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[edit]Hello everybody. We are volunteers who will be helping with the above project. Look forward to your guidance and advice. Thank you.
Dear Wikipedia/Sir/Madam,
I am one of two volunteers who have been asked to amend the Wikipedia Pages of the Old Royal Naval College (ORNC) by the ORLC charity.
As we are new to Wikipedia, we tried to add a couple of paragraphs to the ‘old’ content of the ORNC about a month ago, but our text was not published. I went to the Wikipedia Forum where an advisor checked the status of our amendments and let me know that our added content had been considered as an advertisement or looked like one. It is definitely not the case. Then, I have come across this message stating that the ORNC page matches an entry on the local or global blacklist. Please advise me what to do next as our content does not relate to any advertisement. We need to amend some historic facts of the pages and add information about our awards.
Look forward to receiving your guidance and help. ORNC-W2020 (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Kind regards,
Irina
A new edited version of the Old Royal Naval College text below. It has to replace the current outdated text. Thank you. ORNC-W2020 (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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Old Royal Naval College
Overview The Old Royal Naval College is the architectural centrepiece of Maritime Greenwich, a World Heritage Site [[1]] in Greenwich[[2]], London, described by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO)[[3]] as being of ‘outstanding universal value’. Its buildings have been referred to as ‘among the most outstanding group of Baroque buildings in England.’https://ornc.org/
Today, the Old Royal Naval College is a diverse, cultural space at the heart of Royal Greenwich, and one of London’s most popular venues and visitor attractions; it encompasses 17 acres of public space attracting over 1.2 million visitors every year.
The classical buildings that adorn the site were built as the Royal Hospital for Seamen between 1696 and 1751. Designed by England’s greatest architects, including Sir Christopher Wren and Nicholas Hawksmoor, the buildings are considered amongst the finest in Europe, featuring the sumptuous Painted Hall and the neo-classical Chapel. Prior to that the site was home to the celebrated Greenwich Palace, the favoured Royal residence of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. A small part of the excavated palace, revealed during recent conservation works, can be viewed in the King William Undercroft. The rich maritime history of the site continued after the departure of the Royal Hospital in the 1860s.
From 1873 to 1998 the buildings housed the Royal Naval College, one of the world's foremost naval training establishments. An independent charity, the Greenwich Foundation for the Old Royal Naval College, was established in 1997 to conserve the magnificent Baroque buildings and grounds for present and future generations and to provide opportunities for wide and diverse audiences to enjoy and share their significance.
Today these historic London landmark’s buildings and grounds are open to the public. The Painted Hall, built as a ceremonial dining room quickly became a major tourist attraction, has the greatest grand-scale decorative painting in England and has been described as ‘Britain’s Sistine Chapel’. The abundant and complex painting scheme covers some 4,000 square metres and was designed and executed by Sir James Thornhill between 1707 and 1726. The Painted Hall was the subject of an extensive National Lottery Funded conservation project, completed in 2019. The Chapel of St Peter and St Paul is a neo-classical masterpiece by James ‘Athenian’ Stuart. Featuring a Samuel Green organ and an altarpiece painted by Benjamin West, it is one of the country’s finest 18th-century interiors.
Origins of the site
Main article: Palace of Placentia
A royal manor had existed at Greenwich for centuries before it was given to Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester by his brother, Henry V[[4]] in 1426. Duke Humphrey built a mansion called Bella Court on the site now occupied by the Old Royal Naval College and he was given permission to enclose 200 acres of land to the south of his new mansion to form a hunting park (now Greenwich Park). On Humphrey’s death in 1447, Bella Court was taken over by Margaret of Anjou[[5]], wife of Henry VI[[6]], and was renamed the Palace of Placentia[[7]].
From 1498 onwards the Palace of Placentia was transformed by Henry VII [8] into a magnificent new royal residence which became known as Greenwich Palace. The Palace was to play a major role in life of his son, Henry VIII[[9]]. Henry VIII was born here and it became one of his favourite palaces, with excellent hunting in the adjoining royal park. He spent lavishly on further enhancements, including the addition of a new stable block, tiltyard (for jousting) and armoury complex. Greenwich was comparable with Hampton Court for its apartments, gardens and open spaces. It was at Greenwich that Henry married his first wife, Catherine of Aragon[[10]], and where he had his second wife, Anne Boleyn[[11]], arrested for treason before she was taken to the Tower of London for trial and execution. It was at Greenwich too that Henry’s daughters, the future Queens Mary I[[12]] and Elizabeth I[[13]], were born, and where his son and successor Edward VI[[14]] died aged fifteen, after six years as King. And it was here that in 1585 Elizabeth I signed the death warrant of her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots [[15]](‘from Greenwich, in haste’).
Greenwich Palace fell into disrepair during the English Civil War, and was used as a biscuit factory before becoming a prisoner of war camp.
Following the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, Charles II [[16]] dreamed of creating an English Versailles at Greenwich. Work began to demolish the old Greenwich Palace and to create a new palace to designs by John Webb. Part of what is now King Charles Court had been built when money for the project ran out and work stopped in 1672.
Greenwich Hospital Greenwich Hospital, London[[17]]
In 1694 King William III[[18]] granted the location of Greenwich Palace as the site for a new charitable institution for naval veterans, the Royal Hospital for Seamen. This was in accordance with the wishes of his late wife, Mary II[[19]], who had been moved to act after the Battle of La Hogue in 1692, a British victory that eased the threat of French invasion but resulted in terrible injuries and loss of life. The Royal Hospital for Seamen, later better known as Greenwich Hospital, was intended to be a fitting home for sailors who could no longer serve in the Navy because of age, illness or injury. Queen Mary was inspired by compassion for the fate of injured sailors but she also understood how a patriotic project like this could help unite the country and encourage men to enlist.
Sir Christopher Wren[[20]] and Nicholas Hawksmoor[[21]], the two most distinguished architects of their time, designed four symmetrical courts: King Charles Court (begun by John Webb in the 1660s) and Queen Anne Court, close to the River Thames; and King William Court and Queen Mary Court set further back from the river and with matching domes and colonnades. The foundation stone was laid in 1696.
The ‘Greenwich Pensioners’, as they became known, took up residence at the Hospital from 1705 onwards. At its peak the Hospital housed up to 2700 Pensioners: the youngest was twelve when he arrived, the oldest lived into his nineties. Only the Pensioners themselves could live in the Hospital: wives and children had to find their own accommodation nearby, so the presence of the Hospital had a major impact on the life of the town of Greenwich.
In 1712, Greenwich Royal Hospital School was established to provide boys from seafaring backgrounds with education in arithmetic and navigation. The Greenwich Hospital Commissioners were awarded the Royal Charter to hold a market in Greenwich, which they did from 1737 onwards. In 1831 they built a modern market building in the centre of the town which still functions as Greenwich Market.
The epic mural scheme of the Painted Hall, in King William Court, was completed over a nineteen-year period (1707-1726) by Sir James Thornhill[[22]]. The artist was knighted in 1720 for numerous works he had undertaken at Hampton Court, St Paul’s Cathedral and the Royal Hospital. The result is a Baroque masterpiece of allegorical, scientific, religious and political storytelling, considered by many to be the British equivalent of the ‘Sistine Chapel.’[[23]]
The neoclassical Chapel of St. Peter & St. Paul, in Queen Mary Court, was originally completed in 1751 but was gutted by fire early on the morning of 2 January 1779. The elegant Chapel interior we see today was designed by James ‘Athenian’ Stewart["Athenian"_Stuart] and William Newton[[24]] and was completed in 1789. The altar painting is by Benjamin West[[25]] who also designed the Coade stone medallions set into the pulpit. The Chapel contains many allusions to the sea, such as a rope pattern in the marble flooring. It also houses a very fine 18th-century organ by Samuel Green.
In 1805 the Hospital received the body of Lord Admiral Nelson[[26]] after his death aboard HMS Victory. His coffin lay in state in the Painted Hall and was viewed by thousands of people before its journey up the River Thames for the funeral procession through London and burial ceremony at St. Paul’s Cathedral.
From 1824 (until 1936) the Painted Hall served as the National Gallery of Naval Art, displaying hundreds of paintings including works by Turner and Reynolds.
By the mid-19th century, many Naval Pensioners preferred to take a monetary pension and to live in the community rather than in an institution. The Royal Hospital for Seamen (Greenwich Hospital) closed in 1869.
Royal Naval College, Greenwich
Royal Naval College, Greenwich[[27]]
In 1873, four years after the Hospital closed, the buildings took on a new life as a major training establishment for the Royal Navy[[28]]. In 1934 the Painted Hall ceased its role as the National Gallery of Naval Art, and it subsequently became the refectory for the naval trainees. It was also used as a fine banqueting venue for special occasions and welcomed many distinguished guests including Queen Elizabeth II[[29]] and Winston Churchill[[30]].
In 1962 a mini nuclear reactor was installed at the College for research and teaching purposes.
The Royal Navy finally left the College in 1998 and the site passed into the hands of the Greenwich Foundation for the Old Royal Naval College.
Current use:
Today, the Old Royal Naval College is a diverse, cultural space at the heart of Royal Greenwich, and one of London’s most popular venues and visitor attractions; it encompasses 17 acres of public space attracting over 1.2 million visitors every year.
In 2020, the Old Royal Naval College won the London Visitor Attraction of the Year Award at the London Tourism Awards from Visit Londonhttps://www.visitlondon.com/.
As well as welcoming visitors, it is also a venue for business and cultural events and a popular filming locationhttps://ornc.org/our-story/today/film-location/. The Old Royal Naval College shares the site with a vibrant community, including the University of Greenwich[[31]] and Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music and Dance[[32]].
In 1999 some parts of Queen Mary and King William Courts, and the whole of Queen Anne Court and the Dreadnought Building were leased for 150 years by the University of Greenwich. In 2000 Trinity College of Music leased the major part of King Charles. This created a unique new educational and cultural mix of organisations on the site.
Greenwich Foundation for the Old Royal Naval Collegehttps://ornc.org/about-us/governance/
The Greenwich Foundation for the Old Royal Naval College is an independent charity, established in 1997, to conserve the magnificent Baroque buildings and grounds for present and future generations and to provide opportunities for wide and diverse audiences to enjoy and share their significance.
The Foundation was granted a 150-year lease from the freeholders, Greenwich Hospital, in 1998.
The Old Royal Naval College is a scheduled ancient monument with Grade 1 listed buildings, which are overseen by the Greenwich Foundation and its conservation architect, the Surveyor of the Fabric. Each year around 10,000 hours of conservation work is carried out, and over £3 million is spent annually on essential repairs, maintenance and major projects.
Via an award-winning visitor experience, learning programme, volunteering initiatives and a wealth of events, the charity holds a central place within the local community and provides opportunities for diverse audiences to share its significance.
Painted Hall - An award winning conservation project
An £8.5m conservation to clean and conserve Sir James Thornhill’s magnificent 17th Century paintings was completed in 2019 as part of three-year project.
The Painted Hall project was developed with the aim of cleaning and conserving Thornhill’s paintings whilst transforming the quality of visitor experience. Integral to this has been the restoration of the King William Undercroft as a new visitor centre area, with a new café, shop and interpretation gallery. Whilst the conservation work was taking place the public were given a unique opportunity to get up close to view the conservation work as it took place via a special scaffolding deck and tour of the ceiling.
Following a successful first phase of the project in 2012-13 to conserve the West Wall and Upper Hall ceiling, the main project to clean and conserve the Lower Hall ceiling was implemented between 2016 and 2019. The project brought together a team of internationally distinguished experts, from painting conservators to environmental monitoring specialists. The project addressed the damaging effects of sustained exposure to sunlight; removed the layers of varnish used by previous restorers and the build-up of dirt and dust that had accumulated on the painting; cleaned the overall surface, applied new modern varnishes where necessary and improved the environmental conditions in the Painted Hall with new lighting, heating and humidity control systems.
Visitor access and engagement with the conservation process was an integral part of the project from its inception. The erection of a specially designed, publicly accessible scaffolding offered a unique opportunity to see Thornhill’s ceiling, and the work being done to conserve it, at close quarters. The project was one of the largest open-access conservation projects in Europe.
The scaffolding was taken down at the end of 2018 and final works were completed in the Painted Hall and Undercroft, ready for a public reopening in March 2019.
The National Lottery Heritage Fund part-funded the project with a £3.1million grant and the project was delivered under the overall direction of the Old Royal Naval College’s former Conservation Director, Will Palin, and lead designers Hugh Broughton Architects
The Painted Hall conservation project has won a number of awards, including a Museums & Heritage Award for Restoration/Conservation Project of the Year and three RIBA awards:
RIBA London Award 2019
RIBA London Conservation Award 2019
RIBA National Award 2019
In 2019, the Painted Hall was nominated for a New London Architecture Award in the Conservation and Retrofit category – alongside the likes of Alexandra Palace.https://www.architecture.com/awards-and-competitions-landing-page/awards/riba-regional-awards/riba-london-award-winners/2019/the-painted-hall
Chapel
The Chapel is open to visitors daily from 10.00-17.00 and is free to access. It features a distinctive 18th century curved ceiling, and the interior was designed by James ‘Athenian’ Stuart.
The Chapel in the Parish of St Alfege[[33]] remains a working church to this day, with special services such as weddings accommodated. It is also used as a venue for a variety of events including lunchtime recitals, evening performances, graduations and awards ceremonies.
Film & TV location (general info)
The Old Royal Naval College has become a well-known backdrop for many films and television series, with Empire Magazine calling it the ‘most popular filming location in the world’.https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/greenwich-popular-film-location/ Over the past 60 years, more than 50 films have been shot at the location as well as numerous TV productions including, most recently, The Crown.
Productions have included Indiscreet (1958), Patriot Games[[34]], Four Weddings and a Funeral[[35]], The Madness of King George[[36]], The Mummy Returns[[37]], The Avengers[[38]],Lara Croft: Tomb Raider[[39]].
The first production to be filmed on site was Indiscreet in 1958, with many following throughout the decades, including: Sherlock Holmes, The Crown, Skyfall, Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides, The King's Speech[[40]], The Dark Knight Rises[[41]], Les Miserables[[42]], Thor: The Dark World[[43]]. https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?locations=Old%20Royal%20Naval%20College,%20Greenwich,%20London,%20England,%20UK
Location and entry
The Old Royal Naval College is located at King William Walk, London SE10 9NN.
The Painted Hall, Chapel and Visitor Centre are open daily, 10am–5pm. The grounds are open daily.
Tickets for the Painted Hall can be purchased at the Visitor Centre and in the King William Undercroft beneath the Painted Hall. An audio-described pre-recorded guide to the Painted Hall is available.
The site is located in the heart of Maritime Greenwich, just an eight-minute train journey from London Bridge Station.
It can be accessed via the DLR (Docklands Light Rail), with Cutty Sark station a three-minute walk from the site. The DLR also has links to the London Underground and other rail services.
External References: https://ornc.org/ - Official website https://ornc.org/our-story/today/painted-hall-tours/ - Virtual tour of the Painted Hall https://soundcloud.com/user-244278858/recording-fri-06-09-2019-with-intro-v3 - Audio introduction to the Old Royal Naval College Site http://www.greenwichworldheritage.org/ - Maritime Greenwich https://www.gre.ac.uk/events/opendays?gclid=CjwKCAiAgc-ABhA7EiwAjev-j0ZqJ_wjEzk2UtSxaB9gnXeZqQP33ugj96JtlRx9dT_PYhy9X9lYkhoChAsQAvD_BwE - The University of Greenwichhttps://www.trinitylaban.ac.uk/study/music/ - Trinity Laban Conservatoire of Music and Dance (Faculty of Music)
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Dear Administrator, the Old Royal Naval college's new content was sent for your review and editing about one hour ago. I have not included information about my volunteering in the article as I did not find a space where i can do it.
I understand that I need to declare my conflict of interest with the topic. Herewith, I have confirmed it.
Please advise if anything else has to be done.
Thank you. Irina
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I have a conflict of interest in the amending the article as I am a volunteer at the Old Royal Naval College foundation. I have agreed to help them change the current content of the article, which has been on Wikipedia for quite a while and needs updating. Please let me know if it is sufficient enough to explain the conflict of interest. If not, please advise me what to do. I look forward to your response. Thank you. Irina
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Dear Z1720 and others, please let me know if it is sufficient for declaring my conflict of interest now. thank you again. Best, Irina
ORNC-W2020 (talk) 14:35, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- As requested above this declaration needs to be on your user page not here. Theroadislong (talk) 14:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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*Information to be added and removed: Need to change the article about the Old Royal Naval College *Explanation of issue: Current info is out of date:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Old_Royal_Naval_College*
Old Royal Naval College
Overview
The Old Royal Naval College is the architectural centrepiece of Maritime Greenwich, a World Heritage Site [[1]] in Greenwich[[2]], London, described by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO)[[3]] as being of ‘outstanding universal value’. Its buildings have been referred to as ‘among the most outstanding group of Baroque buildings in England.’https://ornc.org/
Today, the Old Royal Naval College is a diverse, cultural space at the heart of Royal Greenwich, and one of London’s most popular venues and visitor attractions; it encompasses 17 acres of public space attracting over 1.2 million visitors every year.
The classical buildings that adorn the site were built as the Royal Hospital for Seamen between 1696 and 1751. Designed by England’s greatest architects, including Sir Christopher Wren and Nicholas Hawksmoor, the buildings are considered amongst the finest in Europe, featuring the sumptuous Painted Hall and the neo-classical Chapel. Prior to that the site was home to the celebrated Greenwich Palace, the favoured Royal residence of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. A small part of the excavated palace, revealed during recent conservation works, can be viewed in the King William Undercroft. The rich maritime history of the site continued after the departure of the Royal Hospital in the 1860s.
From 1873 to 1998 the buildings housed the Royal Naval College, one of the world's foremost naval training establishments. An independent charity, the Greenwich Foundation for the Old Royal Naval College, was established in 1997 to conserve the magnificent Baroque buildings and grounds for present and future generations and to provide opportunities for wide and diverse audiences to enjoy and share their significance.
Today these historic London landmark’s buildings and grounds are open to the public. The Painted Hall, built as a ceremonial dining room quickly became a major tourist attraction, has the greatest grand-scale decorative painting in England and has been described as ‘Britain’s Sistine Chapel’. The abundant and complex painting scheme covers some 4,000 square metres and was designed and executed by Sir James Thornhill between 1707 and 1726. The Painted Hall was the subject of an extensive National Lottery Funded conservation project, completed in 2019. The Chapel of St Peter and St Paul is a neo-classical masterpiece by James ‘Athenian’ Stuart. Featuring a Samuel Green organ and an altarpiece painted by Benjamin West, it is one of the country’s finest 18th-century interiors.
Origins of the site
Main article: Palace of Placentia
A royal manor had existed at Greenwich for centuries before it was given to Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester by his brother, Henry V[[4]] in 1426. Duke Humphrey built a mansion called Bella Court on the site now occupied by the Old Royal Naval College and he was given permission to enclose 200 acres of land to the south of his new mansion to form a hunting park (now Greenwich Park). On Humphrey’s death in 1447, Bella Court was taken over by Margaret of Anjou[[5]], wife of Henry VI[[6]], and was renamed the Palace of Placentia[[7]].
From 1498 onwards the Palace of Placentia was transformed by Henry VII [8] into a magnificent new royal residence which became known as Greenwich Palace. The Palace was to play a major role in life of his son, Henry VIII[[9]]. Henry VIII was born here and it became one of his favourite palaces, with excellent hunting in the adjoining royal park. He spent lavishly on further enhancements, including the addition of a new stable block, tiltyard (for jousting) and armoury complex. Greenwich was comparable with Hampton Court for its apartments, gardens and open spaces. It was at Greenwich that Henry married his first wife, Catherine of Aragon[[10]], and where he had his second wife, Anne Boleyn[[11]], arrested for treason before she was taken to the Tower of London for trial and execution. It was at Greenwich too that Henry’s daughters, the future Queens Mary I[[12]] and Elizabeth I[[13]], were born, and where his son and successor Edward VI[[14]] died aged fifteen, after six years as King. And it was here that in 1585 Elizabeth I signed the death warrant of her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots [[15]](‘from Greenwich, in haste’).
Greenwich Palace fell into disrepair during the English Civil War, and was used as a biscuit factory before becoming a prisoner of war camp.
Following the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, Charles II [[16]] dreamed of creating an English Versailles at Greenwich. Work began to demolish the old Greenwich Palace and to create a new palace to designs by John Webb. Part of what is now King Charles Court had been built when money for the project ran out and work stopped in 1672. ORNC-W2020 (talk) 11:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- ORNC-W2020 This request needs to be made on the article's talk page Talk:Old Royal Naval College, NOT here where nobody will see it. The article is unlikely to be replaced with your preferred text however, since you provide no reliable sources for any of the content. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic. You have been told this above and ignored it, you have also failed to properly disclose your conflict of interest on your user page here User talk:ORNC-W2020 as previously requested above. Theroadislong (talk) 11:57, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- Please read Theroadislong's comments carefully. This is the third time you have posted your edit request in the wrong spot. More information about edit requests can be found at WP:EDITREQUEST. If you have any questions, please post on the help desk (click me!). I have closed this request. Z1720 (talk) 14:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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