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AIM-174 Pre-Move Review Discussion

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Howdy,

Thank you for your review of the AIM-174B move request and I apologize for bothering you yet again. As per WP:RM I am initiating this talk page discussion prior to initiating a move review request. Your closing reason would seem to support my original request (a move to AIM-174). We needn't have any discussion regarding variants in the future if the page is not named after a specific variant. Per WP:CONSISTENT, no other missile page is named after a particular variant. The AIM-54A and B variants were phased-out; Should the article be named "AIM-54C?" That's my line of thinking, anyways. Per WP:CRYSTALBALL, we should not be assuming that the "B" variant is the only operational variant (indeed, we do have confirmation of the XAIM-174B, CATM-174B, and DATM-174B, of which the AIM-174B is a derivative of — at least of the XAIM-174B) especially when it comes to a 'special access program.' The 'B' is also an uneeded WP:DISAMBIG. In-response to the opposing viewpoints: "AIM-174" is freely-used among sources[1][2][3] and in response to the idea that "assuming there are other variants is WP:CRYSTALBALL" — using "AIM-174" is not inherently assuming there are other variants. It is the name of a missile. We just so happen to only be aware of a single operational variant. I would argue that — as I said previously — specifying "B" in the title is actually the crystal ball violation, adding an unnecessary disambiguation to a known practice of how missiles are named. Additionally, WP:CONCISE should be considered, and WP:PRECISE is not violated with "AIM-174" as it is the name of the missile and it does not disrupt locating the article. Also, I would like it to be noted and taken-into consideration that the page was moved to "AIM-174B" without discussion. It was not a technical move, and a discussion should have been opened per WP:MOVE. If anything, the page should be reverted to the original name, minus "air-to-air missile" per CONCISE. I think that about covers it, thanks again!! MWFwiki (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MWFwikiThanks for the thorough explanation, I think that might warrant re-opening the discussion with this info you sent me, to enable the participants to consider this (especially the part about the undiscussed move, which I was not aware of and probably would/will have a measurable impact on the outcome of the RM)
Sorry if I caused any disruption, I will go ahead and reverse my close shortly. ASUKITE 20:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, appreciated :) MWFwiki (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.realcleardefense.com/2024/10/04/navys_new_aim-174_vlraam_could_pierce_chinas_anti-access_bubble_1062926.html
  2. ^ https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-very-long-range-aim-220539674.html
  3. ^ https://www.yahoo.com/news/aim-174-missile-seen-super-161323697.html

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Additional Redirects for the Damn Damned..

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Hey, thank you so much for your help in sweeping up that mess.

I was just unchecking the other redirects off my watchlist though, and one of them was still a double redirect. There were a few others as well. Just thought I'd let you know, and ask if you wouldn't mind fixing those too? (Or just wait for the inevitable bot cleanup? Haha.) In any event, here they all are:

--Cinemaniac86TalkStalk 16:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.
All other combos of These Are the Damned are definitely not in existence…thank heavens, haha. --Cinemaniac86TalkStalk 16:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cinemaniac86 Thanks for letting me know, I try to fix as many of the redirects as I can manually as the bot can take days in some cases. As for the redlinks, all case variations (and even some spelling/punctuation differences) are handled automatically by mediawiki, so if you click those links they will not work, but any entry into the search bar should still properly redirect, rendering those unnecessary. ASUKITE 16:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Move review for AIM-174B

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An editor has asked for a Move review of AIM-174B. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. MWFwiki (talk) 23:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

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Thanks for listing the AIM-174B discussion at the Close requests page. I wasn't even aware that page existed. And yes, I realize that it would have been improper for you to close it at that point. I was just hoping you or the other user knew of a way to expedite getting it closed. And you did. So thanks. BilCat (talk) 02:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RE: Talk:LVOA-C

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Please note: There hasn't been any discussion yet, the other comments immediately below the move template are from 2017. I made the mistake of posting the template at the top of the page, but nothing else there is related. I have moved it to the bottom again, as it should be, and re-merged my duplicate comment. I apologize for any confusion. - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adolphus79 No problem, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I don't make my own share of mistakes around here, and I didn't even notice that the content from the top wasn't actually part of the discussion. I just didn't want the discussion to end up delayed due to that, thanks for letting me know! ASUKITE 14:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's actually what made me move it, because the comment immediately below now appeared to be related to the request at first glance. - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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