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I noticed your recent NHL edit (on fan base and demographics) and your edit summary comment about referencing, so I thought I'd point you in the right direction. The best place to start is WP:CITE. You may want to add an inline external link (see "embedded HTML links") for the time being, at least until a full reference can be added in the appropriate section, so other editors don't consider it unsourced if they don't happen to see your edit summary. Happy editing! --Fru1tbat 17:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


Sorry about that. I think we had some edit conflict. I am just trying to clean up a first draft of it. It is looking longer than I had predicted however.--Filll 00:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Fact vs. Theory

Ok I have taken a first rewrite of it. It is longer than I wanted. Some of that material we can chuck I suspect. Or move it to the creationism vs. evolution controversy article. Or make a separate article out of it, as you suggest. That is not the worst idea, frankly. Have at it and see if you can make it better. --Filll 00:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Section 3 was caused by an edit conflict. Section 3 is gone now.--Filll 00:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes we did conflict a bit. But I have stopped editing now so you can edit freely.--Filll 01:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes there is a lag after you save. You might have to wait a few seconds and/or refresh the page to see your edits.--Filll 01:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Coding Problem

Wow that is mysterious. I guess I would ask for help at the village pump on the community page. I do not know what is going wrong. I have no problems editing, although occassionally my edits conflict with each other. Sometimes it will not update properly because of server overload at Wikipedia itself.--Filll 18:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

check out Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance) for example.--Filll 18:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


What colors and table design would you suggest?--Filll 19:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The problem with blue text on a white background is that it might get confused with wikilinks. Any other preferences or suggestions? Perhaps a slightly darker blue background but not as dark as the darkest blue I show? How about a pale purplish background?--Filll 19:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Travel box

You're free to borrow it from me or anyone else up the chain. We have no right to say no per WP:OWN anyway, so go nuts with it. :) And I agree, it's pretty spiffy. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 02:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


I think that Velvet elvis81 and probably the vacuous one are sock puppets, probably of kdbuffalo. What do we do to investigate this?--Filll 17:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at this guys user page

User:Jedi Davideus. Over the top IMHO.--Filll 05:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


Hi, I notice that you reverted a silly piece of vandalism to Creationism. Thanks for the effort, if you'd like to do more to rid of such nuisances, Wikipedia:Vandalism gives very good advice: the warnings are steps towards a block. I've found it can be more trouble than help to be too quick in escalating warnings too quickly, so the simple "subst:test" warning is the best start unless the case is vary clear. However, you'll note I've given a blatant vandal warning to the editor in the creationism case [1]. If the problem editor persists, this can be brought up at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. .. dave souza, talk 10:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I wish some of these things were easy to implement. I did a sockpuppet thing against one of our favorite nuisances on the Evolution page, and I had to do so many things to get it done, I about ran out of patience. I figured an administrator needed to deal with this guy. He has been warned numerous times about vandalizing, so he needs a slap. I don't know if you looked at his vandalism, but that took a whole bunch of work to do. I was actually impressed, although I'm not sure I would qualify it as a work of art. Orangemarlin 17:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Grappa-soaked chestnuts

Are apparently only available if one has Italian in-laws that bring them back from the old country. We have been looking for them at Vancouver, BC specialty shops with no luck. There is more involved in making them than soaking the chestnuts in grappa--the chestnuts appear to be candied, and the grappa is sweetened enough to make it almost a light syrup. Somehow the chestnuts get completely impregnated with the grappa--maybe from canning under pressure.--Margareta 17:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

More bee inebriation

I found 2 peer-reviewed references and 4 books that state this. And he still wants to argue. See here User_talk:Dyanega#Euglossine_bees_and_Coryanthes --Filll 19:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Some more amusements

I did some revisions to Exploding animal you might find amusing.--Filll 23:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Your friend raspor

My friend??? LMAO!! Orangemarlin 08:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Stirring up trouble

See Talk:Historical linguistics--Filll 15:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You are really really bad!!!!! LOL. Orangemarlin 16:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


Me? never! Scientific Creationism, Geocentricity, and the Flat Earth, Robert J. Schadewald, Skeptical Inquirer, Winter 1981-1982. Also take a look at [3]. Detect any similarities? --Filll 14:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Some of our draft on Objections to evolution

Has been incorporated into User:Silence/Evolution. I said I would ask you to take a look. Some of my comments are on the talk page.--Filll 22:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

St.-Pierre and Miquelon

They were under the control of Vichy France. Which of course was part of the Axis. The Germans even had a few military people and an officer stationed on the island. I read this someplace and I want to find the source to get it into the article. I am not sure best how to characterize the situation. As I read more it is quite complicated with different parts of the US government trying to do different things, and controversy between the US, Canada and the UK about what to do about the islands, etc. And US attitudes changed after Dec 7, 1941 too I think. So it is far more complicated than it first appears. That is why that part of the narrative is sort of bare; it was so complicated when I looked into it that I did not know what to write.--Filll 23:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually writing some stuff. This is more fun than Evolution!!!!! Orangemarlin 23:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok good. If you can make it more clear about what happened during WWII, that would help. I set it aside some weeks ago for a while when I had it to a somewhat reasonable state. That is why I try to do some random fun articles like bees and toxic chemicals (which is a DYK article right now if you look at the front page!). The evolution stuff is important, but a steady diet of fighting with kooks just gets old. And then I had the situation you saw where I basically was threatened. So I beat a hasty retreat. Because obviously they would take my head right off.--Filll 23:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I won't give up on Evolution and related articles. These people will not stop until they get their way. Don't forget the stories from the Nazi Germany. Prior to Kristalnacht, every Jew in Germany thought, "it won't happen here." Little did they know what "it" would be and that "it" would happen. Threats to Civil Liberties come just a few quotes at a time--If we let the Creationists destroy the Evolution article or write that Creationism IS science, then maybe some school board member in Iowa reads this article, thinks that Creationism really is science, and all of a sudden Religion becomes a subject in public schools. In a few years, everyone has to believe what "they" believe, and you and I will say to each other, "but it can't happen here." Maybe some people on here think I'm nuts just holding the line here and there, but lucky for me I'm not really alone, many people stand in the way of Creationists stealing Civil Liberties by attempting to throw their religion into our schools. I'm happy to participate. Orangemarlin 00:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not care if they want religion in the schools. However, it is WHAT they want to teach and how they want to teach it that bothers me. I would have no problem with comparative religion studies or discussions of the controversy, JUST NOT IN SCIENCE CLASSES. They can teach creationism anywhere else as far as I am concerned (ok not in math either). But it is fine in debate classes and philosophy and psychology and public speaking and social studies and current events and history and language arts and literature and logic and law and civics etc. It just is not science.--Filll 01:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm more strict. Keep religion out of schools. I don't want my children polluted with Christian, Druid, or Voodoo myths. I'll let my Rabbi teach them about religion in a Synagogue, far away from other influence. I'm tolerant of religion being mentioned in a strict historical sense. You know, Romans killed a bunch of Christians, Christians killed a bunch of Jews, Muslim killed a bunch of Christians, Christian killed a bunch of Muslims and Jews, Christians proceeded to kill a lot of other Christians in the name of Christianity, followed by more Christians and Muslims killing Jews, followed by wherever we are today. That's it for the amount of religion that should be taught in school. Orangemarlin 08:29, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Damn. I should have edited that one to get my name out there!!! LOL. Good job. You should have pointed me to St. Pierre & Miquelon article. It's one of my favorite subjects... WWII. Orangemarlin 23:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It is also the reason I gave up on black people. What a nightmare. The African blacks vs. the Arabs vs. the white supremacists vs. the black supremacists vs. The Asians vs. the panAfricans vs. the African americans vs. the Black europeans vs. the black canadians and on and on and on. I gave up. I could not keep them from fighting with each other. --Filll 23:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't even dare to go there. People appear to be using Wikipedia to further their own agenda. Orangemarlin 00:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Well there are a ton of St. Pierre and Miquelon articles. I only scratched the surface of the material available too. I just skimmed some of the documents from the University of Newfoundland and some others.--Filll 23:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is the trivia question you can help answer. What is the name and rank of the German officer who was on the islands and captured when the islands were seized by the Free French? I think he might have had one or two German privates under him as well. That was the German presence on the island, or "occupation force" (sort of, not really since they were probably there by "invitation" of Vichy France).--Filll 23:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
That's going to be tough to find. Orangemarlin 23:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Try these two references. I think you're at a University of some sort, so you might have access: [1] [2] They are definitely in French, so you might have to find one of your Canadian relatives to help out. Orangemarlin 00:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
People are going to come to my talk page and think "huh???? I thought this guy was obsessed with Evolution and Creationists, and here's this discussion on a couple of puny islands off of Canada and some weird article about bees. I must be at the wrong page." Orangemarlin 23:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If people look at my contributions, they will see I have written far more on NONevolution topics than on evolution. I have tons of articles on towns on the Isle of Wight. I have lots of little articles related to hot springs. A few about Hove. A bunch related to Frere Jacques. Just stuff I find fun and interesting.--Filll 00:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I've got to ask. Where the hell do you get the time???? Orangemarlin 01:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Haha. I am a bit of an addict, I have to admit. I do not write as much as I would like, however. Silence was able to finish that article Objections to evolution which we were working on much faster than we could.--Filll 15:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


  1. ^ RISTELHUEBER, R., 1954 - Le coup de main de la France Libre sur St-Pierre et Miquelon. Écrits de Paris, Juillet-Août, pp. 64-70.
  2. ^ St-Pierre et Miquelon, avant l'occupation des îles par les forces navales françaises libres du général de Gaulle, le jour de Noël 1941. Ottawa : Service de l'information France Libre (1942). Brochures no 1 et 2.

user page

Other than the fact that I am not a doctor, don't use a Mac, have little to say about hockey and love the Yankees - we have a lot in common. Oh, no navy background, haven't been in Utah since 1957, don't keep kosher and I'm not Welsh. Not male either. But still. I love Firefox. Thanks for providing a needed laugh. About the Clinton sprot - I can't imagine what the admin meant by not enough vandalism to warrant sprot, but I have asked 2 other admins to review it and if it needs to be formalized I'll pop over and let you know. Tvoz | talk 22:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Even as I was writing the above, sprot was reinstated. Waiting to hear if it's longterm. Mazel tov. Tvoz | talk 23:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone came through for us. Definitely mazel tov. (Uh oh, Fiddler on the Roof is breaking out in my brain....meh.) Orangemarlin 23:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
as long as we're clear it isn't God answering our prayers...Tvoz | talk 23:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Nah,I would never think that!!! Orangemarlin 01:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


I hacked away at this article a bit but maybe you know some more medicine than I do? I just basically threw some notes on the page and found a reference or two.--Filll 01:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Bee inebriation

If you look through my articles and edits, you will notice that I do not always tackle serious subjects, although "bee inebriation" is very serious to some people. I do not just engage in battles with assorted nuts, but I do like to learn things and I like trivia. And I like things like:

  • food trivia
    • did you know we have orange cheese and yellow Phillipino rice from anetto, which is also a major colorant in lipstick and was first used as a warpaint in the Yucutan peninsula? It comes from a tree there
    • carrots apparently were purple with orange middles and the orange was bred as a tribute to the Dutch Royal House of Orange (still tracking that one down)
    • Eggplants were originally white? (hence the name)
    • The Durian is a very smelly fruit from southeast Asia that can be very expensive (about 50 bucks when ripe and fresh). It is illegal to eat it on the subway or in a hotel in some places, because it smells so bad.
    • The bubble drinks in Vietnam and tapioca pudding are made with casaba root, originally from South America, and now mainly eaten as a staple in Africa?
    • Sugar cane origins in Hawaii are a bit of a mystery
    • lutefisk, a Christmas special food in Norway, is made from rotting herring that has been doused in lye to stop the rotting?
    • surstromming, a food eaten in the summer in Sweden, is made from rotting fish that is preserved in salt water and smells so bad you can smell it for a great distance

Other interesting facts:

  • There were three parts of North America actually occupied by the Axis Powers during World War II: Aleutian islands (obviously), Miquelon and Saint-Pierre (part of Vichy France, and still part of France; within territorial boundary waters of Canada), and some locations in the Canadian Arctic occupied by Germans with weather stations to help with naval and aerial combat by making better weather forecasts for the war (completely undetected during the war itself).
  • There are two parts of the lower 48 states that you have to drive through Canada to reach by land (Point Roberts WA and Angle Inlet MN, the latter caused by a misunderstanding of the source of the Mississippi during treaty negotiations)
  • The subway system in New York City has 500 miles of abandoned track and tunnels. It has over 1000 miles of track in use. This of course does not count the above ground rail system that also existed and was removed (something like Chicago's I guess).
  • If you look at a map of the Pacific, you will see that the islands of Hawaii are all lined up in a row. If you include sea mounts and underwater knolls etc, the Hawaiian islands extend a great distance westward and then there is a sharp bend Northward as the island chain continues as the Emperor chain (the whole chain is called the Hawaii-Emperor chain, for obvious reasons). If you date all of these islands (about 50 I think) the dates get progressively older as you move along the chain, westward and then northward. The interesting thing to me is, what happened to cause the sharp bend?
  • Mummies were so plentiful in Egypt that the bodies were used as fuel for early steam locomotives, rather than burn scarce wood or coal.
  • "Mummy extract" was also put in patent medicines and sold to Victorians who wanted to stay young.

So I like to know a few unusual facts.

So in the case of bee inebriation:

  • bees are badly affected by pesticides, fertilizers and other chemicals that man has introduced into the environment. They can appear drunk and dizzy, and even die. This is serious because it has a substantial economic impact of course.
  • bees also have brains and nervous systems that are similar in some ways to humans, and so their behavior when drunk is of interest to scientists in several research teams world wide, who get the bees drunk on purpose to see their behavior
  • some plants rely on getting the bees drunk so they fall inside the plant. When they are inside the plant, the plant glues some pollen sacks to the back of the bee, and then the plant partially closes to trap the bees until the glue dries sufficiently that the pollen sacks will not fall off, and then let the bees go to spread the pollen
  • Some bees like to drink more than others, and become notorious drunks around the hives. So the bees station "bee bouncers" outside the hives to keep the drunk bees from entering the hive and disrupting everything, and force them to stay outside until they sober up. If a bee is a repeat offender and gets drunk too often, the "bee bouncers" will chew the drunk bees legs off as a punishment.

And so on. So as you can see, bee inebriation is an interesting subject. Did you know that most of the bees we have here in the US are not native varieties, but were introduced from Europe to displace the native bees? The indians even referred to them as "white man's flies", according to some writing of Thomas Jefferson. So even bees can be interesting. And this is just a small slice of bee behavior, not counting on their navigational abilities, the behavior when exposed to smoke, the solitary bees, the stingless bees, bees that can sting multiple times, interactions with wasps, battles between bees, etc.--Filll 20:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith's death sends Wikipedia into overdrive

By Angus Kidman Friday, 09 February 2007 News of the death of former Playboy model Anna Nicole Smith has led to a rush of activity at Wikipedia, with administrators at the anyone-can-edit encyclopedia on high aalert to keep vandalism and libellous statements out of the entry for the recently deceased starlet.[4]--Filll 01:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess she's more important than I thought! Orangemarlin 02:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
nope. Tvoz | talk 03:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I presume you saw this

Updated DYK query On 11 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of world's largest wooden ships, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Laïka 13:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I always look, I never saw it up on the page. Orangemarlin 03:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 11 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of world's largest wooden ships, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Laïka 13:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It ran from 12:59 UTC to 19:15 UTC ([5]); the DYK was updated pretty quickly yesterday, but it has been archived. Laïka 11:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Borat's English

Here is an example of where raspor suddenly was able to use the english language:

"I guess one thing I am uncomfortable with is the ethnocentrism of the article. For instance Adnan Oktar has been a proponent of ID for a similar length of time as the Amercian counterparts. He is a proponent in Turkey and in Arabic countries. As you know concepts arise many times simultaneous in different areas. The bias I see in this article is implying that ID is an Amercan Right Wing Christian created concept. It simply is not. There does seem to be a bias againt the Arabic cultures in American elete intellectualism. For instance the 'Dark Ages'. There is little mention as to how much scientific development was going on in the Arabic countries at that time. If one would compare the number of Arabic 'proponents' of ID to the American I really think the numbers would be comparable. But the article seems to imply it is an Amercian phenomenon. Also in France there is an ID 'movement' And the term 'movement' is loaded. I did not seem mention of the evolution 'movement' or the Darwinist 'movement' in those articles. There was not even a criticism section in the Darwinist section.

OK at least at bottom line can we mention the Arabic ID 'movement' in the article to give it more balance?

raspor 17:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)"

Found here

Oh, and of course the example he would give of a leading Islamic IDer actually believes ID is a tool of satan Too funny! Mr Christopher 18:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

That is typical. ID does not like other forms of creationism and vice-versa. OEC and YEC disagree with each other, vehemently. Day-age and progressive creationism disagree. The way I view it is, there basically is a bit of money and power up for grabs. And as these organizations fight for money and power, they do not want their competition to get it.--Filll 18:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I know we all found Raspor to be uncivil, rude and basically unacceptable to the community, but I hope that FM and other administrators did their due diligence before banning Everwill. I'm guessing they have access to IP addresses for every user, so they found out what he was all about. I looked up some of the IP addresses (for the anon accounts), and well, the evidence is pretty clear. Orangemarlin 18:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The style was similar. And the complaints were similar. As much as he might want it, we cannot have the first 10 pages of an article on intelligent design be just pure press releases from the Discovery institute, followed by 1 page of rebuttal. Because that is not what an encyclopedia like WP is. And if a person wants that, there is the ID wiki or the discovery institute website itself.--Filll 18:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you know I agree. I barely want this article in the first place, and you're right. Orangemarlin 20:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

United States Navy

Ooo, I'm faster than you! Eat my dust!  :) -FisherQueen (Talk) 23:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm old. I'm slow. I'm slow and old. I'll get you next time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Orangemarlin 23:14, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

HHOF members on teams

Actually, my reasons for these reversals of User: Payne2tharax's edits are clear. There's no guideline & no consensus on Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey to include ALL HHOFers on ALL 30 teams. There's is however a guideline on Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format to exclude 'brief' tenured HHOF players on NHL teams. My actions weren't of a crusader, but merely pointing out 'Rayne2tharax's edits were without consensus. My actions have 'consensus' & 'guidelines' backing. GoodDay 20:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait a sec, instead of starting an 'Edit War', let's bring the topic up, at Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey & Wikipedia: WikiProject Ice Hockey/Team pages format. 'Edit wars' don't help anyone, they only lead to 'Team pages' being protected. How about it? GoodDay 20:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I've posted at WPH & WPT, reccomending 'deletion' of HHOF section from all 30 teams articles. GoodDay 20:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
PS- Payne2thamax was the editor who went on a 'one-man rampage' days ago (against HHOF guideline), I simply reversed those edits. GoodDay 21:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted all your reverts, of my 'guideline' backed edits. Please, don't turn this into an 'Edit War'. GoodDay 21:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
So in lieu of a consensus we revert to your personal consensus? I don't think I like that. Orangemarlin 00:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

For those of you who thought that Evolution was challenging, the passion of Hockey fans may be the worst!!!! Orangemarlin 00:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Check out these heated discussions

WPP (the Diacritics debate) & Talk: Criticism of Religion. I was involved in the former. GoodDay 01:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Dealing with WP:BLP issues

I've added a warning to the anonymous user's talk page about adding unsourced negative information to biographies of living people. If it happens again you can place another warning yourself (see Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace) and if it still doesn't stop, report the user at Administrator Intervention against Vandalism. —Celithemis 05:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Be careful of confusion by some editors

The goal of some editors is to essentially delete the article or you can help prevent this from happening. This is very clear what is happening. Which do you prefer. A certain editor wants to pretend he does not understand what I am saying. I wonder why.* I recommend to take a close look at the history. I have added information to the article while another editor has deleted information from the article. I wonder why.* The evidence speaks for itself. --QuackGuru 17:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I try to only get into battles with Creationists who try to foist their unverified opinion into scientific articles. I have to admit that I read your comments in the talk page, and it did not make much sense. I want the list to remain for references, but I honestly am not that passionate about it. Orangemarlin 17:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at this edit. I am scratching my head. Is this clear enough what is happening. Keep your eyes open. --QuackGuru 17:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


See here:[6]--Filll 05:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

So I eliminated some vandalism. Not amused. Orangemarlin 08:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Doug Gottlieb

U.S. and Canadian abbreviations for states aren't used — they need to be given in full. That's partly because most people outside North America don't know what most of them mean, and partly because all articles have the full names in their titles. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. As you know, I was cleaning up the article from some massive vandalism, so I didn't pay attention to everything in it. Orangemarlin 16:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Who is Ymous and why should I mediate with him?

I am stunned. Who is this person? --Filll 23:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Go to the talk page of evolution and look at the banner at the top of the talk page. Click on the link and you will see he wants your hide but he mis-spelt your name.--Filll 02:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
My guess it is one of you guys using a strawman sockpuppet. 02:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Vacuous Poet
Just a side note: Velvet Elvis (sp?) claims to have been registered since August. If you look at the history on his discussion page; his introductory message from Wikipedia is dated Dec.7. Of course, he deleted that information. His contributions to the discussion have distracted from the process of improving the article. I hope these trend on the discussion page soon dries up. --Random Replicator 03:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Vacuous, you are the resident expert on being a sockpuppet. What IP address are you on now? How many blocks have you avoided? Is it now 3? 4? Orangemarlin 07:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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Current status

I notice our creation terrorist is wreaking havoc on the evolution page.

I see we have quite a few on the Noah's Ark page as well from the edits.

  • The Evolution support article (I didn't want to post a link to reduce troll attacks) is very well done. I still like my idea of a map that shows everywhere that has scientific societies that support Evolution, but it probably is overkill and could be considered POV, although I doubt it. I wouldn't mind doing it, but I wouldn't even know how to edit such a graphic. By the way, I love graphics.
We can put in a request for a map. I have a lot more information to plot now if you look at the article.
  • We probably should do a NPOV article on Creationist Scientist support as a counter that includes a description of who the Creationist Scientists really are.
There already is a creation science article, but more articles along that line might be helpful.

The Talk:Evolution/falsifiabilitydraft is well done. It sounds like Margareta will be out for a while, so why don't you set it up as an article, so we can begin editing it publicly.

I want to have more citations/references for that one if we can. It is still available for editing now.

I'm wondering what happened to the Talk:Evolution/evolutionreligiondraft. Was it incorporated somewhere? I see bits and pieces of it in a few articles here and there.

It is still there. I want more citations for it and also I plan to write some text around it for a separate article.--Filll 18:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Three-revert rule reports

Hi, just to let you know that I've closed your 3RR report because you did not specify how the 3RR had been broken. Specifically, to constitute a violation, there must be more than three reverts within 24 hours. I hope this helps explain things, but if not, please leave a note on my talk page. Stifle (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


I think he wants to see if he can get himself banned for fun. He does not do anything constructive. I think if he at least wrote an article it would be a somewhat productive use of his time. But he refuses.--Filll 23:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I wonder who he is???? Orangemarlin 23:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

He appears to espouse the same views as Vacuous poet. I think he is not as educated as kdbuffalo, however.--Filll 00:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I keep reading about this kdbuffalo character...who was he? what did he do?Orangemarlin 00:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

kdbuffalo was a very aggressive creationist. He was actually far smarter than most of what I have seen in the last few weeks. He would produce very good references. But he was combative and just caused too much turmoil. I did suggest that he not be banned, but he was banned anyway. Then he violated the ban over and over and over and they kept extending the ban. What happens is if you are too obnoxious, people lose patience after a while. We have had one or two creationists who were able to work constructively with everyone, and people do not mind that. We can all work together, creationist and scientist together to write an encyclopedia. But when they just want to obstruct the progress, then people get annoyed. For example, if vacuous poet WOULD put energy into writing an article about frauds of various kinds, it could be pretty good. There is a lot of interesting material out there. But he doesn't seem interested in doing anything constructive like that. He just seems to want to fight instead and complain. Who needs it? I have even off and on offered to help creationists write their articles, but no one has ever taken me up on it. They would rather fight instead. So, it just gets old after a while.--Filll 00:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at raspor and his editing history

hmmm...--Filll 19:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Sent you email

I had a heck of a fight tonight with Macguysoft , mainly on Talk:Evidence of evolution when he finally blanked the page or parts of the page about 8 times before I lost count. He also insulted me a few times and blanked my talk page as well a couple of times. A real beauty alright.--Filll 05:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

my talk page

Take a look at the nonsense some dufus put on my talk page.--Filll 23:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome to Evolution. But what did you mean about SciFi not being science? You mean all my years of Doctor Who has been a waste? :) In all seriousness, I guess such a warning is prudent, because the page has a long history of people who couldn't distinguish between reality and fantasy, let alone science fiction and science fact. Tarinth 21:14, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I just called

the National Center for Science Education in Berkeley (the people that are fighting to keep evolution in schools) to get some more references for the support article we are writing in draft form. They had 3 good references for me and I asked them if they ever look at Wikipedia articles on evolution, creationism, ID, etc. They said yes and they look at the histories and talk pages and they knew us!! Haha...we are famous! By our user names! Even among the coordinators of national strategy for teaching evolution. Pretty funny huh? They said we are not doing too bad a job on hte articles and they dont look too bad. So there...some feedback...--Filll

OK i put it in there.

it looks fine to me. What do you see? Remember clear your cache if you are having problems seeing updates properly.--Filll 23:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Harry Rimmer

Take a look at this guy I just wrote up: Harry Rimmer--Filll 22:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)