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Hi Chris,

I am a little confused about what we can use as references. Can we only use free papers? Or can we use ones we can access through JHU? Are we allowed to use text books?

Thank you for the clarification! Laurenwking (talk) 05:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

You can use anything you like, as long as they qualify as "reliable sources" (textbooks are great). The issue of licensing (free vs. not free) only applies when you want to include content into articles -- like figures or videos. But with references, you are just gathering the information and rewriting and summarizing in your own words (being careful not to plagiarize, of course), so the source does not have to have any special license. Does that answer your question? See Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources if you want to know more about what qualifies as a "reliable source". Klortho (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the clarification. That makes sense to me!Laurenwking (talk) 16:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chris, I have a question on the same topic. If we use a scientific paper for a source, should it be a review paper or does it matter as long as we aren't writing about original research? Thanks! Aluquette (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Aluquette, Sorry it has taken me a couple of days to get back to you! Reviews are better than primary research, yes. That doesn't mean you *can't* use a primary research paper, but you should use your discretion. Reviews are better, because, as we all know, a lot of the findings of primary research do not withstand the test of time. Hope that helps. Klortho (talk) 03:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
That makes sense. Thank you! Aluquette (talk) 14:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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Image Question

Hi Klortho, I'm a little confused about what kind of images we can use. I know they can't be copyrighted, but if I find a website that has an image, or an image in a google search, that does not have the copyright symbol on it, can I assume it's not copyrighted? For example, this website has a nice diagram of genomic library construction, but I can't tell if its copyrighted. Thanks, Aluquette (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

No, you can't assume that. Things are copyright by default; it doesn't matter if they don't have a copyright symbol on them. In this case, you could contact the creator of those figures, which looks like it is probably this guy:, and ask if he'd be willing to release them under a liberal license and put them on Wikimedia Commons. You could upload them for him, with his permission, or he could do it himself. Klortho (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification! Aluquette (talk) 01:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Reference Question

Hi Chris, I changed my sandbox to have another entry for my unit 5 PubMed Assignment (see PubMed Assignment 2). Can you tell me if this is now correct for using the Diberri filling tool for the first reference? Also, how do I add to the same reference (the superscrit letters) when using the same reference? It's straight forward using the "citation" tool but I don't know how using Diberri. Thanks! DCDougCovert (talk) 20:38, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that looks great. To add another reference to the same source, just use an "empty ref" tag with the name, like this: <ref name="pmid20822440"/>. Notice that the tag uses "/>" at the end, instead of ">". Give it a try and let me know if you have a problem. Klortho (talk) 12:21, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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A Patent Reference

Hi Chris, How do I insert a reference for a patent? Also, I have beeen referencing from the Watson textbook and it gives the superscript letters. How would I just have the specific pages from that textbook only?Thanks!DougCovert (talk) 15:53, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

For citing patents, try this template: {{Cite patent}}. For citing the same book many times, with each citation using different page numbers, the citing sources page suggests that you use footnotes with short citations (see the examples there), but I don't remember seeing those very often in these articles. I will ask Keilana to comment, too, maybe she knows. Klortho (talk) 01:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey Doug! I agree, {{Cite patent}} is the way to go. You have a couple options for citing the same book several times, unfortunately both require a bit of extra work on your end but it'll make the references a lot easier for the reader. My preferred method is [[Wikipedia:List-defined references|list-defined references}}, where you put your citation template of choice at the bottom of the article (like a bibliography) with the added parameter |ref = harv and then use a shortened citation template in the article that has the specific page numbers. You have two basic options for templates. You can use {{Harvnb}}, which looks like this in the edit window: <ref>{{Harvnb|Lastname|Year|p=##}}</ref>. It's pretty intuitive. The other option is {{sfn}}, which is what I use in a lot of articles I work on. When you're editing, you don't need the <ref> tags, all you do is type {sfn|Lastname|Year|p=##}} where you want the footnote to appear. Check out Aries (constellation) to see how it works in an article, and if you do take that route, feel free to ask me for help implementing it.
Your other option is basically doing what you're doing, but adding page numbers to the {{cite book}} template and then renaming each individual reference. So you'll have a bunch of <ref name=Watson214/> and <ref name=Watson250/> throughout the article. Personally, when I have more than 2-3 pages cited from the same book, I go for list defined references. I hope this helps; please let me know if you want more help with this. Best, Keilana|Parlez ici 16:03, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Unit 7 assignment questio

Hi, so I'm having another referance issue - John and I are editing the adenosine diphosphate page and were required to move our referances to the working sandbox (my user sandbox). I simply put a link to our group page 82C since I had already included possible referances for this page on there. I just got graded and noticed I got 0% for the referances portion, then went to check on the group page, and my foot note links to the referances I had on the group page do not work. They look like links, I can click on them, but none of them actually direct me anywhere. Do you have any idea what happened??PJCollettJHU (talk) 21:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, are you talking about your week 5 grade? If so, that was based on this version of your sandbox. From what I could tell, it didn't look like you used Diberri's tool, and you didn't "reference at least one of the articles more than one time". For the references, you were not graded on what was in your group page, but I just had a look, and it seems that the problem is that there is no {{reflist}} template anywhere on the page. Please review this video again, and make sure you understand how these work. Let me know if this doesn't answer your questions. Klortho (talk) 00:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Nope, I am definitely referring to the last Unit - Unit 7. Part of the assignment was to "Move the list of references found in Unit 5 from your group page to the working sandbox page." I took a shortcut - wiki style - and just put a link in to my group page since I had listed references there when I made my initial assessment of the adenosine diphosphate page. When I recieved 0 points for doing so, I was frustrated, but was going to then actually copy and paste the references and move them from one page to the other. When I went to do so, I noticed that my footnote numbers would not link me to the corresponding references. If you go to our group page and scroll all the way down to where I assesed the ADP page, you'll see what I mean. This is what I am confused about - and annoyed - since now I'm going to have to refind those references. Let me know if this clarifies my question and confusion. PJCollettJHU (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, if you use <ref>...</ref> on your page, then you must use a {{reflist}} or a <references /> somewhere else (typically, in a "Notes" section at the end). That's what the big red error messages on your sandbox page are trying to tell you (scroll down to the end). I added a "Notes" section with a {{reflist}} on your group page, so you can see what I mean. Without that, then the footnotes numbers appear in the body of the text, but they are "dangling", there is no place that the text of the footnotes is actually rendered. So, you shouldn't have to refind the references -- they were there, but just not visible. Does it make sense, or am I still not understanding the problem? Klortho (talk) 20:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That was exactly the problem, thanks!! I'm still not sure I understand the whole reflist vs </ref> concept, but I guess I'm going to have to wrap my brain around it! Thank you for fixing my issue!! PJCollettJHU (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
It might help if you think of <ref> as being misnamed -- it really should be <footnote>. Everything between the <ref>...</ref> tags is turned into a footnote. And the Wikimedia software is not very sophisticated: it doesn't know where you want to put the footnotes unless you tell it, and that's what the {{reflist}} does. Klortho (talk) 18:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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Mussense mutation: Not sure about image...

Hi Chris, I think I finally found a suitable image to use for Missense mutation. However, I'm still not completely sure if it's okay to use. It would be great if you can take a look and give us your opinion. I started a thread about it on my group page here: Thanks! Bcheon1 (talk) 18:15, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Responded on the group page Klortho (talk) 11:40, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
We found few figures we want to use in the article. They were public domain images with their own captions. Could we remove captions from figure before we use figure in the wiki article? Example of public domain what we want to use is located at Thanks. /Mhk5600 (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree it looks like that figure is in the public domain, since it's authored by NCBI. Anything that's in the public domain -- you can do whatever you want with it. Removing the caption is fine. Klortho (talk) 00:01, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying! I actually didn't know that but it's good to know now. That sure opens up a lot of options. Bcheon1 (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

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Unit 10 Peer Review Comments Question

Hi there, please see the question I gave to you in the Frameshift Mutation talk page. Hi Klortho, I'm a little confused on how to set up the "Main page" links. I went into summar_style and reviewed it, but I am still wondering about it. Would you be kind enough to show us a particular need in our article. Many thanks.DougCovert (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC) Retrieved from "" DougCovert (talk) 03:04, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks! Klortho (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Klortho, One of our article reviewers commented on using information from a patent. Would you be kind enough to look at the comments made in the Frameshift mutation article talk page, and let us know your thoughts. I think we're good, but want your OA okay...thanksDougCovert (talk) 02:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Responded at that talk page Klortho (talk) 03:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding references articles from a commercial archive

I was a peer-reviewer for frameshift mutation article. While I was checking references, I found that citations for a few (exactly 6) of their references are pointing the commercial archive server. To read that article, it apparently I need to join that website. I cannot say if that website is a free to join to view that article or paid-membership required to read any of them. What is policy from Wiki in this case? Do they need to look for other article what is available on a public domain? Please check my posting at Thanks. /Mhk5600 (talk) 16:40, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I responded on that talk page. Klortho (talk) 03:04, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your time. I read your reply in a talk page article where I was assigned. Their article is in a good shape. /Mhk5600 (talk) 13:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Help is needed to create a formatted table

What is this about, Min-Hun? Klortho (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention. Moment after I posted this section heading, I was able to find how to format a table. Please ignore this entry or you can erase this section. Thanks for your replying. In case, if you want to see what I was able to create, please check this path, Missense_mutation#Intracodon_suppression. I am going to make other tables (in frame shift suppression and codon-specific suppression) in missense_mutation in a similar way. /Mhk5600 (talk) 16:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Those look great! Klortho (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Image question

If there is an image on another wikipage that pertains to your page, can you use it?Laurenwking (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely, yes. Those are among the best choices, because you can be pretty sure there aren't any license issues. Klortho (talk) 00:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
That's not entirely correct, since fair use images are allowed on the English Wikipedia (in contrast to many others). They are restricted to topics very closely related to what the image depicts, so you cannot just copy them everywhere you want, even on the same wiki. Some restrictions also apply to trademarked stuff, but otherwise, copying things around is OK. -- Daniel Mietchen - WiR/OS (talk) 02:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, Daniel! Lauren -- so, to be sure, you should check the image to see if it is labeled as "fair use". A lot of images on Wikipedia are ultimately from Wikimedia Commons (for example, this one, that you guys put under "Immune System") and in that case, you can use it anywhere on Wikipedia. Let me know the specific image you're asking about, if you still have any doubt. Klortho (talk) 02:48, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Question about watchlist

Hi Chris,

I've noticed that my email notifications for the pages on my watchlist are very flaky. I don't always get notifications for some pages, which has made me miss some communications from my teammates and prevented me from responding in a timely manner. For example, I do get notifications about my article, Fluorescent Tagging, and the talk pages. But I have only once gotten any notification from my group's talk page, 81D, a few months ago, even though it has been edited since. I have checked, and this is indeed on my watchlist. Do you know why this discrepancy would have occurred? Thanks. Tisquestra (talk) 21:41, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not Chris but I'll butt in and answer anyways...the watchlist notifications can be super flaky sometimes and the system might have just eaten the email instead of sending it. You've got all the settings right, so there's not much you can do besides occasionally checking Special:Watchlist to make sure you didn't miss anything. Sorry about that! Keilana|Parlez ici 22:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Keilana, for butting in! I'd also add that sometimes what can cause confusion, at first, is the feature that you only get one notification until you go visit the page again. In the past, I've had it happen that I forgot to visit the page, and then stopped getting notifications without realizing it. I still use email for my notifications, but I supplement that with checking my watchlist directly from time to time. HTH Klortho (talk) 00:34, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Klortho. Wondering about this comment here [1]. It seems to imply that if a school project is editing a page than other Wikipedian should not be involved? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help with the JHU wiki project

Hi Klortho, thanks for all your input, as well as keeping me honest with the paraphrasing on the wiki project. It was a great experience. Have a nice summer! Dugalmaguire (talk) 15:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome!! Thanks for participating so enthusiastically! Klortho (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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Join us at the NLM next week, either in person or online, to learn about NLM resources, hear some great speakers, and do some editing!

organized by Wiki Project Med

On Tuesday, 28 May there will be a community Wikipedia meeting at the United States National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland - with a second on Thursday, 30 May for those who can't make it on Tuesday. You can participate either in-person, or via an online webinar. If you attend in person, USB sticks (but not external drives) are ok to use.

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Hi Chris,

I am about to chime in, but have yet to find any articles that are being worked on. Pointers appreciated. Thanks! -- Daniel Mietchen - WiR/OS (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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'Abandoned' template documentation subpage

Hi, could you please delete or otherwise cleanup User:Klortho/Infobox disease/doc. It appears to be unused, and is cluttering Category:Documentation subpages without corresponding pages. Thanks. Revent (talk) 21:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I marked it with {{delete}} Klortho (talk) 23:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Revent (talk) 03:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

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Wikidata Medicine

Hi Klortho! Thank you for being the first to use the Wikidata Medicine userbox. I now made it into a template for easier access: --Tobias1984 (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Yes, that is easier. Thanks! Klortho (talk) 04:15, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm contacting all the members of the task force because we need some more votes for our properties. If you have about 10 minutes please visit d:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Term. After they have enough votes I can create them and a bot operator can start gathering information. All the best! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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