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This is a little late, but I just want to wish you welcome on Wikipedia. As editors here soon notice; this can be a very though place at times. At the moment the weather is quite stormy in the I/P-section, more so than I have experienced in quite a while. To "survive" here, you really need the skin of an elephant...and to be able to forget past grievances. Just these last couple of days User:Amoruso, User:Breein1007 and User:Drork have been blocked for longer or shorter periods. But still, 5 out of 5 requests at the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement-page presently relates to the I/P-area, and I have a feeling that most of the admins are getting *very* sick and tired of us all. In short: I think we all can expect a very short fuse when it comes to pushing the block-button. Right and left. But... wikipedia is not the place for those who expect justice done in all matters! It just isn´t. I know it sounds tough (and it is), but this is just a fact we have to learn to ignore.

Anyway; I work (mostly) on the 1948 "depopulated" -villages, and then I try to give the non-Jewish towns/villages in Israel their is *very* much needed! I hope you stay, I hope you can move past what has happend...and, if there is anything I can help you with, feel free to ask! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC) PS: BTW; I should introduce myself: I´m Scandinavian, female, old enough to be the mother of many of the admins here,..and I do not speak/read Arabic or Hebrew... but if you want anything translated from Danish, Swedish, Norwegian or New-Norwegian; then I can help!

April 2010[edit]

Information.svg Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. You may strike your own comments; you may not remove them since others have replied and it makes no sense if only part of the discussion is there. They're still in the history anyway, so there's just no point removing them. If you wish to withdraw your complaint, fine. Rodhullandemu 16:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The short version of Rodhullandemu's comment is this: you can strike your comments, but you should not remove them after they've been both read and responded to, particularly by more than one user. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Listen to Huldra below; are you sure you want to keep going along the path that you've embarked on? Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Fine, just let it be known that I made an attempt to remove them.

I'll probably been banned for comitting the horrible crime of... COMPLAINING ABOUT ADMINS

Good, I am sick of this meritlessocracy, where the people who actually create the articles get treated like dirt...

I am proud of my contribution history and I stand by it.

Factomancer, please! can´t you just step back, for say, 24 hours? I would love to cooperate with you on articles...but if you are set on committing "wikikiri"; then none of us can help you. And Wikiproject:Palestine *needs* you! So please step back, will you? You will not be of any help for us, if you continue this way... Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok... if someone else really, honestly wants me to remain on Wikipedia, I will. Ttell me what you want me to do to resolve this situation and I will do it. Factomancer (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

First you need to take a break :) Go do some exercise, get some food, watch a docu, talk to some friends or write a bunch of image release requests to B'tselem and HRW(those phosphorus ones would be nice). You are pissed off and rightly so, but that doesn't make editing while pissed off any more helpful. Kind Regards, Unomi (talk) 16:55, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I honestly, honestly want you to remain here! Sooo, could you please, please for the next 2 days: turn your back on all the drama, follow the advice of Unomi, ..or concentrate on writing articles, do not write on anyones talk-page (Except people who will much welcome you, like, Tiamut, Yazan, Unomi, Nab, myself). If there is something admins (and others!) are very sick of right now, it is if people are making "dramah" ...even if they have plenty of good reason to make "dramah"! It is just the way wp works. It is very much "shut up..or get out". And there are plenty of people here who will rejoice if you are banned! I am sure you know you really want to give then the satisfaction? Think, lady! As I said, Wikiproject:Palestine needs you, and you are no Goddamn use for us if you are banned. Ok? Sooo: for the next two days: only article -writing, if you are on wp at all! (Take the AN/I and other such pages off your "watch-list!" Just ignore it. ) Unomi gives good advice too: image release requests? Or say, do you want to help me with the 1948-villages? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I really want you to stay too Factomancer. I haven't had much time to edit articles as of late (work stuff), and we could really use your help at User:Tiamut/Aga (for example) or Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine/Architecture of Palestine (which has been under development forever and needs someone to give it a kick), or many many others. I appreciate all your contributions here, but advise you to focus on these less contentious type articles for the next little while so as to avoid having to interact with people who are out to make trouble. I agree you have been treated very unfairly, but there is no justice on Wikipedia, just like in the real world, so let it go for now and continue doing what you do best - creating content, not feeding the drama mongers. Warm regards, Tiamuttalk 17:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Hint: All the articles under Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine/Article drafts needs work...cheers, Huldra (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok. If you want me to stay, I will. But I know the way I act on Wikipedia has to change and it has to change permanently.
I will take your words to heart, because how things are is really hurting me. Factomancer (talk) 17:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I learned a lot from Nableezy about how to have a sense of humour about these things. It used to hurt me a lot too, but it doesn't anymore. Its just a website and people can be cruel because we are not speaking to one another face to face and there's a lot more mistrust and jumping to conclusions this way (we can't hear the tone of one another's voices or the looks in each other's eyes). But you have to learn how to not let it get to you or how to disengage when it does. Its very hard (and I'm still not always so good at it sometimes to be honest) but it will help you to cope here if you just breathe and learn to laugh at the absurdity of things when absurd things happen. Hang in there sadiqa. It will get easier with time. Tiamuttalk 21:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

24 hour interaction ban blocking.[edit]

For your ANI report. Striking at a later time does not nullify original intent and impact, nor does a self imposed (though well advised) Wiki-break negate the need for interaction ban enforcement. Remember, the ban allows you to notify one admin, not blanket ANI-posting. Unblock template available as always. ----

WP:ANI notice[edit]

I have initiated a discussion of your interaction ban at ANI. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry I can't join the discussion, but I've had enough drama for a lifetime. Factomancer (talk) 16:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Request for MEDCAB Mediation[edit]

The request for mediation concerning Israel and the apartheid analogy, to which you were are a party, has been accepted. Please watchlist the case page (which is where the mediation will take place). If you have any questions, please contact me.

Ronk01 (talk) 03:13, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Mediation: Israel and the Apartheid analogy[edit]

Just an FYI, we are running a straw poll on title choices on the mediation page - see Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2010-04-14/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy#Straw_poll_on_titles. If you pitch in a vote or three, we can move this along. Face-smile.svg --Ludwigs2 06:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a reminder: you have not yet voted on the straw poll. If you don't, your voice will not be heard on this issue, which would be sad. Cry.png. --Ludwigs2 06:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

another topic[edit]

Hi. I just joined wikipedia earlier today and I've been trying to add some additional information on the "Art Student Scam" article that you created. I noticed that in the history of the article, your coverage of the spy ring was much more thoroughly detailed but now it is mostly gone gone for an article that isn't neutral and has obvious flaws. I attempted to expand the article by trying to add a link to the 60 page dea study, I used quotes from an article entitled "The Israeli "art student" mystery" from and also added information from a fox news article. Three different users than ganged up on my edits and deleted everything that I had added to the article. I re-added my edits, then they reported me. They said the reason was pov and afd.Your earlier edits to the article were a much more apt description of the spy ring. The current article lacks deapth and seems like an attempt to obscure the actual story. I think the users who ganged up on me have political views that are interfering with their objectivity.

Could you help me out by letting me know what you think of my edits and if these users are bullying just to paint the story in a biased light possibly because of nationalist zeal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preciseaccuracy (talkcontribs) 16:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on closure of Israel and Aparthied mediation[edit]

Current consensus seems to be to move the article to Israel and Apartheid with an appropriate disambiguation line to prevent any misinterpretations. Please weigh in over the next few days. --Ludwigs2 17:11, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Your message[edit]

Check your e-mail for a response. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


The fact that the interaction ban is being enforced strictly against me and admins are refusing to enforce it against the other parties has made it impossible for me to contribute material to Wikipedia. It is a community ban in all but the title. The admins are like police who ignore the people punching me but arrest me as soon as I raise my hands to defend myself.

Most of my block history constitutes punishments for "violations" of this interaction ban, most of the violations very trivial, by admins Georgewilliamherbert and Sandstein. They have been loathe to apply the same exacting standards to the other parties of the interaction ban. Any time I start editing an article the other parties of the interaction ban can start edit warring against me and reverting my edits and I will be unable to discuss their edits with them or revert their edits without violating the interaction ban. In this way the interaction ban is being used by some as a de-facto sub-rosa license to kick me off Wikipedia without the proper process of a community ban.

If I am to be kicked off Wikipedia, fine, but I expect due process, not this abuse of an interaction ban.

I have created the following articles on Wikipedia, most of which are high quality, extremely well-sourced and are thoroughly neutral:

   * Created OPV AIDS hypothesis.
   * Rewrote Weak reference.
   * Rewrote State space (controls).
   * Rewrote 1982 Lebanon War.
   * Created Palestinian freedom of movement.
   * Created Israeli settler violence.
   * Created Israeli settlement timeline.
   * Created Israeli settlement population graph, used in Israeli settlements.
   * Created Israeli settlements, Palestinians, and human rights.
   * Created Ommatoiulus moreletii.
   * Created Munich: Mossad's Revenge.
   * Created 1950-1951 Baghdad bombings.
   * Created Americans for Middle East Understanding.
   * Created Abbas Shiblak.
   * Created Operation Damocles


The fact of the matter is that Wikipedia is openly hostile towards the Palestinian narrative. This is encouraged from the top-down, from <redacted> Jimbo Wales who claims that Wikipedia is biased against Israel, despite the massively disproportionate numbers of pro-Israeli editors and articles compared to the small number of pro-Palestinian editors and articles. This is no surprise, since Ayn Rand, the founder of Objectivism, was blatantly racist against Arabs, a people she described as "primitive savages" with an inferior culture who deserved their persecution and displacement. Not only has Jimbo Wales <redacted> he has personally protected the JIDF page, an organization of <redacted> that have openly attacked Wikipedia and many of its editors and which did much to spread the rumour that Obama was a Muslim during the 2008 election (and still believes that to be true).

Personally I am happy to have contributed a great deal to Wikipedia, since I have improved my English by writing WP articles, but I just don't see Wikipedia being a useful publisher to write for any more. It's the only publisher of material in which you can painstakingly strive for neutrality, consult a great deal of literature and write a well-sourced article that displays a complicated understanding of a subject only to watch your work being graffiti'ed over by people with infantile minds and obvious biases. It's like painting a masterpiece only to watch toddlers "improve it" with crayons.

And it has been an interesting lesson in humanity to see how people behave in groups when they have no real consequences to their actions.


Some powerful and truthful words here above. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Frankly, how is it that 'my side' so often complains that there is a pro-Palestinian preference and 'your side' complains of a hostility to Palestinian issues. Anyway, there is one line that is quite misleading: disproportionate numbers of pro-Israeli editors and articles compared to the small number of pro-Palestinian editors and articles. I have remarked many, many times that the pro-Palestinian editors are obsessed with writing negatively about Israel rather than creating and maintaining 'Palestinian' articles. You can only blame 'your side' for that. Go through the user contributions of people on 'my side' and you'll see a consistant pattern of not editing 'Palestinian' articles. Go through the user contributions of people on 'your side' and you'll see a consistant pattern of editing 'Israeli' articles. Your personal creation list is not medal of honour to your side. Nableezy will pipe in and say that Israeli settlement articles are in fact Palestinian articles, but that just is another form of denial. The famous Golda Meir saying applies 100% { here] (replace children instead with articles). I challenge you to come back after your block, go to the 'outline of Palestine' article and create articles to get rid of redlinks. The choice is yours. --Shuki (talk) 14:19, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The recommendation seems sensible. However, some of the above is factually incorrect: "Go through the user contributions of people on 'my side' and you'll see a consistant pattern of not editing 'Palestinian' articles" is not consistent with the big colourful thing in the top right here:" --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. The exception that proves the rule. --Shuki (talk) 21:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I have redacted a couple of lines above as people have complained of their being in violation of WP:BLP. nableezy - 15:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I have redacted the personal attack that was in violation of the interaction ban. Mbz1 has done great work with images so it could also be debatable on whose contributions are better. A worthless conversation to start.Cptnono (talk) 18:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Factomancer, I'm taking you as your word, and that you have left for good. However, I've blocked your account for a month, because of the personal attacks in your leaving statement. PhilKnight (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
A little odd that you would unilaterally impose this block without someone lodging a complaint PK. Also a little odd that you would delete Factomancer's comments. Sure they maybe on the harsh side, but I don't think they qualify as so grossly insulting as to merit an admin stripping them from the user's own talk page. I'm pretty sure Mr. Wales' skin is thick enough to slough off this kind of diatribe. Stripping the comments stinks of WP:CENSORship. NickCT (talk) 17:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The complaint was lodged on my talk page, which I accept is unusual. Also, I've partially restored the paragraph. PhilKnight (talk) 18:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
PhilKnight - Thanks for restoring. You are a scholar and a gentlemen. NickCT (talk) 19:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Operation Damocles[edit]

RlevseTalk 06:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Factomancer/The Invention of the Jewish People[edit]

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Dispute resolution survey[edit]

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Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite

Hello Factomancer. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

Please click HERE to participate.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.

You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 01:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)