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Guide to referencing
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is original research (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.) It should appear like this:
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets. The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings to display the date in the format the user wishes.
You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Here is an example for a book:
When uploaded, it appears as:
Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
These formats are all acceptable for dates:
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them. You can see multiple use of the same refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in Harriet Arbuthnot or in a full form as in Brown Dog affair.
More information can be found at:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. Modernist (talk) 05:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC) |
Image tagging for Image:P7150006.JPG
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File copyright problem with File:Sheltiewinphoto.gif
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Collage
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I removed the image that you added to the article please refrain from re-adding it. Because it is out of place in the context of international figures like Picasso, Braque, Gris and Cecil Touchon. The artist is unreferenced and largely unknown. The image is badly cropped, and barely visible. Perhaps adding her name and a link to her article on the list of collage artists might be a better way to include her. Thank you for your efforts...Modernist (talk) 04:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your note. I would appreciate your cropping and fixing the image. As to my owning the article, I make no claim, no one owns wikipedia articles, although I have put in considerable time and effort in building that article. I am simply interested in maintaining accuracy and both quality and credibility - which is also why I am asking you to add references to the artists article. As to my credentials I can only point out the work that I have already done in several years editing and working in wikipedia editing many articles most of which were about the visual arts...Modernist (talk) 02:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Shetland Sheepdog Photo
[edit]Please stop changing the Infobox photo to the photo of the dog with obvious breed faults. Please see the discussion on the breed discussion page if you wish to discuss the issue. Just because a dog has been in a dog show does NOT mean that it has no breed faults. It is not even of the style of the 1900's, as shown in the photograph from 1915. (also on the shetland sheepdog page.). What do you find so terrible about the replacement image (The blue merle). I have alrady discussed on the article discussion page what is wrong with the image that you continually keep replacing it with. I am trying to work the article up to GA, and that photo just won't cut it! It is getting very frustrating. Cheers, - Keetanii (talk) 03:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry I didn't realise until now that it was your dog/photo. Given that it is your photo, don't you think it is a conflict of intrests for you to continue reverting to it? Cheers, Keetanii (talk) 03:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi,
- There were actually many types of Toonie dogs --- not just the style of the 1915 Sheltie shown on the Wikipedia page. We found that the dog in the photo you took down very much resembles some of the Champions of the early 1900s. Is the 1915 dog a Champion? If you are interested, we'd be happy to show you the different styles of Toonie dogs.
- The blue merle is not a Conformation dog, just an Agility dog. Is it your dog? As for the conflict of interest issue, Toonie dogs, especially nice ones, are hard to come by. We happen to own one who has shown rather successfully in the Conformation ring despite being a Toonie dog. No Sheltie breeder or judge has detected “obvious breed faults” in him. In fact, he very much resembles the 2nd English CH Woodvold. crescentmoonshelties.webs.com has photos documenting this. The blue merle is certainly not a conformational representative of the breed. The photo I changed it to has perhaps too much of the puff-ball look, but it is conformationally correct. At least we should compromise that another photo should be in the beginning of the article, but I think the article will be enhanced by a good photo of a living example of a 1920s Toonie dog. I agree that the photo of him is a little windblown and doesn’t show him properly. I can produce another one that makes his Toonie dog connections obvious.
- Are you a Sheltie breeder or handler?
- Thanks,
- Peccarbread (talk) 13:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nope it is not my dog. It is not my photo, unlike the one you were suggesting is a good photo (with prick ears). If you have references that dogs with prick ears were common in that era that perhaps there could be a place for your photo. However the info box picture should clearly represent what the breed looks like today, not 100 years ago. And no, I have no conflict of interest in editing this page, I am neither a Shetland Sheepdog handler or dog breeder. Simply reverting to your picture over and over again without even putting a reason in the edit summary nor participating in the discussion in the article discussion page is a good way to get in trouble from the admins for edit warring. I understand that many dog breeders like to add information to the breed articles, but all content MUST be adequately referenced. The fact is, today, the breed standards say that prick ears are a fault. I would like to leave the blue merle in the article somewhere to show readers what a blue merle shelty looks like. If you have a better blue merle photo, please upload it! As for the current info box picture, I have no qualms with it. Cheers, Keetanii (talk) 01:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Hello, I see you've recently been making photo changes to Shetland Sheepdog, but I just want to point out that there's no need to change the photo with a different one each time, as all the photos can be seen through the WikiCommons (at the bottom of the page under External links). If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, SwisterTwister talk 04:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Need a good photo of a Blue Merle Sheltie
[edit]Hi Peccarbread, I know you don't like the photo of the Blue Merle available on Wikipedia, so I was wondering if you had a better one of a blue merle for the Sheltie page? It would be nice to have an example of each colour on the page, for people who are new to the breed. It is really difficult finding good quality photos that can be used on Wikipedia, as most good quality photos of good quality dogs are fully copyrighted and therefore cannot be used on Wikipedia. Hope you can help. Cheers, Keetanii (talk) 03:11, 7 August 2011 (UTC)