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A runestone saga[edit]

If you are interested in a dramatic Norse saga on two women in 11th century Sweden, there is something as unusual as a completely historic one told on a series of runestones: Ekerö Runestone, Färentuna Runestones, Snåttsta Runestones, Broby bro Runestones, Harg Runestones and Uppland Rune Inscriptions 101, 143 and 147. The story has a continuation in the famous Jarlabanke Runestones, but I have not written that article yet ;).--Berig 00:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

naming conventions[edit]

I couldn't help noticing how much polemics do the naming conventions make, so I thought I'd better move one of the articles I've started, Þrúðvangr, to Thrudvang. I was asked to ask an administrator to do it, and nothing better than an Icelandic administrator to this case =). But there are some things still unclear to me - according to some guidelines I read, it would be better to move Þrúðvangr to Thrudvang, as an English would be more familiar to the latter. Then I came across Þrúðheimr, that had been moved to Thrúdheim and then back to Þrúðheimr basing his edit in one of the guidelines, even though Thrúdheim is more legible. Which makes me unsure on whether move Þrúðvangr or just leave it as it is. Furthermore, Zoëga states that Þrúðvangr is the same as Þrúðheimr, which messes things up even more. Would you clear this up? Ciacchi 19:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Canute the Great[edit]

Could you take a look at the current state of the Canute the Great article? WikieWikieWikie's been at it again, and I raised some issues with his changes on the talk page. His writing style probably needs some work as well.--Cúchullain t/c 20:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Jarl Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragvaldsdotter[edit]

Hello! May I direct your attention to these two new articles: Jarl Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragvaldsdotter. These two people well deserve their own articles, and I have been thinking long about writing them myself. Now that they have appeared, they have spawned a small disagreement about naming. I would personally like to move them to Knut Haakonsson and Ingrid Ragnvaldsdotter. Since I consider you as something of an authority in the field, would you like to have a look at the two discussion pages, and see what you think? --Barend 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your removal of protection from search engine[edit]

You recently removed semi protection from search engine. Since then it is receiving about 1 spam edit per day. I would really appreciate if you put this protection back in. A large number of anonymous editors (IP only) routinely place external links to commercial sites on this page. By routinely I mean daily or sometimes more than once a day. These editors have little to no interest in adding to the encyclopaedic value of the topic. I, along with 3-4 other editors, check this page on a daily basis to remove the spam. The moment the page was semi-protected in the past our workload dropped significantly. The day you removed this semi-protection the workload increased again. Can you put it back? PLLLLEASEEE :P Josh Froelich 19:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. In the three days since I unprotected the article there has been one insertion of a spam link and one other vandalistic IP edit. That is well below the level where semi-protection becomes desirable. Haukur 21:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A debate[edit]

Hi Haukr! I am having a discussion with an adherent of the Götaland theory who is resorting to personal attacks at Talk:King of the Geats. You are very familiar with medieval Scandinavian sources and if you are not too busy, could you please check whether I am not discussing too rashly and if needed mediate?--Berig 22:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I tried reading the discussion and I'm out of my depth! Haukur 22:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
It is a regionalist crank theory which claims that medieval Scandinavian sources lie or are forgeries and want to place the origins of Sweden in Västergötland. In its most extreme version, it maintains that even Norse mythology originated there. This article explains it well.--Berig 13:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Zero sized reply?[edit]


Ég gerði tilraun til að bæta grein og fékk svarið, sem stendur í fyrirsögninni. Hvað veldur? Er maður með eða ekki? (Ég var loggaður inn, þegar þetta gerðist.)


Io 14:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Mormon article[edit]

Just letting you know that vandalism has started creeping up on the article Mormon since the semi-protection was taken off. I'm not sure what the next measure would be to do if it persists or becomes unmanagable/unreasonable. It would be really helpful if you would keep the article on your watchlist for a little bit just in case things get out of hand. You probably are already doing it, but I just thought I'd ask.

Thanks for your help, Kothar 20:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I have it on my watchlist now. In my opinion the level of vandalism is still below the level where we should semi-protect again, but probably not by a large margin. If you feel the need for semi-protection now you should also feel free to ask other admins to do it. Haukur 18:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'll give it another two weeks and then see if the vandalism seems unreasonable. On another note, I'm decent at referencing the various statements within an article. Wikipedia is pretty large so I'm not sure where to start but feel free to post links to any article on my talk page that you would like to see better referenced. Kothar 22:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi Haukur,

Do you knwo if the Marmennill listed here (one of the few red links left in the chart) is the same as what is defined here? Should it be mentioned in the article, or is it only folklore?

Thanks. Sigo 17:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Another red link[edit]

In the same list (artifacts), what do you think Misteltein refers to? The mistilteinn that kills Baldr? Sigo 19:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry to chip in here, but Mistelteinn is possibly the sword Hrómund took from the undead witch-king in Hrómundar saga Gripssonar.--Berig 19:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
You're right. Thanks. I'll try to write something about that soon. Sigo 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
You are doing great work, Sigo :).--Berig 21:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. So are you, of course. I try to do my best, though not Scandinavian :) Sigo 21:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Help required[edit]


Could you please give your opinion about this and that. I don't have that much time to work on Wikipedia so when I come here, it's to contribute to articles, not to waste my time repeating what I've already written before. I've already left the French Wiki because of this kind of discussions, and I wish I could stay there longer.

Thanks. Sigo 15:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, I'll try to help. Haukur 16:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks. I like people telling I'm "really absolutely right" :) Sigo 17:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Codex Runicus[edit]

I was looking at the Codex Runicus article and it looked like the second half had been written by someone with considerably less command of English that you seem to have, judging by other things you've written. I tried to clean it up, but my knowledge of the subject is limited.

I addition, there was a paragraph in there that was not in English. I suspect it was in Danish, but I don't know that for sure. Would you mind taking a look at the artice and my comments on the Talk page? If I've bungled something, I hope you'll fix it; but in any case, it might be useful if you could take a look at the non-English paragraph I removed (I put in on the Talk page) and see if it's something that needs to be translated and put back in.

Thanks! —CKA3KA (Skazka) 22:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your work on the Codex Runicus article. It's much clearer, now. I'm not quite sure what to do with those citations. If they're legit, then I'd hate to lose them; but I don't know how to figure out what part of the article they're meant to reinforce. I'll dig around and see if I can find any direction. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 02:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I've taken a stab at putting those citations back into the article using citation templates, but the results don't look right to me, and now I'm out of time. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 03:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Wesley Clark[edit]

  • I've made a proposal on the FAC, if you'll check it out. Thanks! (sidenote, it might be time to archive this talk page, it's getting long! :) ) Staxringold talkcontribs 19:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi Haukur,

Since you're the only contributor to this redirect, could you please delete it so that I could move Tyr to Týr? Thanks. Sigo 15:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

D'accord! Haukur 16:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Merci. Sigo 17:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for excellent research on the Kjárr-article!! You convinced me, at least. :-) JdeJ 00:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Guardian Council[edit]

You deleted "Vicious Circle" section without any discussion. Please revert it enabling everybody to discuss it and come to agreement about it. Farhoudk 19:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I left a rather detailed edit summary - and my point had already been made by another contributor on the talk page. Basically I think that discussion of the large amount of built-in inertia in the Iranian political system is justified - but it has to be sourced to reliable sources, not be presented as original research based on the constitution. The primary sources can certainly be used and quoted but they should be applied in the light of secondary sources. Haukur 20:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Your above opinion never mentioned by other editors. You would better include it in the discussion page instead of removing the section in advance.
There are very good secondary references from various Iranian political parties which I am going to add it. But it was better The Behnam and you did not remove the section and add a citation tag on it instead, allowing me to have enough time to respond and to add some extra references. Best. Farhoudk 05:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Please see for several references about "Vicious Circle". In Persian language they call it تسلسل or دور معیوب or دور باطل. Also please take a look at the impolite wordings used by The Behnam. Best. Farhoudk 14:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


It might be a bit late but any way congratulation for getting the Battle of Svolder to FA. It is a great article and a great read and I think you did a superb job. Kyriakos 07:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


I've never taken anything from another site. I've rephrased things but never directly copied things. Is rephrasing considered plagiarism? Perl 05:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

U-hljóðvarp og því um líkt[edit]


Ég hefi verið fjarri býsna lengi og geri ekki ráð fyrir að staldra lengi við um sinn, en þú getur frætt mig um a.m.k. einn hlut: Er baráttan fyrir samræmdri stafsetningu fornri glötuð?

Beztu kveðjur Io 21:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Steinn Steinarr[edit]


Ég jók aðeins við síðu Steins. Vildirðu vera svo vænn að líta yfir það? Ég er ekki ánægður sjálfur.

Cheers Io 22:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Spánverjavígin og DjVuLibre[edit]


Ég fæ meldinguna, að það vanti forritsbút hjá mér til að skoða heimildina, sem þú sendir mér hlekk í. Ég skrifa þetta á fartölvu með Ubuntu, en ég fæ sömu tilkynninguna eftir að hafa sett upp DjVu. Veiztu, hvað er að?

Kær kveðja Io 17:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

RFC/discussion of article Sulla[edit]

Hello, Haukurth. As a prominent contributor to Sulla, you may want to be aware that a request for comments has been filed about it. The RFC can be found by the article's name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found on Talk:Sulla, in case you wish to participate. Thank you for your contributions. -- Nick 15:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sigurdur Thorarinsson[edit]

Hi Haukur, I appreciate your improvements to Sigurdur Thorarinsson, the first sentence is better now without the footnote. Perhaps you are aware from the edit history that User:Edinborgarstefan suddenly moved the article without any prior discussion to Sigurður_Þórarinsson (where I had already set up a redirect) and proceeded to "Icelandify" the entire article. Needless to say, I was not pleased by this unilateral conduct with no discussion whatsoever, and I left a lengthy note on his talk page.

Since you are a longtime Wikipedian and an admin (and I've only been contributing here < 3 months), I would appreciate your views on Icelandification of WP articles. The biggest problem is that the characters "ð" and "Þ" do not render properly in older browsers. For testing my own website, I use many browsers including an old 2002 version of Internet Explorer, since many people around the world continue to use older computers and outdated software out of necessity or poverty, and it is important to support them. The characters "ð" and "Þ" look horrible in those older browsers, and the page becomes so ugly that it is difficult and highly unpleasant to read. After Sigurdur Thorarinsson had been renamed and altered, it was a complete mess in older browsers due to those changes (see this screenshot I have temporarily uploaded). That unreadability and the severe lack of courtesy displayed by making a unilateral undiscussed move is what caused me to react so strongly on Edinborgarstefan's talk page.

Do you think it is a good idea that so many of the Iceland-related articles on WP (i.e. those which have been fully Icelandified) have thus been mangled for many users throughout the world? No one is going to want to read an article that looks like that screenshot, and so information about your country and its culture is less accessible to the masses. This is probably not the outcome that Icelanders on WP intended when they undertook to Icelandify so many articles. Not to mention the frequent violations of both Wikipedia:Naming conventions and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) in these article titles.

I have no desire for conflict on WP, especially with people from a unique and fascinating nation which I hope to visit and ski many of its volcanoes and icefields. Please let me know your opinion on this issue. My own view is that over-Icelandification is a Bad Thing, as is the use of other characters in article titles which are ill-supported in older browsers (such as ß, which has apparently caused lengthy discussions and renaming battles on many Germany-related articles). It is clear from his talk page that Edinborgarstefan holds the opposite view, and has pushed his POV on this issue several times before. I wish to avoid any conflicts with him or other Icelanders if I should happen to write any more Iceland-related aricles (on volcanoes, glaciers, or geologists are the most likely areas where I might do so).

Thanks, --Seattle Skier (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


Would you mind re-adding the notice for the Jimbo Poll? One day isn't enough, especially as many, many, many more regulars edit during the work week... and will see it then. - Denny 21:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


In that case, could you please comment about the image on the section on the talk page? Thanks. Picaroon 21:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your Message! Gaman að sjá þig![edit]

Wow! Nice to meet you! Are you Icelandic??? I am really really glad that a user from Iceland left the FIRST MESSAGE for me! (Icelandic People are my fabourite people! haha..) As you may see already, I've just created my account, so I still don't know much about Wikipedia,,,(But I'll try to do my best...) I am from Japan, so I may know something about Japan...haha (I currently live in Canada though...) Anyway thank you for your message, and see you! (Þakka þér fyrir!) Kazuse 01:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Bruce Haslingden[edit]

If there's precedent for inclusion, then fair enough. Is there a consensus / policy / guideline regarding blanket notability for Olympic competitors? - Tiswas(t/c) 23:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it. But I felt this was enough of a borderline case that I would be overstepping my role as an admin in speedy-deleting it. I'd like to encourage you to take the article to AFD. Haukur 00:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Will do - thanks for the info (and Hi - forgot that bit earlier) - Tiswas(t/c) 00:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The article is now at AfD. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bruce Haslingden. --Eastmain 03:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Well done! As I suspected opinions are mixed on this. Haukur 08:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Norse history and culture wikiproject[edit]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Vikings and Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Scandinavia both appear to be defunct at this point. I would like to set up a new Wikiproject to oversee articles on ancient and medieval Scandinavian and Nordic history that would cover what these inactive projects used to. There are literally hundreds of great articles on obscure sagas, historical figures and the like (largely through the efforts of such users as User:Berig and User:Wiglaf). Since you have edited many Norse-themed articles in the past, I would be interested in your thoughts on how best to proceed. --Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 21:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I've thought about this sometimes but not quite been able to convince myself that there are enough editors for a worthwhile project. I'm also not as active as I used to be. But if you do start a project I hope it does well. Haukur 22:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Opps. I was trying to update the count, but I'd been looking at an old revision and I screwed up. Thanks. --Gmaxwell 01:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I am very grateful for the message, and I hope my comment, on my user page and the RfA talk page, will begin to reassure you that I intend to take the criticisms seriously. Danny 22:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Well three months minimium and I have other things to do at the moment athough thanks for the thought.Geni 16:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Iceland[edit]

Hello. Please have a look at the recent contributions of the editor who half-removed the prod: Special:Contributions/ The prod removal looks like more vandalism. Also, please note what the prod tag says:

If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article, or if you otherwise object to deletion of the article for any reason. To avoid confusion, it helps to explain why you object to the deletion, either in the edit summary or on the talk page.

So we really should keep the prod tag up for now since, as you noted earlier, it's worse than no article at all in its present state. If the author(s) objects, then let's come to a consensus about what to do. Thanks, Clicketyclack 18:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern but the rule with prod has always been that anyone can remove the tag - even shady anonymous editors who don't provide a reason. The pertinent part from the quote above is "You may remove this message ... if you ... object to deletion of the article for any reason." I still think the article should be deleted but at this point we have to bring it to AfD if we still wish to pursue the matter. Haukur 09:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, scratch that. It seems the article was copied from here so I've speedied it as a copyvio. Haukur 09:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Well spotted, thanks. Clicketyclack 11:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norse history and culture[edit]

Thought you might be interested in contributing... Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Keith Peck[edit]

Can you please explain why it is that you do not approve of a QUOTES section with a referrence to the website as well as a link to a gallery of bows. I started the page, so I believe I know what I am talking about. It seems to me, that you are the one vandalizing this page by deleting relevant information about an American Master Bowmaker.

If you have suggestions about adding information, I welcome that. But deleting relevant information is vandalism in my view. User:Milliot 16 April 2007 (UTC) User:Milliot 16 April 2007 (UTC) User:Milliot 16 April 2007 (UTC)

TeckWiz's RFA[edit]

Hey Haukurth. Thanks for supporting my unsuccessful RFA this week. I hope to keep helping and improving Wikipedia alongside you. --TeckWiz ParlateContribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 01:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Shirahadasha RfA thanks[edit]

Thanks so much for taking the time to comment on my my RfA, which was successful. I learned a lot from the comments, I appreciate everything that was said, and I'll do my best to deserve the community's trust. Thanks again! --Shirahadasha 05:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Gardnerian Wicca[edit]

I'm sorry to say, I think your reversion is wrong. Gerald Gardner DID use the term Witch Cult regualrly in his written works, and if I had one on hand right now, I would be putting citations in for it. It is not pejorative to use the term cult, from an anthropological viewpoint.--Vidkun 13:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, go right ahead. I can be a bit trigger happy when doing recent changes patrol... Haukur 13:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Got it. I see where you were coming from, assumed good faith (that you considered cult pejorative). I'll work on citations when I have my books in front of me.--Vidkun 13:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Iceland[edit]

Maybe you are interested in this project... --Michkalas 14:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


I'm of two minds. As far as literature is concerned, we certainly don't need both categories. But Category:Viking Age poets is probably useful as a subcategory of Category:Viking Age people. Ráði aðrir... Sigo 15:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the star! I appreciate it. :} :bloodofox: 19:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar awarding[edit]

o0o my first barnstar lol, I'm gonna print it off and frame it! Thanks :-) Mentality 12:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

Hi Haukr. Could you please move Wayland the smith to Wayland Smith? It appears to be by far the most common form of his name[1].--Berig 17:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Ah, I see Brian has already done it. Haukur 20:37, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Haukr! I feel quite finished with Norn at the moment. Maybe it'll help more people discover the beauty of eddic poetry. If you have the time, please don't hesitate to add information or fix mistakes.--Berig 20:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Norse history and culture[edit]

Hi Haukr, I wonder if you would like to join this project. You are really needed on board, and I think that the project serves a purpose on Wikipedia.--Berig 17:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, if you say so :) Haukur 23:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Great! :).--Berig 00:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


I believe nouns ending in -is (-ις) imply feminine gender and are diminutive. I can't check it further right now; you can revert it if in doubt. Crvst 17:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for your update on Goðafoss! This is a location I am very interested in. I am also very interested in actually seeing some sort of image of these wooden statues I keep reading about. I am aware that one of them can be found at the Danish National Museum but it was not on display last time I was there.. Maybe you know of an image somewhere or where more, if any other surviving ones exist, can be found? Also, do you know where a complete listing of all discovered Mjolnir pendants can be found? There seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding these hammers. :bloodofox: 06:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

Dear Haukur, if you have time time, could you please move Dísir to Dís in accordance with the naming policy?--Berig 11:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Though I'm not totally convinced it wouldn't be more natural to have these pages at dísir, nornir etc. *shrug* Haukur 11:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Haukur. That said, I would like to add that I totally agree with you. However, it feels strange to navigate between Dísir, Valkyrie and Norn when the last two are in the singular and the first one is in the singular. OTOH, Nordisk familjebok's entry for the Dísir is in the singular Dis.--Berig 11:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


Huh? <looks through page history> ... Eh, odd edit-conflictish thingemebob while I was messing with the page style. (if you'd been following the talk page, you'd see I've been working on the layout). Why didn't I get an edit conflict message? Way odd!

I do agree the old wording is better. Note that it was Tony Sidaway who made he edit stating that IAR is the oldest policy.

--Kim Bruning 16:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, sorry for being testy. Haukur 17:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of the article CCleaner[edit]

Hiya. As suggested on the deletion review metasite I'll bring this up on the deleting administrator's talk page first, e.g. here. You deleted the article CCleaner based on the two years old AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ccleaner. While you are following standard procedure, I'd like to express my belief that (claimed) 65+ million downloads from the official site and 3.870.000 Google hits suggest that the notability of the application has been established since April 2005. Or have I misunderstood the criteria for software notability? --Servant Saber 18:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

If you can demonstrate that the product meets Wikipedia:Notability_(companies_and_corporations)#Primary_criterion then you're good to go. Haukur 01:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)