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Happy editing! Cheers, Doug Weller talk 13:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You have recently edited a page related to the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed, a topic designated as contentious. This is a brief introduction to contentious topics and does not imply that there are any issues with your editing.

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Doug Weller talk 13:33, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish Vandalism

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Hello NICTON t! Nice to meet you again, recently there has been a User under the name "Semsûrî" Who has been vandalising pages like Laylan Subdistrict, Turkmeneli,Mandali and Daquq etc. They even opened an ANI against me named "disruption of Kirkukturk3" because I didn't source the Anthem and the Map for turkmeneli(which is obviously stupid because both are sourced) and when I sourced the Anthem they claimed "its poorly sourced" they're even trying to get admins to be on their side. Why do Kurds love vandalising pages? Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 15:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ,im very interested in this topic.
how about getting in touch in telegaram/ whatsapp/anything suits you , so we can figure something out more effectively.
remember that we can always report them or any admin to the higher administrators, vandalism should not be tolerated.
my telegram user @neverever90 NICTON t (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will contact you as soon as I manage to find my phone, Thanks in advance! Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 15:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome ,i will be waiting for you . NICTON t (talk) 15:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey there partner! Just checking in about 8 hours after our last convo. If creating a TG account are not possible at the moment, we can use other DM chatting platforms such as instagram , facebook messenger or anything that suits you , I'm so invested in this topic , and i'm so ready to arrange something to make our changes on Turkmeneli or other pages to be accepted by admins .
I currently have plans to open a ”Talk” on each page talk section and present our evidence to our changes . By this way our possibility of changing the content of any page rises from 50% to 95% . NICTON t (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As of right now my phone is lost.
I will see if I can do anything tomorrow about it. Kirkuk☆ (Selaj/konuş) 23:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but you have a major problem. We have no reason to think you and the blocked editor won't continue to work together, and this is called WP:Proxying and not allowed. Doug Weller talk 16:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a warning? If so, please issue an independent warning against me. I would like to have a formal warning so I can lodge a complaint regarding this matter. NICTON t (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is a warning telling you to avoid proxying. Report me if you like. Doug Weller talk 17:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I wasn’t specific enough, if you are disruptive in the contentious topic area you may be topic banned, perhaps but not likely by me as my activity will be dropping. Your friend was to a large extent a victim of his lack of understanding and competence(hopefully you have seen some of their confusing sentences). Hopefully that won’t be a problem for you. Doug Weller talk 19:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 2024

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 @Schazjmd just clearifcation , as I couldn’t write in the ani page, the comment was made hours before the user kirkukturk3 were banned , I suggested him to make changes on talk page then in the content page itself .
how it’s considered to be proxying if i suggested that to him before him getting banned by by hours ? NICTON t (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As Doug tried to explain to you, the conversation makes it seem possible (even likely) that you might continue to work with Kirkukturk3, even though they can't edit themselves right now. As you are relatively inexperienced here, you might not know that isn't permissible. You were warned so that you could avoid WP:Proxying. Schazjmd (talk) 21:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good morning , a second review on my second request would be very appreciated.
@Bbb23@Yamla NICTON t (talk) 13:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Declined. I have already reviewed one of your requests, it would be inappropriate for me to decline another. Please don't ping me again. --Yamla (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NICTON t (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

hi wiki admins , im sorry for taking like 3 days for making a request , as i used this 3 days in careful reading the wiki rules ( which i didn’t do before) therefore i requested the ban to be removed as it was á totally mistake from my side , i do acknowledge that and I would want to mention that im sorry and wont do it again. This was my first ban here and it would be the last , i also would like to ensure that if you lift it off it wont repeat again you will not see me on appeal list no more . Thank you for consideration. NICTON t (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

  • the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
  • the block is no longer necessary because you
    1. understand what you have been blocked for,
    2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
    3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

NICTON t (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Hi again, my block is no longer necessary to prevent damage to wiki , because 1- i have read and understood the wiki guidelines and rules . 2- i have learned from my mistakes 3- i assure to not repeat it again. :I acknowledge that i was banned for violating WP:CNH (treating editing as a battlefield) . I now after reading it fully understand it and how dangerous its , and promise to adhere to it stickily. :I promise not to engage is disruptive behavior again . I will approach disagreement calmly and constructively. :Im still committed to add usefull knowledge to wiki that will benefit all of mankind. NICTON t (talk) 18:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

Unblocking per the conditions agreed to below, with agreement from blocking admin. permalink: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NICTON_t#c-Floquenbeam-20240708161300-NICTON_t-20240708154600 Floquenbeam (talk) 16:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the thing. We already have far too many POV warriors. We don't need more. Your editing pattern before the block makes many people believe you're likely to do it again. Right up until the block, you've been editing exactly the same way as someone we would just never want to unblock. It's exhausting. Your unblock requests say the right things, but I suspect the reason they haven't been accepted is that many people do not believe they are heartfelt; it seems, based on your edits before the block, that you're just saying after the block what you think we want to hear.

So here's an offer. I'll unblock you (after verifying that it is OK with the blocking admin; User:Bbb23, is this OK?) if you promise to not edit any contentious topics (you must actually read that link) at all for one year - including the articles, talk pages, user talk pages, noticeboards, everything - and if you promise to edit collaboratively. There are millions of uncontentious articles; limit yourself to them, and don't get into fights at uncontentious articles. Zero contentious topics, zero fights with other people. If you do either of those things before the year is up, I'll reblock you and remove your ability to request an unblock on-wiki, in order to limit the disruption you have been causing other editors (the reason you're currently blocked). If you don't do any of those things, I'll remove the editing restriction in a year.

This is a very strict unblock condition. Don't agree to it lightly. Take your time deciding. I'm not doing this for you, this is something of an experiment. I feel we should either unblock people in your position with strict conditions, or not give you false hope by allowing many unblock requests when really no one is ever going to accept.

If this is OK with you, say so here. If this seems too restrictive, say that here, and we'll see if another admin is willing to unblock with less strict conditions. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam
I couldn't write that as a reply to your previous comment as " unexpected error "kept popping out
I wanted to say that i'm truly grateful for your experimental offer , I do accept it proudly and i will make sure to not break your trust in me . NICTON t (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but ... that was pretty quick. And (I promise this wasn't an intentional trick) I just realized that when I linked to "contentious topics" above, WP:CT is actually "citation templates". But you're claiming you read the link? I feel like you might not be taking this seriously, and it is really your last chance. At least read WP:Contentious topics, and look at the list of them here. Confirm that you agree not to edit in those areas at all. It's a strict limitation, you'll need to be confident that every article/talkpage you want to edit isn't subject to those restrictions. Tell me you've done that, and you understand the difficulty, and I'll unblock. Floquenbeam (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do understand and did indeed read your previous highlighted styles related page , i did understand from your last reply that you were referring to pages like kirkuk by Contentious topics , to prove that i read your current reply such topic are listed under kurds. Which last edit of mine like was 3 years ago idk ? Only comments were added … i can assure you not editing on any of these topics including kurds or any other topic and i can use my account edits history as a proof for that .
i accept your experimental unban no commenting, no editing , no talk page and no personal talk page of any of the topics mentioned in the CT including KURDS . NICTON t (talk) 15:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And - important! - no getting into fights/arguments in other topics. The only way I can think of to do that is to assume everyone you're dealing with is trying to help you and help the encyclopedia, and assume everyone knows more about how this place works than you do. OK, give me a second to do the paperwork, I'll note here when you're unblocked. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I promise no fights . NICTON t (talk) 16:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Floquenbeam (talk) 16:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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