User talk:Hearvox

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Editing with a possible conflict of interest[edit]

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.--SamHolt6 (talk) 22:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SamHolt6: Thanks for your welcome. I have no COI, financial arrangement, or external relationship with the organization that is the subject of this article, Draft:Headwaters Economics. Details are in my reply below: User_talk:Hearvox#March_2020. —Hearvox (talk) 22:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Headwaters Economics (March 13)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Sulfurboy were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

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Sulfurboy (talk) 01:51, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Hearvox! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Sulfurboy (talk) 01:51, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sulfurboy: Re: reliable sources: The references in the article are mostly to these established media outlets: ProPublica, Bloomberg News, The Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, The Washington Post, NPR — all listed as reliable sources by Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources (a recommended reference from Wikipedia:Reliable sources). The other sources are government agencies (NOAA, US House of Representatives, Montana Legislature, University of Michigan), a respected newspaper (Denver Post), and an established data-visualization tool (Tableau Software). As recommended, I tried to refer to "a range of independent, reliable, published sources". A few referenced sources were to the organization itself: I have since replaced all but one of those with U.S government and media links. As far as I can tell, every reference source in this article is reliable, as defined and documented by Wikipedia. Please advise whether you agree. Thanks. —Hearvox (talk) 21:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sulfurboy: Re: NPOV: I apologize if the article "appears to read more like an advertisement". My intention was an "entry in an encyclopedia… written from a neutral point of view". I have made changes to address this. Each sentence is a statement of fact. Each fact cites a reliable source, so "other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source" (Wikipedia:Verifiability). Where possible I used wordings taken from that reliable source for each statement. The sources together, as you advocate, "refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources". I did a lot of research to ensure the article conveys "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic" (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). I modeled the article after entries for similar research groups, using their section heading names (e.g., Brookings_Institution and Environmental_Working_Group). Please advise as to how I can further improve this article's NPOV. Thanks —Hearvox (talk) 00:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March 2020[edit]

Hello Hearvox. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, such as the edit you made to Draft:Headwaters Economics, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Hearvox. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Hearvox|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Sulfurboy (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sulfurboy: Thanks for your quick review and detailed response. Re: your COI concern: I have no financial connection, directly or indirectly, to Headwaters Economics, the subject of this new article. I have neither been paid nor do I expect compensation for writing the article. They are not my employer or client, nor do I have any affiliation with the organization. However, in past years I did some part-time web-development work for them (back-end programming). That work ended last year and will not continue in the future. I purposely waited until I was entirely unaffiliated with the organization to write this article, so I would have no conflict of interest. I believe Headwaters Economics notable and worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, as do other Wikipedia authors, who use them as reliable references, see Olympic_National_Park#cite_ref-headwaters_4-0 and Environmental_issues_in_Wyoming#cite_ref-2 (which I'll link upon publication of this article so it won't be an orphan). In another message, I'll respond to your other concerns (reliables sources and tone of article) and suggest fixes. Thanks for the work you do. —Hearvox (talk) 18:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Headwaters Economics (May 4)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by RoySmith were:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please list in the comments here the WP:THREE best sources to demonstrate this meets WP:NORG.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Headwaters Economics and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Headwaters Economics, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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-- RoySmith (talk) 12:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Thanks for the opportunity to leave WP:THREE proving the WP:NORG of the Draft:Headwaters Economics organization. I'm listing URLs of searches at NY Times, Washington Post, and NPR to demonstrate how these major, reliable news sources regularly quote Headwaters Economics research. (Many other major news sources which cover topics like rural economics, public land use, and wildfires similarly use HE.) The fact that notable, reliable, major sources often depend on HE studies must make HE itself notable. Here are search results for "headwaters economics" at:

—Hearvox (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hearvox, Could you please provide three specific articles that you would like me to review as sources? Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Sure, here's three news articles which quote both Headwaters Economics researchers and their Headwaters Economics research results, at NPR, WaPO. and NYT. Thanks for giving them a look. Hearvox (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hearvox, Thank you. I have left my comments on the draft. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Headwaters Economics has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Headwaters Economics. Thanks! -- RoySmith (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Headwaters Economics[edit]

Hello, Hearvox. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Headwaters Economics".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:52, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Headwaters Economics has a new comment[edit]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Headwaters Economics. Thanks! TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Headwaters Economics (July 30)[edit]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by HighKing was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

The topic is about an organization therefore must meet WP:NCORP guidelines. NCORP requires (at least) two references that contain *both* in-depth information *about* the *organization* and "Independent Content" (see WP:ORGIND for explanation). Notability is not determined by the volume of references, but the quality, so adding more references relying on announcements, interviews, etc, doesn't help when assessing the criteria for notability. None of the references in the article meet the criteria, as they rely on announcements or information provided by the company.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Headwaters Economics and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Headwaters Economics, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

HighKing⁺⁺ 12:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Headwaters Economics[edit]

Hello, Hearvox. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Headwaters Economics".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]