User talk:Elliskev/Archive 2

John Flaherty

Hi. I am still having serious probklems navigating the "talk" sections and getting down the hows and wheres or communicating with fellow authors so forgive me.

I was curious about your views on the BCE/BC CE/AD issue as it relates to the entry on Jesus.

Thank you. —the preceding unsigned comment is by JohnFlaherty (talk • contribs)

John Flaherty

Thank you! I appreciate your advise. As I see it, it DID come down to a vote for the Jesus entry, and there were some accusations of vote fishing as well.

Thanks

Well I intend to stick around, but as I noted earlier I'll have to go away later today. In about an hour infact. :D Thanks, Chooserr 00:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

For your support on the MetroStars vs RBNY issue. It's been a tough week for us Metro supporters, and many of us are having a difficult time with the transition, which for many will never occur. Every bit of support, for whatever reason, helps. DR31 _(talk) 15:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Thanks for welcoming me back. I hope to stay it's just that I have a lot of users following me about...any way how are you doing? And what are you currently working on? Anything I might be able to help with? :) Chooserr 01:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

New Catholic Collaboration of the Week!

I just wanted to make you aware of the new Catholic Collaboration of the Week, and invite you to participate! --Hyphen5 20:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Lansing Cricket Club

I thought I would inform you of this article for deletion nomination on the Club, as you had contributed to the article. Tyrenius 04:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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Home Brewing

I didn't know that I deleted your comment regarding mead making. sorry. It must have been a problem with us both trying to post at the same time. - Dmcalist 11:59, 12 May 2009 (PDST)

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== AGF

I politely suggest that you assume good faith before making accusations. My change to User:Chooserr's talk page was done in good faith and is absolutely not any form of vandalism. Thank your for understanding. Al 21:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Civil

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Though there are certain exceptions, it is generally considered uncivil to delete messages on your talk page without response. Thank you for understanding. Al 21:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Your warning to Alienus

Ellis, I don't think Alienus would have had to research too hard to figure out where you're coming from on this. You can't scream to the world "I am X" and then act indignant when others repeat it back to you.

Anyhow, I've posted on Alienus' talk page regarding this dispute.Timothy Usher 02:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Elliskev

Thanks...I agree, but since my userpage has caused so much controversy I think I'll keep it deleted until I can make it more neutral - maybe not express so many beliefs. Chooserr 01:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Civility warning

It seems to me that you have acted in an uncivil manner on User_talk:Chooserr. It is important to keep a cool head, despite any comments against you. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and action can be taken against the other parties if necessary. Your involvement in attacking back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors, and lead to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! Al 02:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Eliskev, I noticed you replaced your message of encouragement to Chooserr. I appreciate your show of solidarity, and I too am happy to see Chooserr hang in there, but I don't think it's productive to call people "nothing but jackasses". Eventually, isn't the solution for us all to stop saying things like that? -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is. You're right. --Elliskev 12:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the return advice. You're right, of course. I'm more personally involved in Alienus' case than maybe I should be, and I don't consider him a troll, just an editor with some mistaken ideas about how to navigate disputes on a Wiki. It'll be interesting to see how he responds to this RfC they're putting together. Constructively, I hope. -GTBacchus^(talk) 19:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

calm down before you get banned

idiotic? [1] judging from the other remarks left on your page, you are an absolute douchebag, and the one person who sounds like a troll is yourself. according to Wikipedia: Civility you need to stop being an ass and watch your back. and no, that was not an unfounded, racist remark, but rather a persistent and not fully disproven rumour which i have read several times and wanted some kind of discussion on it. i have nothing against asians and you are being reported. grow up or leave. Joeyramoney 23:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

You know, you undermine your own position when your accusation of incivility lacks any civility of its own. Maybe you should both calm the fuck down and leave each other alone. Ok? Al 02:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Cross posted to User talk:Joeyramoney.

I concur that Joeyramoney's comment on Talk:Abortion was a little bit too sensitive, and not necessarily the most productive way to handle that situation. That said, your post on his talk page is most assuredly a personal attack, and you are now being warned to cease and desist. I am especially not impressed that you posted this far more serious assault on Joey's user talk page, where it would presumably attract less attention than on the article talk page. I see from your talk page you have been warned before; take this one to heart and try to be more civil in your dealings with others. And one final note; age is completely irrelevent. One of the admins I most respect is 16 (15 when he made admin) and one of the trolls I block on sight is over 50. Maturity, not age, is the focus. KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Fine. I'll ignore questions along those lines. Next time someone asks if it's true that the Chinese (1 billion people) eat aborted fetuses, I'll assume good faith. --Elliskev 23:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. There's really no question stupid enough that it should shake our AGF. The best response to the question was to provide a quick and definitive answer; any editorializing about the questioner is superfluous. -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. I'll think before I comment next time. I'll make an attempt to keep my focus on article improvement and good will. I think I have a pretty good track record, despite the two incidents in the last month. I appreciate the comments I've received and will apologize to Joeyramoney for my uncivil comments. --Elliskev 13:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well done. :) KillerChihuahua^?!? 14:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Parks

Thanks for all your work on MI parks. Please, however, don't add images to the infobox - this is supposed to contain the map under the standard developed by the WikiProject. Rmhermen 20:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Catholicism Assessment

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yousaf465

the portion "and the occupation of Shebaa Farms, a territory which they consider Lebanese despite the United Nations' rulings that it is occupied Syrian territory" is conterversial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yousaf465 (talk • contribs)

Thanks. I responded on your talk page. --Elliskev 19:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

EC

Sorry, Edit Conflict. Cheers, Tewfik^Talk 21:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL. No problem. My initial reaction was a restore with a pissy edit summary. Good thing I got an edit conflict. --Elliskev 21:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Reporting Vandalism

Thanks for help. Ronan.evans 01:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

From Cerejota's talk page

So we both have a record, from my talk page: --Cerejota 23:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

(refering to the 2006 Israel-Lebanon crisis)

We're probably on opposite sides of the matter. I'll disclose that I'm 100% pro-Israel. I just wanted to commend you on your civility and display of patience regarding the current events. Thank you for maintaining reason, while maintaining your convictions. --Elliskev 22:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

We are indeed opposite in this matter. I also thank you for "maintaining reason, while maintaining your convictions". We must understand the role that wikipedia plays, and what this means. We all have places to vent our opinions, and to debate, but wikipedia's aim is not to be this. What we, coming from opposite sides, must attempt is to reach a neutral point of view that allows the facts to surfrace, which we can then use to learn and formulate our own opinions further.--Cerejota 22:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mel Gibson: RE scaling down the nn folks and nn crit

Well done. I was inclined to do it myself yesterday when they started being added, but felt instead more balance and fairness could be maintained with some 'defensive' contributions (hardly encyclopedic in practice - but nor were the original additions for the most part other than to pillory Gibson). I'm glad the section has now been trimmed down, though I expect there'll be a flurry to re-add more public condemnation on the basis that it can be "sourced"/"verified", regardless of its encyclopedic worth.--Koncorde 02:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

Elliskev, I wanted to inform you that I have accepted your request for mediation, and I will begin work on the talk page of the Gibson article. --LawrenceTrevallion 04:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I will leave the case going for a while. --LawrenceTrevallion 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mel Gibson

I didnt understand the link you placed on my talk page; that discussion was focused on antisemitism and my recent edits have been related to the "sugar tits" issue issue. Could you clarify? Thanks. Interestingstuffadder 02:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks again. Interestingstuffadder 14:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Grammer that doesn't quite pass muster

"I'm not sure that passes the mustard as a reliable source"

To indicate that the source is unreliable, you would say it either doesn't "pass muster" or doesn't "cut the mustard", the former being more correct in formal language.

"Passing mustard" only happens at the dinner table.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.7.55.34 (talk • contribs)

I know that. Thanks. By the way, it's Grammar. --Elliskev 14:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Chris/IRC

[2] Please come to #wiki-hurricanes on irc.freenode.net so we can settle on an agreement. – Chacor 01:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Redirects

Hi Elliskev: just letting you know about a little bit of Wikipedia policy:

There should never be a need to replace redirect with redirect.

That's from Wikipedia:Redirect#Don.27t fix links to redirects that aren.27t broken. See you around! —Mets501 (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I don't understand what I'm supposed to do after a page move, then. Why does it advise to fix double redirects? --Elliskev 21:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought I was doing this - changing B to C:

How to fix a double redirect

• Suppose page title A redirects to B which in turn redirects to C.
• Follow a link to A. You will see a page containing: (a) the page title B; (b) a large link to C; (c) a very small notice in the corner saying "redirected from A".
• Click the "A" in "redirected from A".
• You will see a page containing: (a) the page title A; (b) a large link to B.
• Click "Edit this page" and change B to C.

--Elliskev 21:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Redirects

Sorry, I guess I don't understand what I'm supposed to do after a page move, then. Why does it advise to fix double redirects? --Elliskev 21:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you talking about this diff? --Elliskev 21:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The fixing double redirects part was perfect. I was talking about diffs like this, where you are changing the link from Northwest Airlines Flight 42 incident to Northwest Airlines Flight 42, where Northwest Airlines Flight 42 incident redirects to Northwest Airlines Flight 42. That is not necessary. The other part (fixing double redirects) was great :-) —Mets501 (talk) 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. I always thought redirects were supposed to be avoided where possible. ---Elliskev 12:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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Move Roman Catholic Church to Catholic Church

There is a vote at Talk:Roman Catholic Church: A Vote on the Title of this Article on moving Roman Catholic Church to Catholic Church. You are invited to review it. --WikiCats 03:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know...

I did take your comment at Wikipedia talk:Protecting children's privacy lightly. I just feel very strongly that this proposed policy is flawed, possibly unsalvageably so. I've yet to see a good reason why we need this; we're not in the business of protecting kids, what actions we could be taking to help do not need policy to enforce or can be enforced under other policies, and if these were necessary measures then it wouldn't be us volunteer editors forming the policy. With that point of view in mind, seeing a suggestion to prevent me, an adult in mine and Wikipedia's jurisdiction, from disclosing my age feels like oppression for oppression's sake. BigNate37_(T) 21:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I understand your concern. --Elliskev 23:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy

Hi. You contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy. If you have the time and interest, I'm asking contributors to past a brief summary of their position on the proposal here, thanks. Herostratus 20:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your nice note! Herostratus 08:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Civility

First off, great nonsensical title for your comment. All I wrote in my edit summary was "Revert. Unexplained decategorization." Second, I wasn't the one who snapped. I was nice. I even said "Please". Then, he comes at me with statement which basically means, "Don't revert me, you informed jerk. I was in the right." I replied fittingly. Also, I doubt he needs any encouragement in the bold department. Now, could you not question me over this? It's not your job, anyway. You're not an admin. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 18:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. I wasn't paying attention. It's kind of hard to take a guy who thinks spreading "civility" on Wikipedia is his obligation seriously. Also, adding a new section by editting an old one isn't always the best way to go on talk pages. Try clicking the + at the top of a page. Now, since turnabout is fair play, how about I give you some unsolicited advice? Lay off this gay little mission of yours. And hey, if you really want to do something that'll help the project, get users to leave message on GIPU talk pages when they revert vandalism. More unregistereds avoid banning because of lazy Wikipedians only concerned with an article or articles, not seeing that the vandal stop. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 19:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

ACS, this is a consistent problem with you; you constantly behave rudely. Evern when questioned about it, you're act flippant. Take a hint, please. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. At least people always know I'm being straight with them. Even you drop the pretenses, Chris-man, like right now. This guy just kept on using the pretense of "civility". I'd hope for a natural reaction like..."I'm reporting you" or "Fine. Be a jerk". Instead, I get, "Have a nice day!" How can I respect someone who acts like that? It's like he's a friggin policitian! ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Trust me. It wouldn't help if I chose hypocrisy over being sickeningly polite. Elliskev 23:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I notice you just gave me my "last warning". Tell me, what exactly does that mean? Ace Class Shadow; User talk:Ace Class Shadow. 03:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

For the sake of clarity, I'll answer here.

You have been rude and incivil to editors new and old. The rudeness to seasoned editors can be overlooked as a character flaw. The rudeness to new editors cannot. You have admonished new editors with incivil threats for edits made in good faith. This is unacceptable. This project thrives on the ever-increasing pool of editors. Your admonishings (as juvenile as they are) serve nothing but to deter. Your juvenile admonishings hurt the project.

SO. What exactly I mean. Knock it off, or I'll request community comment. Not very scary I know. But, it's how this project works. Elliskev 03:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Revolutionary?

Lol, I don't think that's quite the right word, but thanks :). Maybe I will resume activity, but then again I don't know. Most of the articles I used to edit are changed so much that they are unrecognizable...and in some ways I don't want to get too caught up in this again. Anyways, I'm planning to make a small edit to the Elizabethian Era article now. Viva la revolucion! Chooserr 07:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

..

What would you do in my place? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I would refrain from the derisive comments. I would refrain from telling others to ask for permission to be bold. I would make an attempt to show a little respect for the dignity of well-meaning editors. There is no edit that can't be undone. Insults can't be undone. Elliskev 19:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, that whole "be bold" thing is help newbies get the friggen balls to do easy, simple, non-controversial stuff. And as for undoing insults, check the page. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Replied on yours. Elliskev 19:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

...

that wasn't a test newblet that was a true fact the people mover is a stupid name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.108.162 (talk • contribs)

Peer review

You listed the peer review correctly. The WikiProject Birds peer review is new (yours is the first request) and most people are not aware of it yet. You may also leave a link at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds to gather more attention to the review.

Personally I will try to review the article sometime this week. Leave the review open for two weeks, that should be enough time for people to read and assess the article. Joelito (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for your quick response. Elliskev 16:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Illinois services articles

I'm not so sure about merging them; I'll have to think about it more and I'll leave comments on the appropriate talk pages as I get to it. My first thought is that each named passenger train should have its own article. The fact that a service received an official name is generally enough for me to accept its notability. However, that said, I usually defer to my own "culturally or historically significant" rule of thumb for inclusion. This is a bit fuzzy, but I basically decide if a potential article topic has some significance and either include the data in an existing article or write a new article based on this question. I dislike the proliferation of subway station articles as an extreme minority of stations would fulfill my own notability requirements, but the consensus so far (which has been thoroughly discussed elsewhere) is that all subway stations are notable. So far, the number of passenger train articles and their scope has remained at a somewhat more reasonable (I think) level.

As to a trains MOS, I started one some time ago with my own editing thoughts, but it hasn't gotten very far (and doesn't include much on passenger train articles or styles yet). Slambo (Speak) 21:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. BTW, I'm perfectly happy going along with whatever is decided on. However, whatever is decided on should probably be noted somewhere so there's a precednt for the sake of uniformity. --Elliskev 21:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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wikEd

The wikEdlogo

Hi, I have seen that you are using the Cacycle editor extension. This program is no longer actively maintained in favor of its much more powerful successor wikEd.

wikEd has all the functionality of the old editor plus:• syntax highlighting • nifty image buttons • morefixing buttons • paste formatted text from Word or web pages• convert the formatted text into wikicode • adjustthe font size • and much, much more.

Switching to wikEd is easy, check the detailed installation description on its project homepage. Usually it is as simple as changing every occurrence of editor.js into wikEd.js on your User:YourUsername/monobook.js page.

Cacycle 21:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedster (comics)

Hi. Sorry to bother you, but it looks we might have an edit war at speedster (comics) between myself and Ace Class Shadow. If you could chime in with your opinion on that article’s talk page, so that we can achieve some sort of consensus, it would be appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream 10:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I've been off for a few days. I went to the talk page and it appears that you guys have worked it out on your own. Good job.

By the way, I'm not on any arbitration task force or anything. However, I'm willing to make an attempt to smooth thing out upon request. Not sure how effective I'd be... :) --Elliskev 14:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Diocesan Infobox

To the members of the WikiProject Catholocism

I have proposed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Catholicism an infobox for Catholic Dioceses. I have not gotten any feedback on this proposal, so I’m culling feedback, advice, corrections, etc. for this. If you have the time, would you check out User:SkierRMH/Diocese_Infobox and give me some feedback! Thanks much!!

Warnings.

I've treated people who add bogus info to ZT2 the same way for many a time, with the Moronator approach, and no one's EVER complained before. Don't back the spammers.

whats the deal with you?

Why are you deleting all my posts at will? Are YOU the sole authority on what is right and wrong? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FyT (talk • contribs) 15:00, April 19, 2007.

Responded on your talk --Elliskev 20:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)