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DYK for Cherry ice cream[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 7 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cherry ice cream, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "Cherry Garcia" (pictured) is a cherry ice cream named after Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cherry ice cream. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cherry ice cream), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

As it happens, I did know that particular fact. Nevertheless, I would say, "good one". ๐Ÿ’€๐Ÿ˜€ โ€” Mudwater (Talk) 00:21, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
@Mudwater: Are you b.s.-ing me? I'd of never thought that you would know about this factoid. Sert - happy smile.svg North America1000 00:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Question about a close[edit]

Last thing I want to do is challenge your decision on a close but this one has me spinning and laughing out loud. I realize you lean closer to being an inclusionist than a deletionist but the delete/merge arguments were incredibly convincing, not to mention the topic itself. What argument swayed you most to make the determination that "Opinions are divided, and no consensus". If we go by the division, 30 delete to 18.5 keeps but not counting !iVotes, the following arguments are convincing, particularly since several who provided those arguments are respected NPP editors: [1], [2],[3]. Of the 18.5 keeps, one was by the article creator who has a total of 377 edits, has created 2 articles, one of which was deleted. Another questionable action was by the nom who had trouble coming to a decision as evidenced here. But I think this argument should have clinched it as a delete because it is clearly WP:POVFORK and noncompliant with WP:NPOV as indicated in this statement, as well as here, and even more so here. All of it is capped by an excellent explanation of why it should be deleted here. With the utmost respect, I am asking you to reconsider your close. Atsme๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ง 15:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

  • @Atsme: Based upon the overall discussion, a no consensus close was the most accurate. Note that while AfD discussions are not based upon an !vote count, the contrasting opinions that existed in the discussion does have some play in the matter, and opinions were quite divided, in my opinion. Also, the statistics you provided above are incorrect. See this page for accurate stats. Some points:
  • Note that six of the delete !votes also suggested the possiblity of merging.
  • Some delete !votes did not provide any policy- or guideline-based rationales: for example, some just stated that the article is "trivial" or "unencyclopedic", but this is not particularly covered in WP:NOT, and WP:TRIVIA applies to trivia sections in articles, rather than entire articles. See also the following links to the Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions essay page, which provides some opinion about this matter: WP:NOTENCYCLOPEDIC, WP:IDL. The essay page is certainly not a policy or a guideline, but it provides some content that may be useful to you.
  • Conversely to the point directly above, most of the keep !votes provided guideline-based rationales for article retention.
Also, regarding, "... you lean closer to being an inclusionist than a deletionist ...", I disagree with this, because I'm neither, and my close is not correlated with any opinions or edits I have performed when contributing to other AfD discussions. North America1000 23:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
My apologies for the mischaracterisation and for not recognizing that you don't lean, Northamerica1000. I should've known that, but I mistakenly based my comment on a single experience; i.e., your denial of my prod at the midnight hour, and that wasn't fair to you. Back on point...I respectfully disagree with your decision to keep Donald Trump's handshakes based on the consensus. I am also troubled by the article's blatant use of WP:SYNTH in the section Explanation given by Donald Trump, the use of questionable and unreliable sources throughout the article, the possible WP:FRINGE aspects and medical analysis without using high quality sources per WP:MEDRS and the overall attempt to disparage the subject in complete noncompliance with BLP, NPOV, and SYNTH. With the latter in mind, and after taking into consideration your reasons for closing as keep, I have decided, after much deliberation, to challenge the close at AN. I will give you an opportunity to read my comment and respond before I proceed. Atsme๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ง 17:46, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
  • @Atsme: Note that I closed the discussion as no consensus, not as keep that you wrote above. Do whatever you want, but usually, concerns with article content are discussed on article talk pages, rather than at AN. You are much more likely to find users interested in the article and its content on its talk page as well. There's also deletion review as an option, if you're not aware of it. North America1000 00:13, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Northamerica1000, you're absolutely correct about "no consensus" which I would make sure to properly mention despite there not being any difference between that and "keep" since the end result is still "keep", right? Is there an advantage or particular reason for saying "no consensus" in lieu of keep? You said "deletion review"? That's what I thought challenging the close was about, so it appears I'm not aware of it. I actually did read what I thought were the options. Please point me to the review request - I'd much rather go that route. Atsme๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ง 00:41, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
  • @Atsme: See WP:DRV; this is typically where AfD closures are contested. Keep and no consensus closes both result in the page being retained, but they are different types of closes. Nc closes are much more likely to be challenged later compared to keep ones. North America1000 00:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Beer ice cream[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 8 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Beer ice cream, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that beer ice cream has been served at the Great American Beer Festival? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Beer ice cream. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Beer ice cream), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

โ€” Maile (talk) 00:02, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Cheese and crackers[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 14 August 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cheese and crackers, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that cheese and crackers has been described as one of the first fast foods in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cheese and crackers. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cheese and crackers), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex ShihTalk 01:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

As soon as I saw cheese and crackers on the Main Page I knew without even checking that it had to be one of yours... Nicely done. Yunshui ้›ฒๆฐด 12:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui: Thanks; it's a start. I was somewhat surprised that said article did not previously exist before I created it. North America1000 21:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)