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Nomination of Harvey and the Wallbangers for deletion
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Speedy deletion nomination of Beach Boogie
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A tag has been placed on Beach Boogie, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
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- I did notice your note on the talk page. However, I am afraid that the speedy deletion nomination was correct. Since you're a newer editor, I wanted to clear a few things up. Firstly, it appears you were rather closely connected with the event, and you even photographed it from a helicopter. (I'm rather envious of that one; that must have been very fun indeed.) However, for any of us, it is very difficult to write in a neutral way about things which we are close to. In this case, the article starts out with
...based on the beautiful Isle of Wight...
, and continues on in the same way from there:With high quality dance instruction, by some of the best teachers from the UK and abroad, madcap games, exhilarating performances and non-stop dancing the camp attracted an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life.
"Beautiful", "high quality", "best", "madcap", "exhilarating", "non-stop", "eclectic", etc., are all puff terms which have no place in an encyclopedia article. Our goal is to inform, not excite, the reader. Similarly, photographs should be at thumbnail size, not stretching across the entire page. Again, photos and other media are there to inform, not excite.In addition, you cited no independent and reliable sources, only some of the organization's own material. You also stated in your talk page note that "It is likely that these facts could be lost without inclusion in such articles." Wikipedia articles should never contain a fact unavailable elsewhere. Rather, they should be based solely on facts already published in independent and reliable sources. If substantial quantities of such reliable and independent source material don't exist about this event, it is not appropriate for us to have an article about it at all.It seems your primary purpose is to memorialize your memories of the event and how much you enjoyed it. And of course that is fine, but Wikipedia is not the appropriate place to do that. If that's what you would like to do, please use a personal website or social media instead. Seraphimblade Talk to me 10:45, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your note on the above. I agree that the text may have been more flamboyant than was appropriate and redrafting of this would be better. I did try however to make the article factual, with details of the event in table format taking the information from printed sources that were available. I also agree with you regard to the large photograph at the bottom of the article, but this was more to do with my basic understanding of writing wiki than was actually intended (ie this is how it appeared when inserted and probably needs more suitable coding). With regard to the independant sources, sometimes these are very limited and as long as the basic source is reliable it would be difficult to easily cross references these against other information from different sources, especially in an era before the internet. I slightly disagree with your statement "memorialize your memories" as this was a significant chapter in shaping the modern partner dance enviroment and I think the article would be of interest to countless people and that there would be significant additional contributions from others that would improve the quality of the information and add more detail to the article. Would a republication be worthwhile, taking into account the comments you have made? For any future articles it would probably be better to have a review via sandbox before publification, but again in this instance this was more that I am new to writing such articles and am just getting to grips with the process.
- Only if there is a substantial quantity of reliable and independent published reference material available about the subject. (Note that it need not be online; books and other printed reference material are entirely acceptable as sources, so long as your citation would permit any reader to verify the information by finding a copy of that work themselves, but personal knowledge, interviews you conduct yourself, material in private collections or otherwise unavailable to the general public, etc., cannot be used as a source for article material.) If you can find that, stick only to facts verified by those sources. If not, we should not have an article about the subject, regardless of who might find it interesting. Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:51, 16 October 2020 (UTC)