User talk:Ndouchi

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Be aware that your article Arabstudent.org has been marked for deletion, suggesting that it be deleted according to the Wikipedia's deletion process. Your contributions is appreciated; however an editor believes that it fails to satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. The editor has explained why on the article's AfD nomination page (also see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Importance). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues that have been raised at Talk:Arabstudent.org. You are invited to also comment on the article's AfD nomination page. Thank you! James084 14:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

September 2012

Hello, I'm Rafy. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions to Assyrian Genocide because it didn't appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Rafy talk 10:50, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May 2013

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Assyrian–Chaldean–Syriac diaspora. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.

If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor then please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Kathovo talk 15:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Syriac Genocide should be a separate article, not redirect to the Assyrian Genocide

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that Category:Syriac Genocide should be a separate article, not redirect to the Assyrian Genocide, a page that you created, has been tagged for deletion. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:This should not redirect to Assyrian people

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that Category:This should not redirect to Assyrian people, a page that you created, has been tagged for deletion. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

It appears to be a test page. (See section G2 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, and take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, you can place a request here. Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, I have no particular opinion about whether Syriac people should redirect to Assyrian people, or anything like that. But whatever you are trying to say would probably be better off on the talk page of the article involved. Putting your message into a category name won't work properly. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

February 2014

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Assyrian genocide, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Kathovo talk 16:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Syriac/Assyrian conflict

I am aware of the naming conflict, a consensus needs to be established first on the Assyrian people page before editing related pages. If you are interested please go to that article's talk page, start a discussion and back your opinion with reliable references. You can eventually start a renaming proposal. That said, there is nowhere in the world were this edit is justified, if you continue with this mentality you will only manage to get yourself banned from editing in Wikipedia.--Kathovo talk 16:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not arguing on whether your edits corrected errors, in fact I agree with many things you wrote, in fact if you take a look at my edits you'll notice I prefer using Syrian instead of Assyrian in articles I create. I'm mainly concerned with your behaviour; mass blanking and removal of reference can only be considered vandalism. That said, you seen to have some difficulties understanding how Wikipedia works, please take some time to read the welcome template on the top of the this page.--Kathovo talk 23:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a question of preference. These are facts. The references exist, but I have no way of adding them because it is a "semi-protected" section. Additionally, I did not delete, but rather added to the issue of the controversy. The confusion of naming the Syriac people as Assyrian, a label they loathe, began because of the few orientalists that did visit Mesopotamia in the mid-19th century, during the rise of the Assyrian nationalism, simply confused every non-Armenian Christian as Assyrian. There is evidence, both modern and ancient, especially from Greek sources clearly stating the Syriacs to be Aramaeans. They never said the same about Assyrians, and never said that the Syriacs were Assyrians. Today, virtually all Syriacs (not Syrian) Christians never identify themselves as Assyrians. In fact, in Syriac, the term "Assyrian" is equated with the term "enemy." You must allow the references and notes portion of the article to be edited so such such references can be added. There is a dozen of Syriac scholars who have expressed to me their dismay at the disinformation spread by wikipedia on the topic and suspect that it is the zealotry of Assyrian nationalists at work.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndouchi (talk • contribs) 17:10, 26 February 2014

Looking back at the edit history of Assyrian genocide it appears again that you removed 34Kb out of 47Kb, that is over 70% of its text. I believe that this was unintentional but means that you still have to acquaint yourself with how Wikipedia works. BTW Most Syriacs I know, have no problem with identification as Assyrians, many prefer to be identified as such. The usage of the term Assyrian in antiquities is very complex, certainly it appeared to mean enemy under biblical influence as explained by A. Harrak in Redefining Christian Identity. However, the same term had other meanings. Somehow I have a feeling that those "Syriac scholars" you mentioned earlier are nothing but Henri Kifa, an ideologue of the Aramean Democratic Organization, while I have nothing against him or his party, there is a reason why he didn't manage to publish any of his articles in peer-reviewed journals.

Again, if you disagree with the current name start a page rename proposal and cite proper sources to back up your claim. Cheers--Kathovo talk 12:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds to me that you are the one who is an Assyrian ideologue. And your use of the "most Syriacs" you "know" shows that most of the Syriacs you know are in fact the fringe Syriacs (less than 5%) who have been persuaded by the Assyrian nationalists that all Aramaeans were Assyrians. Somehow, nationalists have always been dishonest people to be scholars, let alone handlers of encyclopedae. At any rate, it is truly a waste of time to negotiate anything with a man who abuses his power and believes he's doing the right thing. If you truly wanted people to believe the truth, you'd open the segment on references for editing and you'll see the flood of references by scholars that not only are not Henri Kefa but who have also long passed away, scholars of an international reputation. Just open the segment for editing if you truly are not one who intends to monopolize the minds of his readers.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndouchi (talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 March 2014

Well there are many establishments by Syriacs that hold the name Assyrian in them: Mtakasto, Furqono, Assyriska, etc... I highly doubt that supporters of those and other "Assyrianist" parties account for less than 5% as you claim.

Anyway this is not my point. You may edit any page given that you provide reliable references to your claims, starting with "less than 5% of Syriacs reject Assyrian nationalism". If you believe I'm abusing my reviewer rights please feel free to leave a request for commentfrom uninvolved editors or even start a new discussion thread atAdministrators noticeboard regarding my "dishonesty". Cheers.--Kathovo talk 11:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a minute. You want me to provide you with evidence to that simple fact when you and your likes have gone around to obliterate the existence of the Syriac people? Before I bother to waste my time, do you care to explain how half of all Christian Syrians ended up becoming Assyrians somehow, which is the actual percentage (and number) of self-identifying Syriacs in Syria? Do you care also to explain if that is a matter of established academic terminology or mere infiltration of Assyrian nationalists into wikipedia? Check out the article on the Assyrian People. That, too, I couldn't change to make it reflect the truth. So, yes, those you mentioned are far less than 5% of all Syriacs (I am one), and growing as a Syriac, we knew precisely who were Syriacs and who were identified themselves as Assyrians (those who were with the Assyrian party). The vast majority of Syriacs (who are in Syria, naturally) that weren't apolytical were either in the Communist party, Ba'th Party, or the Syrian Nationalist Party. The latter attracted the sympathy of most Syriacs. Again, for my personal inbox to be the host of this information is pointless. As I said, if you are a genuine pursuant of truth, you'd open a public encyclopedia to the public and not hijack it for your political ideology as I have none of my own. Again, I know that I can edit any page, but it will quickly be unedited simply because it offends the sensibilities of the Assyrianists. I want to have access to the reference sections and a guarantee that no fact backed up by credible sources may get unedited. And for your information, the segments which you deleted last did not undo anyone's additions. I merely added to the controversy over the names. Even that, you did not like to see. You can begin to see the references once these "semi-protected" status that has been undone. This status is hardly there on most respectable pages on Wikipedia.--— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndouchi (talk • contribs) 14:53, 3 March 2014

Actually I would prefer calling myself Syriac although I don't mind being called Assyrian. And no I don't have exact percentages of how Syriacs identify themselves and I doubt anybody knows for sure. Again feel free to use the links I posted earlier if you disagree with me.--Kathovo talk 14:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

March 2014

This is your last warning. The next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia, as you did at Assyrian genocide, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Kathovo talk 18:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]