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Wikipedia page User talk:Sureshtv9 has been changed by MelbourneStar


In this article Controversies section defaming and attacking on TV9 organization. So I have edited and added positive stuff which is true. and earlier reference citations or not standard websites, also article not following proper wiki guidelines. So please co-operate with us — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Sureshtv9 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not yours. This article is about your company - and you do not own the article - everyone's allowed to edit. Now, the controversy section is sourced - it won't be removed. If you continue to do so, I will report you for disruptive editing - I would rather not do that. Please, stop removing, and discuss with the community. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 08:11, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Neville Quist

Hi MS. I'm just letting know I have declined your CSD. After you tagged it, article now has sufficient refs to claim some notability. Please consider looking for refs before tagging articles. Happy patrolling! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I had tagged it prior, hence the discussion on the article's talk page - but barring that, thank you! -- -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 15:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


HI on the Page of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto there is constantly multiple users who keep changing his religion from Traditional Sunni Islam, to Shia Islam/ Traditional Shia Islam , over the past month at least 5 editors have vandlized and changed the religion, despite the fact there are two sources saying he was TSI , and worst part the vandlizers change the religion with out even changing or checking the sources given . Please can you change the religion back to Traditional Sunni Islam, and ensure than the religion of ZAB is LOCKED to Traditional Sunni Islam.... the most recent edit was here , and looking at this particular user all his edits have been in bad faith and vandalising --Multan47 (talk) 05:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Kucove District


I am a resident and citizen of the city of Kucove Albania, and I made some corrections about my city, I added more information about its economy and current state. How the hell you flag my comments when I have grown up there and you know this better than me ? I don't want you to touch my things anymore. You have no business interfering with the history of my city. Deal with the history of Melbourne, you got enough there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johny1005 (talkcontribs) 09:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Please assume good faith when communicating with me. Oh, and I direct you to this wonderful policy, WP:OWN ~ this is the third policy you've seen today, the other being WP:AGF and WP:OR. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 09:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Johny, nothing good will ever come out of attacking or threatening other editors. I think it would be to your benefit to walk away from the computer for about an hour so that you don't end up getting yourself blocked for repeatedly attacking someone. I can guarantee you'll get a lot farther if you just stay calm. (Oh, and Melbourne, it may be a good idea to put {{talk header}} at the top of your page.) --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Dave :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 02:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Children Who Chase Lost Voices from Deep Below

Hi, I don't know any reliable sources from which to cite it, unless you want me to cite the movie itself. Far as I know, there isn't a real plot synopsis anywhere on the internet (which is generally somewhat unreliable anyways). Then again, I suppose I'm fairly knowledgeable about Shinkai and Miyazaki, as I have actually taken seminars on both directors in college-- however, it wouldn't be correct to cite my professors as they have never really provided a plot summary. Ticklishmusic (talk) 21:38, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

A more brief plot, without adding anything that could be challenged ~ ie. don't go into terribly too much detail. Also, "Spoiler" warnings are unnecessary, and spoil.ers are infact allowed, per WP:Spoiler. If you have any other questions ~ need help with anything, please ask. Happy Editing! -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 02:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

John Findley Wallace

I came across the page describing my great grandfather, John Findley Wallace, and noted that his middle name was incorrectly spelled as "Findlay". When I endeavored to correct it, my edit was rejected by MelbourneStar. I do not understand. You can find the correct spelling in any number of sources (I have newspaper columns from that era announcing his appointment as Chief Engineer of the Panama Canal). The McCullough book "Path Between the Seas", as well as the most recent book "Panama Fever", all spell his name correctly.

Jncwallace (talk) 09:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia and Internet sources, the middle name is spelt with an "A". If you have reliable sources stating otherwise, please do provide. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 09:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
In fact the web sources vary on the spelling of the name, and a Google Books search gives many more sources with the "e" than the "a", so it's at least plausible that the spelling is incorrect as it stands. The "Report of John F. Wallace", which you would expect to spell his name correctly, is only available in snippet view but Google indexes it as by John Findley Wallace. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I tried it on Google with an 'E' but the "Did you mean .... ?" suggestion came up. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 12:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we can automatically take that to mean the suggested spelling is right. Google Books is a better way to search for sources anyway, since so many internet sources are simply copies of Wikipedia information; this article has been around with this spelling for three years, after all. I think on balance we should move the article to the "e" spelling, leave a note on the talk page about conflicting sources, and leave a note for the new user to that effect. What do you think? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Caught me at a bad time - 'bout to go to sleep ;) - anyway, we all want the same thing here, and that's is to have it spelled correctly. So, I personally like the idea of changing it - and the article's name (can't forget that) and then leaving a note on the talk page. So, I guess you may proceed with the changes! Thank you :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 12:56, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Done. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Said Shavershian

I was thinking a bit more about this last night - he passes GNG, so you are about 90% of the way there. I'm sure not every bodybuilder who gets found using steroids makes the news in two states, so there must be something about him that has made him famous. What is it? Has he won an award or competition? Does he compete at the highest level in amateur bodybuilding? Is he involved with community work? Even the fact that he has a large fan base could very well be enough, per WP:ENTERTAINER. After all, he does pass GNG. It comes back to assertion of notability - if you can find something, it would have a much better chance at AfD.
Also, another thing which might help is that you don't necessarily have to get your "assertion of notability" from a "reliable, secondary" source (like a newspaper). The sources regarding the drug incident are enough to pass that test. As you rightly pointed out, self-published and other less reliable sources can be used in articles about the person in question. So things like Formspring and SimplyShredded can be used for information about Shavershian (they just can't be used to pass GNG).--Yeti Hunter (talk) 21:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

And let me guess I need to reach the 100% mark? Okay, I will try. Thanks for this, really.
  • First off both Shavershian's are starring in The National Road Trip (Please examine the channel - although it's on YT, don't be fooled) -The show is part of Filmotion Productions - Cast memebers have explicitly called it a "TV show" ~ According to FMA it's not, but, "This video production was produced originally as an online video for youtube. Because of its ongoing success on youtube we're looking at continuing our production as a web series. More is yet to come on a weekly basis." Now I have no idea if FMA is "notable" ~ this is the only article I found in Google archives, mentioning the production company: [1]
  • "A pin-up boy of the amateur bodybuilding scene has been fined $400 and ordered to pay $79 in court costs for possession of anabolic steroids." SMH ~ Pin-up (According to web definitions, is: "cover girl: a very pretty girl who works as a photographer's model." - In this case it's for a "boy".) ~ so maybe he's "notable" for his looks?
  • According to Shavershian's fan-page on facebook (which has 30,500+ fans ~ a non-notable person with that many fans?) The above SMH article in dotpoint 2, even mentions his large fan-base. [2] More fans on Facebook than Australian TV reporters: Melissa Doyle ([3]), Grant Denyer ([4]) ... More fans than Australian shoows, "The Morning Show" ([5]), Today Tonight ([6]) -- Said even has more fans than Liberal Leader Tony Abbott ([7]) (which to me is no surprise.. ;) ). I know Facebook is really informal ~ but it just shows where he is on the world's largest social network site.
  • Sources call Both Shavershians "Ameteur bodybuilders" - even though they don't compete ~ they simply show their body's around.
  • I know this might not mean a lot but, Said has appeared on: Network Ten; ABC ([8]), Sydney Morning Herald (multiple times; [9]); ([10]); The Daily Telegraph ([11]). I think that's somewhat nearlly evertything I remebered ~ I hope it somehow works out - I don't know if it will - but maybe. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 00:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Like I said, it's a borderline case. I must admit, 30,000 fans is a fair bit. My advice would be to point out the facts you mention above (fan base, being reported as a pin-up, etc) to the AfD, along with the "significant fan base" clause of WP:ENT. You could very likely win some of the inclusionists to the keep side. At the end of the day, it does seem a little odd to me that his activities have been reported on at all - perhaps he really is a celebrity as you said all along.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 02:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Maybe I'm asking too much, but is your stance the exact same as it was prior to me showing you this? And also - are IPs allowed to vote? -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 02:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
This is great, now I'm going have the whole non-fanbase of Shavershian, voting against the article. What's the point? -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 03:29, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
IPs are allowed to "vote" (although it's not really a vote as such), however they generally are not given as much weight as actual users. To be honest, I still think it's not quite enough. However I'm not familiar with celebrity notability guidelines, if there even are any. I frankly think it's unlikely to succeed if there is no additional notability (such as competing). Just wait and see - it's not the end of the world.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 04:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Obvious non-interest

You cheeky little mite :P I've just got other things on, and since it runs for a week, it wasn't at the top of my priorities. I'll get there. AGF and all that WormTT · (talk) 07:34, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

If you think I'm smart or sarcastic here, you should see me at school...I'm a ball, really :) Look I have kind of dug myself in a hole. I sound non-neutral even though I'm trying to ~ but just these circumstances that are making me like this. Now I know how people feel when I CSD their articles - ohhh Karma's a bitch, and a big one too. Sorry for sounding a little harsh - I keep on forgetting you have a life outside of Wikipedia too - just like you keep on forgetting that I'm very impatient :/ -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 07:40, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Best cure for impatience is to be forced to wait. So wait. :P It's not so much my off wiki stuff that I'm tied up in, it's trying to review and close the biggest RfC I've ever seen... I'm busy reading all that. Keep calm, don't worry about it too much. And it's good that you are proud of the article you are created, you'll know now how others feel and can understand why the get upset by the deletion. WormTT · (talk) 09:15, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

St Bede's school, Hailsham

St Bede's School, Hailsham

I am the website content Manager at St Bede's school and have been directed by our Headmaster, Dr Richard Maloney, to correct and update the article about the school which appears on Wikipaedia.

I have tried updating several sections, and it seems to accept the changes ( I preview first and then save when I am happy that section is correct.

However, when I have updated one section, and then update the next, the first one has reverted to the original, error-filled version.

As this is my first experience of Wikipaedia I am somewhat at a loss as to what I am doing wrong, or what i need to do to get my corrections accepted

Bob Brown Bob.brownatstbedes (talk) 11:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Brown, and Welcome to Wikipedia,

Your content is perfect - it may need to sound a little more neutral - but other than that it is fine. However, before you save your changes, it is important that you cite a reliable source to corroborate your edit. You can do this by: <ref> <-- A reliable internet/book source should be in between these "refs" --> </ref>. If there is anything else you need to know, or if you are still confused, I'm right here. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 11:38, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

St Bede's School, Hailsham

Thank you so much for the help you gave in your reply earlier today. i have made all the corrections to the text, and everything seems to work.

Three problems remain

I cannot work out how to change the Contents table, which is now slightly out of line with the article.

an error message about the references now appears at the end of the article and I can't work out what i've done wrong or how to cure it.

We would also like to change and add to the photos in the article and i'm not sure how to do this.

( I also couldn't work out how to add this message to the ones earlier today on the same topic)

I was very surprised to see your date of birth! I am about 4 times your age (63), and obviously know a great deal less about wikipaedia! What made you write the article about St Bede's, Hailsham in the first place? Do you go to St Bede's college in Victoria?

Anyway thanks again for your help, and if you can give me further advice I really would be most grateful.

Regards Bob brown Bob.brownatstbedes (talk) 15:50, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Everything seems to work, I'll just make a few tweaks, even re-word a few sentences to make it sound more neutral - but other than that, excellent job. 63? well there's no age limit here on Wikipedia, you'd be accamponied by many Wikipedians who are actually older than you :) I personally didn't write the article myself, I edited it. I currently attend St James College, Victoria - in year 11 I'll be at St Bedes Victoria :D
Anyway, you also asked for help - you don't know how to have this section merged with the previous? all you have to do, instead of creating a new section, on the original section, look at the title - then look far right - and you'll see an "edit" button. Press that, and you'll be able to edit that section :)
If there are any other issues or questions you may have, I'm all ears :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 01:05, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Back to work today and I have been trying to update( and add ) photos to the page ( these are all in Wikimedia common under my upload name Bob.brownat stbedes.

two have successfully gone in , but the third one is only displaying the file name (Atrium of new Boarding House, St Bede's school Hailsham.jpg ) and the title, not the photo itself. Any idea what I have done wrong?? I would be most grateful for any advice. If it is easier to use normal e-mail my address is

Regards, and Happy New Year Bob Brown Bob.brownatstbedes (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


This made me laugh: [12] Dan653 (talk) 22:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

This: "Maybe this should explain, WP:Vandalism"? I have a habbit of being smart ;) lol
By the way, you may not have seen my reply to a previous message of yours, but I'd be happy to assist you in your userboxes - what exactly would you like done? -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 01:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

NeNe Leakes

My apologies about that, I totally failed to notice that the history page had previous pages. Exor674 (talk) 02:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, you think you make mistakes? I think I make more! lol ;) Well everything's fine now. Happy Editing! -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 02:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


for the early happy wikibirthday :) I just read your user page and I'm suprised to see you're not an admin! I seem to run into your edits so often, even outside the article space, that I assumed you were. Happy belated birthday to you too. PS I like your userboxes... I could practically apply that entire section to my own userpage (except Google/Apple products, which I could never support) Millermk90 (talk) 07:40, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Me Administrator? no - not... yet ;) and thank you for the birthday wishes. If you like my userboxes, just copy them :P -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 07:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Comedy Club China

Hi There Melbourne,

Just wondering WHY exactly you keep tagging my page on COMEDY CLUB CHINA. In 7 days, the largest newspapers in Beijing are doing a reportage on the comedy night. The only open-mic in Beijing is being led by this group. Their links are emerging as far as Hong Kong (TakeOut Comedy).. so what exactly are you looking for in terms of "reliability"?

Cheers & Thanks for any advice :)

Efi — Preceding unsigned comment added by China0190 (talkcontribs) 18:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for appropriately linking to the article about the saviour of 20 lives in the waters off of UtøyaMarcel Gleffe.-- (talk) 12:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I think someone may have beaten me to it, but you asked nicely, so, thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 03:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Need to know the reason for Speedy Deletion tag

Hello Melb, I just ned to know the reasons for setting the tag to my article. I hope the solutions offered are very helpful for Windows IT administrators. Could you state a reason, hence I could improve the document. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VinayStan (talkcontribs) 13:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)For the record, the tag was {{db-a7}} --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
You article was deleted, because it did not assert any notability - and even if it did, it had no reliable sources to verify its notability - therefore constituting to original research. VinayStan, one thing you can do, is nicely request an Administrator to "Userfy" the deleted article - so although it won't be an article as of yet, you will be able to work on it - in a sub-page of your User page. Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 13:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


Hi Mel,

As you pointed out I adapted the references, which are now ISO 639 and point directly to their (other language) target. I restored the additional genealogy info and external genealogy references though. I guess they were washed away when you reverted because of the non ISO 639. Hope you forgive me my clumsiness; didn't know how to refer to different/ other language Wiki pages, so put them in as references. But I do know now! Thanks for pointing it out. QSeymore (talk) 18:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm always clumsy, so therefore automatically forgiven! :) Happy editing, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 03:51, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I answered your reply at Blogs section

Happy Festivus!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon5791 (talkcontribs) 18:45, 20 December, 2011 (UTC)

Already replied, and Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 08:33, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Marcel Gleffe for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Marcel Gleffe is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcel Gleffe until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. However, the reviewer felt that a few things need to be fixed before it is accepted. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved. (You can do this by adding the text {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article.)
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Яehevkor 01:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
ahhh awkward, I already created the article ages ago: Brahim Takioullah... -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 01:51, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


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Hello, MelbourneStar. You have new messages at JamesBWatson's talk page.
Message added 10:50, 18 December 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Pittwater by-election 2005

You sent me a message regarding the said subject. I have stated clearly on my page for no messages to be sent unless I decide otherwise. Don't sent me any more messages unless I say it is OK to do so. The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 05:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry that's not my problem, if you have a million other messages on your page. -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 05:50, 21 December 2011 (UTC)


I things I have put in Dev (actor)'s page are reliable! As he is a Bengali, only people from West Bengal will only be able to tell the difference! PLEASE GIVE ME PERMISSION TO EDIT IT AND GIVE CORRECT INFORMATION! I can give you these reliable sources if you want! 12:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sohompramanick (talkcontribs)

I'm sure I'm not the first to tell you this, but People are not reliable sources unfortunately, so unless you provide reliable sources (News/Media/Books etc.) your original research is out. This isn't my policies, it's Wikipedia's. -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 13:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Law & Order: SVU (season 12)

As you may have already noticed, I recently placed a good article nomination on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 12). Unfortunately, the article failed to meet the requirements, but the reviewer noted that it should be nominated as a featured article instead--after some improvements, of course.

If you'd like to help, let me know. After I address all of the reviewer's concerns, I'd like to discuss two possible areas of improvement on the talk page before I place my FA nomination. If we can get this article successfully nominated, I think it'll be the first one of all the L&O articles. --Davejohnsan (talk) 18:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'd love to help, I most definately shall. Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 23:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Awesome! Let me know where you'd like to coordinate our mini-project. I was thinking about the Law & Order task force project page, but no one has actually used it for a few months. Whatever works for you and me. (Update: Looking at the current list, it seems we are the entire L&O task force. Maybe we should recruit some people) --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:34, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Possible recruits (as well as editors who can help out on SVU season 12:
Personally I think the L&O task force is a good idea to coordinate the mini-project, however, if things fall through with that, Season 12's talk page will be fine, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 02:05, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to hold off on SVU's 12th season until the initial reviewer gives me his feedback again. In the meantime, check out the task force page if you ever need anything to do! A lot of these articles have plenty of room for improvement. --Davejohnsan (talk) 17:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Request for your perspective on SOPA

Hi MelbourneStar, there's currently an ongoing discussion about splitting the Stop Online Piracy Act page at Talk:Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#ONGOING_DISCUSSION_-_Splitting_the_Article. You've familiarized yourself with the entry before, and your insight and perspective on the matter would be appreciated. Hope to see you there, Sloggerbum (talk) 00:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


Thanks! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

You're most very welcome! and Happy belated Merry Christmas! -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 13:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Ditto :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

edit "Cold Fusion" Nine References to Pathological Science Should Be Moved to Historical Footnotes

To improve the article:

1) Wiki needs to view it as science.

2) Wiki needs to recognize which scientific journals are utilized and sourced by scientists in this field of physics.

I predict a tremendous increase in the readability of the article.

Query to the scientific community: To the Directors of Physics Departments,

LENR - Low Energy Nuclear Reaction and Widom Larson Theory, aka Condensed Matter Nuclear or Lattice Enabled Nuclear; historically misnamed "Cold Fusion"

1) Is this science or pathological science?

2) Do you offer a class in this discipline? If so, please provide information.

3) Are you developing a curriculum of this science? If so, when will you offer it?

4) What peer review journals do you utilize or source in this field?

MelbournStar, P>S> 1) Any suggestions or criticisms before I move forward with this? 2) Is this direction of query able to yield opinions the Wikipedia forum on Cold Fusion may value? Thank you for your time, Gregory Goble (415) 724-6702--Gregory Goble (talk) 00:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I think you should proceed with the changes - you have expressed in detail what you want changed ~ also approached many editors about it - which I have to say was the right way to go with it! Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 01:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Need Help!

Hello, I'm a newbie to Wiki and kinda lost, so I just randomly picked your name assuming you're admin and could delete my edit. I would like to ask you to delete my edit dating back to 07:25, 24 December 2011‎ on the page "Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab". It's because I typed in the Edit Summery section that user Raqib Nizami "Raqib sucks d***"! I'd appreciate if you could fix my fault! Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AITS85 (talkcontribs)

Hi and Welcome to Wikipedia!
I think you're reffering to this account ~ it hasn't been blocked, so there are no worries there. However I have taken a look at the edit summary on the article - it was innapropriate, and has already been reverted by another editor. What I recommend doing, is apologising to the editor ~ then asking a kind administrator (I'm not one yet) such as Kudpung and ask that the edit summary be removed - since the article cannot be deleted for obvious reasons such as it passes core policies etc. Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 01:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)I agree with apologising to the other user, but you might want to just mention that you want the edit summary removed at WP:ANI explaining that you agree that you were out of line. It'll be dealt with quicker there. Otherwise, being that it's already been reverted, we can all move on. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 01:19, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

end this editing war

Raqib nizami (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)From the beginning i am noticing that there are a group of editors like you whose goal is to praise Muhammad bin abd al wahhab and removing some undeniable fact which are from NPOV.First of all he is not a hero or role model of fact 90% of the Muslim(whether Sunni or Shiya) population hate him and criticize his works.According to thousands books of historic references and thousands Fatwa written by Eminent Muslim Scholars,Shaikhul-Ulama,,Shaikhul-hadith,Shaikhul-Islam,Mujaddids "Muhammad Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab" is a Kafir(disbeliever),Murtad(apostate),kharji(those who went out),Dajjali fitna.Not only that but also he is considered by non Muslim Scholars,writers, historians to be the birth place of all controversial matter(now a days referred to Islam because of him) extremist,terrorist,creed of evil etc.Such a controversial person need proper introduction which should be full of ref and from NPOV.but most of the editors are trying to ignore the fact and by baseless editing they are trying to portrait him as a Revival/wali/mujaddid of Islam!They are not able to face the ugly truth because they are trained to deny it.I am giving a proper short intro and assessment part which i established by various sources but not it seems its not quiet enough.So please before you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policy, particularly on Primary Sources, on Reliable Sources, on Verifiability and on Citing Sources.

WP:BOOMERANG here.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Ritchie Blackmore, Tennessee, and French film

Hi. I was reading Ritchie Blackmore's bio and i noticed odd edit patterns as they seemed to back each other up, so i had a look at some editors, User:Ewin has also made edits to the two subjects (Tenessee edit 2009 Tennessee Volunteers football team, and French actress: Emmanuelle Devos). User:Msgv has also made edits to Tennessee politics (Jimmy Duncan (U.S. politician)), and French actress (Juliette Binoche}. User:Xbvca, Tennesse politics, and French actress (Françoise Brion), User:Testu, Tennessee politics Chuck Fleischmann, French actress Danielle Darrieux). User Gfl, who like user Testu has made edits to Tennessee politician Fleischmann, User:Devinn, made edits to French born actress Claudette Colbert as has User:Ure. Next user, User:Imrie, also has a fondness for Blackmore, french actresses (Véronique Genest), and you've guessed it, Tennessee politics (Bob Corker, as has user Gfl), User:Diora Tennessee politics (Harold Ford, Jr.) and french film (André Cayatte). So, Blackmore, Tennessee, French film seem to be the common subjects of interest. The user(s) doesn't appear to be causing any vandalism (as i didnt see any swear words).GrampsSydney (talk) 16:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi GrampsSydney...I'm a little confused here, but what exactly do you need me for? Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 06:03, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry i just noticed you were not an admin. No idea where to find one mate. If u could pass on my comment that would be great. Thanks.GrampsSydney (talk) 17:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

It's people like you that are giving me a big head! :) It's a compliment. I shall pass this onto an administrator for you, and thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 06:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Looks like he may have a case for WP:SPI. I sugest he takes it there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


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FYI. (this is probably the best advice to give if you're asked again). Thanks for referring it to me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:23, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, very much! I'll keep that in mind, regards, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 04:25, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
An odd sting in the tail. A classic case of WP:BOOMERANG worth noting, especially the huge can of worms it opened. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Wow *sits down*. As I have said before, things are getting more and more interesting on Wikipedia, the longer I stay here. I didn't expect that one ;) It's a pitty, I thought I did the right thing, to obviously now is the wrong person. Thank you, -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 00:56, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
You did absolutely the right thing. Can't say as I'm overly surprised at the outcome - I often find that when anyone comes to my talk page asking me to block someone, they have something to hide. Sorry to see you have to take a Wikibreak. Hope it doesn't last too long and I look forward to seeing you back in the not too distant future. Best wishes for 2012. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Kudpung. I really appreciate it. I'm right now on here (on IPhone) and just doing some unfinished business before I return to the computer and do a Wikibreak Enforcer for a few days. Hope you have a wonderful New Year, all the best for 2012! -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 21:13, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Ben Breedlove for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ben Breedlove is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Breedlove until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -TinGrin 04:44, 30 December 2011 (UTC)



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Notable in the sense that there would have a listing perhaps, on the YouTube celebrities page. He might have been a notable personality before his death, but apparently not notable enough to warrant an article here. Pursuant to [[WP:BLP1E, biographic articles featuring persons famous for a one-time event and otherwise fairly low profile are not encouraged. If you take a look at my contributions, you might notice I was behind the creation of the article Yam Ah Mee. Briefly, Yam Ah Mee gained brief fame in Singapore as the returning officer for two elections in my country this year. The article wouldn't qualify under WP:BLP1E because Yam is the head of a statutory board and he's hit the news in other capacities after the elections. Hope this helps. Paul 1953 (talk) 10:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

With all due respect, I can't agree with that. If he's gotten YouTube's attention. A Wikipedian's attention - myself, from a country that's on the other side of the world. The attention of celebrities such as Kid Cudi and Kim Kardashian - he obviously has notability. His YouTube channel is only going to get more popular. I've seen BLPs that are disgusting - in the sense that they are full of OR ~ or don't have the appropriate sources to verify their claims - however, this non-BLP does have the sources. And yes, it does have the notability. 2,000,000 views. 2 million people. They would know this person. 90,000 views on his article in 24 hours - atleast half of the articles here on WP, don't have that many views in a whole month. I'm not saying the article you created is badly written - it's perfect. But if you compare the pair - Breedlove & Mee - 90,000 views in a Day Vs. 686 views in a Month. Call me blind, or stubbourn, but I'm not seeing this article as not notable. -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 10:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. But perhaps the case I presented wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison, because Yam's fame was limited to Singapore. Breedlove is an internation phenomenon. Perhaps Ted Williams (voice actor would be a fair comparison. In William's case, after his discovery, Williams has continued to hit the news. Job offers, fundraising, struggles with sobriety. 90, 0000 views on his article in 24 hours is to be expected, to be fair, for his (obviously) one-time death. Paul 1953 (talk) 07:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
D.O.D. Was Dec. 25. Article created 29th - 90,000 views...30th - 130,000 views. His YouTube fan base will only increase ~ so will his multiple pages on Facebook. Millions of people know this person... -- MSTR (Merry Christmas!) 07:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hi MS. You've just been very lucky - if you look at this you'll quickly understand why. Even if you are in the right, be very careful not to get unwittingly drawn into situations like this, there's a filter that normally reports it ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I know, I know :( I had a chat with Danger about it. I should have discussed more with the editor ~ on the articles talk page ~ instead of their talk page as I did. I've noticed that I act too much like a fish ~ I take the bait, hooked, but luckily I'm thrown back in. One day I'll be dinner. -But, now that you tell me about this 'filter' ~ I think that's made me more aware ;) I will change my behaviour - whether I like it or not, and the 3RR policy stands its purpose, so I really should make sure I abide by it - whatever the circumstances. Thank you for the ... Heads up/ advice. Really appreciate it,
Regards, -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 13:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Per "Dead" Ohlin

Hi! I saw that you reverted the change I made to Dead's page. Now I'm new to editing so I don't know how you should do everything and I get if you think it's unsourced, but I was not sure if I should leave a reference as I wrote in the text what book the interview with his brother was from or how you reference to a book. I can assure you that it was no good faith edit however. That was a real interview with his older brother and a serious book. I would be happy if you could tell me how to properly reference it and I'll do that. All I want is to share knowledge, but I understand you have guidelines to go after and I don't yet know how to follow all of them. Regards. Jonvar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonvar (talkcontribs) 21:31, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Aziz Shavershian

Melbourne Star, I know that this for whatever reason is a very touchy subject for you. However, I would ask that you remain as civil as possible in our discussions. Thank you.

That said, I would of course doubt Aziz if he said he was the Prime Minister of Australia. There would be reasonable doubt as to the authenticity. The fact that he is not (obivously because he's dead) and never was is easily verifiable.

However, in the case at hand:

  • 1.the material is not unduly self-serving;
  • -Check. There is nothing self-serving about verifying the fact that you smuggle heroin.
  • does not involve claims about third parties;
  • -Check. Aziz is talking about himself only.
  • does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source;
  • -Check. Aziz has a first-person account of his own actions.
  • 4.there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity
  • -Check. Why would you doubt Aziz's own words?
  • 5.the article is not based primarily on such sources.
  • -Check. There are other sources in the article as well.

Zuloon (talk) 04:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC)Zuloon —Preceding undated comment added 04:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC).

Don't play games with me, Zuloon. Any person who has heard of Aziz, knew he was a little thing called a troll. -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 04:41, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
I would conciser that statement to be a violation of WP:BLP and could open Wikipedia up to liable. I reverted the info. BTW: I am a relative noobie. Jim1138 (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Noobie or not, you've shown experience, and there is no evidence and the authenticity of the source is shot. WP:NEWSORG trumps WP:ABOUTSELF when content is disputed - anyday of the week. -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 04:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick response. However, I would ask you once again to please remain civil throughout our discourse. I am not "playing games" with you. I am trying to do the best I can to ensure that Wikipedia remains an objective source for information. I am also wondering why, if his formspring can't be trusted, it is cited so often. Shouldn't his height be listed as unknown? It would seem to me that he could easily be lying about that. Of course, you seem to be good at detecting what is authentic and what is not. Maybe we should make it a rule of thumb that if something could be interpreted in a negative light, that it isn't authentic? That is, after all, what we seem to have been doing so far.
Also, zyzzcentral is cited at least twice. Should I delete those citations along with the material that cites it? We did come to the conclusion that zyzzcentral is unreliable, did we not? I think it was you yourself that said zyzzcentral can't be trusted because there is no editorial oversight. It would seem that there is no editorial oversight for formspring either, unless I am mistaken.
You used your last point, that Aziz was a troll, as grounds for throwing out the fact that he was a drug dealer. I fail to see how, with the standards that we have established for this article, you can simply discard that fact willy nilly. He said in his response for the formspring question that he was going to "chill out, go beaches, sight seeing, smuggle heroin, check out landmarks, the nightlife, etc just the usual". In other words, smuggling heroin is just "the usual" for him. Again, I'm left wondering what rules we are using to throw out legitimate statements made by the man himself.
Please respond, but please also remember that we are trying to have a civil discussion here, and not a civil war.
Zuloon (talk) 17:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC) talk
Zuloon I had written a whole essay on your talk page - but you ignored it. So please don't even think about lecturing me on civilness. Barring that, to make it more easier for you to understand: If there is something controversial - WP:ABOUTSELF can be applied, But with a completely reliable source (news) directly supporting what has been said. If you don't like that, well I'm sorry - maybe make a blog, and put whatever you want to on it about him, because unless the authenticity of the Formspring post is bulletproof, it's out. -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 00:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you. :)

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome, Anna. Can't stand it when disruptive editors put down some of Wikipedia's best. Keep up the awesome work! -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 07:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
You are too kind. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I lost my temper

I tried my best. I tried to see the Policies as they were written and be open-minded...I didn't know a lot about what Wikipedia really was before a few days ago, but I sincerely did try to become educated instead of just throwing opinions out there. It just doesn't seem to matter when the "older" members of the community have spoken. I did not mean to be someone who hasn't put other work in as far as other articles, I just am pretty lost here. I am upset, however, because even the main page seems to make it sound as if it is perfectly OK to become involved here...when the experience of trying to do it is very different. I hope Ben Breedlove's page is not deleted. I believe with all of my soul that there is something Relevant, unique, and ongoing about this person and his life. I have read it and seen it spelled out so clearly...out there in the "real" world. I wish I could have helped. TinaPetersontinam (talk) 00:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I hope the same thing too - but it's not worth being sad about. Wikipedia is Wikipedia. Having an article about yourself - doesn't mean your more special than someone else - people may think it's an honor, but If you think about it, it isn't really. What happens when you're a celebrity and you run into strife? media reports on it. Celebrities usually have a section called "Controversy" - If I was celebrity, I wouldn't think of Wikipedia as an honor at all.
In Ben's case. A Wikipedia article on him - is only a brief way of showing his life. His video's are usually the first place to go, to get to know him. He's been seen all around the world - from the US, down here to where I am, in Australia. A Wikipedia article is probably not going to make a difference. My stance is still Keep. This is just something you should keep in mind. Please don't feel discouraged. -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 01:06, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Petersontinam, Wikipedia has politics like every other big organization. It is perfectly OK to get involved here—but there is still very much a hierarchy of users and authority, one that you consider unfair. What most people, including myself, have learned is not to bother complaining because change is difficult on Wikipedia. It's disappointing that you are taking Breedlove's page personally, as Wikipedia is after all a privately owned and operated website that could just as well see the management censoring whatever they want and still calling it an "encyclopedia". Your opinion wouldn't matter then, either, nor would mine. But I digress. If you are touched by Ben's life, pursue memorials for him elsewhere and forget about the Wikipedia entry. Even if the article is kept, I don't like to see you getting chewed up by others over the politics and whatnot. The people who stay out of the way on Wikipedia are usually the happiest. You're smarter than more than a few of the kids on this site; I'm sure you have more knowledge to contribute than just that about Ben Breedman. But in the end, it's just a website. Ben won't be forgotten regardless of whether Wikipedia remembers him or not. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you both for the insight and kind replies. Emotions are funny, aren't they? They spur you to take actions, which can be good, but they also get in the way sometimes. I have a terrible handicap of not reacting well to things that I think are unfair. I agree that Ben won't be forgotten, but I truly hope that this page stays so that when people seek him out they can learn more about him. I think that further information about him being added as time goes by needs a place to be added to. I guess we will soon see what happens.Petersontinam (talk) 14:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment on your page

I was replying to your comment on my talk page. Should have started a new section. Sorry! Jim1138 (talk) 18:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

No that's fine! Was just wondering :) -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 08:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

How do i add this biography

Hi Admin,

I am great grand son of M.R.Santhana Lakshmi and how do i make it Verifieable. The name Melbournestar looked random to me that is the reason i undid your changes. Please guide me to legitamatly add the details this page.

Many thanks, Raju — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajupriyan (talkcontribs) 12:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Raju, and welcome to Wikipedia.
First, before anything, I'm going to have to ask you take a read of one of Wikipedia's policies: WP:COI.
Now, to add content to your great grandfather's article, could you please provide reliable references - maybe from the news; or books - just so we can easily establish verifiability. Thank you,
and PS, I'm not an administrator - just an editor like you! :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 12:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Removal due to no sources from Nicole Polizzi's page.

Polizzi and co-cast member on Jersey Shore, Jennifer Farley, have signed a contract to star in a spin off show consisting of 12 episodes premiering on MTV in the future. It will follow Polizzi and Farley moving in together.

Please provide the reliable source that should go along with that - and if added back into the article, will. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 11:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello, i was saying this statement is already on Nicole Polizzi's Page, with NO Sources or Verifiability, so it should be removed from her page as it is a violation i believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

St Bede's School, Hailsham

Dear Melbourne Star, Back to work today and I have been trying to update( and add ) photos to the page ( these are all in Wikimedia common under my upload name Bob.brownatstbedes.

two have successfully gone in , but the third one is only displaying the file name (Atrium of new Boarding House, St Bede's School Hailsham.jpg ) and the title, not the photo itself. Any idea what I have done wrong?? I would be most grateful for any advice. If it is easier to use normal e-mail my address is

Regards, and Happy New Year Bob Brown Bob.brownatstbedes (talk) 14:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mr Bob Brown and Happy New Year!
I have fixed the problem, here, (hopefully that is what you were inteding for). The issue - a common mistake - is that the title of the image was incorrectly filled out in the article - if it's title is missing words, or words have been added - that photo does not exist - on Wikipedia. So next time, just remember to fill out the title correctly, and then you will be able to see those really nice pictures on Wikipedia. Yes, that atrium picture looks really great!
If there is anything else you need, I'll be here. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 02:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


hello melbournestar

I AM STEPHANIE LIGHTFOO-BENNETT leons twin the changes i made was to fill in the parts people dont no about i was thee i have all the transcript and leon post mort pics i was there so allow me to edit

many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by S lightfoot-bennett (talkcontribs) 12:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Please take a good read of these three policies: WP:Conflict of Interest, WP:Vandalism and WP:No Original Research. Thank you, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 13:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)


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Thanks for the save

Getting rather strange! Thanks again Jim1138 (talk) 08:49, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! I have reverted, and reported to AIV. That's harrassment from an editor of a vandalism only account. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 08:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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Ben Breedlove Deletion Discussion

There have been almost 30,000 hits to Ben's article in the last day.Petersontinam (talk) 02:50, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I know :) 370,000 in the past week! -- MSTR (Happy New Year!) 08:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I am so releived that the article is being kept! I truly do not believe that he is going to be low profile.Petersontinam (talk) 13:51, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Yep, isn't it charming there wasn't any consensus whatsoever to delete the article? --Bryce (talk | contribs) 16:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
How do you put in a reference for where "as of January 7 2012 both videos have had 9.5 mill views"? The existing ref is to an article and not to proof of the count. Thank youPetersontinam (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
There's no doubt that this article will be AfD's in the future. If it goes so far in being deleted, I will be appealing it. This is absolutely absurd, to delete an article - with that much notability. The "did you see? he's decreased in notability" - well that's what generally happens when you have died. Is the Michael Jackson article still as popular as it was when he was alive? No. I can name other celebrities that have died - still their articles aren't flourishing as they once used to. We have articles on historical significance - what happened accross last month and this month - and is still going - that's history. Articles on former companies that no longer operate - why are they still there? This is cherry picking at it's best. I sure as hell won't endure another AfD without the facts. Because not only are they a waste of my time, a waste of yours - but they definately question my editing - and no, not a great feeling to have. Sorry about my rant.
Petersontinam: There is no need for an actual reference - the account is in the external links for people to check - plus WP:ABOUTSELF would apply :) -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 03:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Melbournestar: Thank you for your answer. I was being hypersensitive to someone finding fault with the article, in any way, who might have used it against "keeping", sorry. I checked the history and was amazed at the edits to the article that bordered on vandalism (though I haven't been here long enough to be sure of vandalism or much else). You are doing a great job, and seem to work your butt off for Wikipedia. There is a lot of passion in this community, and that will inevitably cause heated debates. I agree with what you said above. Think of this, 17,000+ hits in one day is a crazy amount still- and shows relevance. There are thousands of articles here that have only a hundred hits in a month. I am frightened at the people I am seeing that are talking about putting this article right back to AfDPetersontinam (talk) 23:54, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, Petersontinam, you're doing a marvellous job of asking editors questions - getting to know our policies. Most people would say a first edit on Wikipedia, be on an AfD - is a bad isea - I think otherwise. Not only have you gotten to know editors, but have gotten to know our policies - strict some of them are - but that's how the cookie crumbles. With the Ben Breedlove article - I don't like what's happening either. I can tell you now, my mind won't be changing tommorow, next week, next month. It will be the same opinion now, that I'll have forever. It's ridiculous that there are claims of no-notability - yet he's been mentioned by world news organisations. I think this is a good idea - I'll see how to add it in. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 01:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)