor (talk) 13:06, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

You do realize that people think you're really obnoxious, I've had several emails to that effect. Are you one of those people who just sees everything negatively? I've always been on good terms with User:The Anome who is the main coordinate guy on here, and to my knowledge he's never treated me like you have, in fact I believe he complimented my efforts to at least try to work towards addressing systematic bias. You do realize that none of us are being paid to work on here and are no obligation to add bugger all to our articles. As for my flaws, I had to do basic formatting on one of yours earlier, do us a favour and stick to coordinates? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Bicorn

Hi Deor, unfortunately I don't know anything about bicorns except for Lydgate's poem...but from the context of Chichevache and Bycorne it's obviously supposed to be a bull, not a unicorn with two horns. I don't know what the image is or where it's from, and I don't know why an archaeology museum would have a medieval tapestry, but there are lots of other museums in Dresden. I have no idea, sorry! Adam Bishop (talk) 07:00, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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Mornington railway station

In response to your merger proposalTalk:Mornington railway station#Merge discussion dated June 16 2010,I have merged the two articles in the same way you had suggested. Deor there is currently a backlog of 11,750 articles to be merged awaiting someone to merge them or remove the merge tag if the consensus has denied merger. I am working to clear this backlog . Deor it would be a great help to wikipedia from your side if you also contribute your valuable time in this merger work.Skr15081997 (talk) 11:25, 16 December 2013 (UTC)