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pong image

Hi, I took a photo of the same pong machine in berlin, at the hamburger banhof.

Do you mind If I put mine instead of yours ?

I'm not new to wikipedia, I just don't remember my pass right now

the new image is located at photobucket let me know if it's ok for you, Obviously I'll use greatest resolution and cc license

nicola di maria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.74.150.239 (talk) 15:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk September 2007

Wachowski Move

For some reason the talk page is still at The Wachowskis instead of the new page that you moved the main article to. Konman72 18:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I've fixed it now. There seem to be a number of issues with the moving of talk pages, as it looked liked it had moved correctly at the time. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Angr, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I think I lamely used "fair use" as a stopgap because I wanted to look up the copyright status of a photograph of the front cover of a book published by a defunct state -- and then was distracted and forgot about it. I'll take a look. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 20:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it probably really is still protected by copyright. It's fairly well established on Commons that images from the Third Reich government are not PD, and I can't think of a reason why those from the DDR government would be. Although I only tagged it as lacking a rationale, I do think it fails WP:NFCC#8; an image of this book cover does not significantly increase readers' understanding of Jugendweihe. —Angr 21:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's under copyright, all right, but I was thinking more along the lines that it is a three-dimensional image of a book, rather than just the cover image (this is only due to it not fitting on my scanner). I suppose I could write an article about the book itself, though I'd think that since the book was so ubiquitous and iconic it might justify its use in the Jugendweihe article. Or it might not. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 21:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

As I said, I don't think it meets WP:NFCC#8 and have tagged it as such. Your official notice:

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Hi

Hi ProhibitOnion, can you please look at User:3meandEr conduct on the TRNC article. The article has become extremely unstable recently following his constant tagging, reverting and aggressive pov. He completely disregards previous consensus such as those on the intro and is turning the article into something very ugly. I'd appreciate your help. --A.Garnet 10:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing, and I fully agree with your assessment. However, I have contributed to the article as well, so you might want to ask an uninvolved admin, or we could post this to WP:AN. Regards. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 12:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Welcome

Thank you for contacting me, and for your welcome!

I am finding the information you gave me very helpful:

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I understand about making many changes at one time, and will try to do that from here.

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3meandEr

I've posted a request for a block or community ban at WP:AN/I#User:3meandEr and Northern Cyprus - your comments would be appreciated. -- ChrisO 11:13, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. I think everything else that could have been done has been done already, several times over. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 11:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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Lines or lines

See my exhibits A and B in the talk pages for Northern line. Best, Sunil060902 10:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I did. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 11:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sting

I must take exception to your statement of "Yeah, that's about what I figured, a bit of bogus showmanship on the part of an obscure pro wrestler."

In case you have forgotten, this was on the discussion page for "Sting". There was a discussion about a professional wrestler's registered trademark for the name, and when somebody commented that there was no registered trademark, you immediately assumed this was the truth and posted the comment above.

In fact, the wrestler has legally registered the trademark - whatever user "Dhartung" says. It has the serial number 74629288 and it was filed in January 1995. (You can look it up if you wish.) Furthermore, Sting is far from "some obscure wrestler". He's had a thirty year career and is one of the most famous members of the industry. This is like calling George Harrison "some obscure musician". What frustrates me is that if the topic were about something other than professional wrestling: say, music; you would not just assume some random user has his or her facts straight and assume "some obscure" musican was exhibiting "bogus showmanship". You would stick to what you know and not chime in with ignorant comments. I do not like how easily you slip into bias simply because the subject matter is outside your interest. Even if you think professional wrestling is not a worthy profession or you have something against professional wrestlers, here at wikipedia we should treat everything with respect, without bias, and not jump to conclusions and "assume" anything because someone else says it is so. 69.215.150.227 23:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's because a pro wrestler is obscure compared to Sting the musician. And a possibly registered trademark doesn't make any difference as to who is more notable. That's all. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 07:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Zapmail

Hi There. I noticed Zapmail on your to-do list. I have just uploaded a short artice. Please have a look for review. Thanks Nelson50 (talk) 14:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant! Thanks for rescuing this from obscurity... I was surprised it wasn't mentioned at all on Wikipedia. Your article is much bigger and better than the stub I would have probably ended up writing! I'm sure there was a Zapmail logo, perhaps we can find it and add this, too? Best regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 19:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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Germany

Regarding your change and comment here: Easy, yes, but already rejected once per this diff, which is why I didn't change it back to "comprises" in the first place. We'll have to see if your "easy" change is left alone, or is merely another edit in a strange semantic battle. Up to this point, the semantic changes appear to have been in good faith, but perhaps I am wrong on that, and someone is just playing a game. - BillCJ (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Yep, didn't mean to sound snotty -- I shoulda looked at the edit history. I'd guess it's a German with poor English who wishes to assert that the BRD now contains Germany in its entirety, as per the preamble of the Grundgesetz, but that isn't the place to explain this (if that is indeed what was meant -- I'd agree that game-playing is a strong possibility). I didn't notice that they'd already done this once before. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 21:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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Reply from Joyson Noel

Dear Prohibitonions, I would like to thank you for your advice and will bear them in mind. I will purchase the book and do more research on the subject . I will also contribute to the article "Criticism of Islam" as you suggested and add information about many dogmatic doctrines of which there is plenty to be found in Islam. Regards, Joyson Noel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyson Noel (talk • contribs) 16:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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Heh-heh...

Look out, ProhibitOnions, this is Snuffleupagus walking into your bedroom. [makes furnace noises] S-s-s-s-S-s-s-s... [scares ProhibitOnions out of bed] --76.124.20.123 (talk) 21:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Chuckle. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 21:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

He got me with this too earlier today, and then another user reverted it. Snuff here has been very, very busy, and it made me laugh as well. Kresock (talk) 02:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like this led to a permablock. Oh well... ProhibitOnions ^(T) 08:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article review/Constitution of Belarus

I want to fix it, but I need some suggestions on what to fix or where my energies should be focused at. Some of your earlier issues have been addressed in the past, such as the section headings. Plus, if you think things need citations, just put fact tags around the statements. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Stones' singles template

It looks a little awkward with the big spaces. Stan weller (talk) 01:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I just meant to remove the bullet points at the end of lines, which were nonstandard (I also added a br to the lines that didn't have one; it was inconsistent). Get rid of the spaces if you want, I think it's too tall anyway, though the bullets should stay deleted. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 01:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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China Kantner

As the editor/webmaster at the semi-official China Kantner website[1], it may be an idea if you check with me before altering any factual content on her Wikipedia entry. I'm in direct contact with both her and her father, have an extensive archive of documents and other items relating to her life and career, and can usually verify any disputed content very quickly. (If you'd like to verify my credentials, feel free to e-mail me at the address given on the website...) Gidz (talk) 12:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for writing. Please see WP:V regarding sourcing; if you have material that has been published in reliable periodicals, this is acceptable as a Wikipedia source. I'm not sure which "factual material" you are referring to that I changed; I removed some slight gushing to conform with WP:NPOV and corrected the release date of Freedom at Point Zero from 1980 to 1979. You seem to object to the statement that "Wing is Slick's maiden name" although to spend three paragraphs explaining China's first name and omit any explanation of the middle one seems a little odd, especially as it is a common noun, and for that matter, that she also referred to herself as "Chin a Slick Kantner" while on MTV. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 13:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

beatrice arthur

hello. unless you can come up with better phraseology, and solid supporting references, the statement: usually known as.. is incorrect, and should be removed. i thought i left a comment, but it looks like something happened. sorry. cheers! --emerson7 03:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, if you can phrase it better, be bold! However, it's a fact that Beatrice Arthur is also, and probably more commonly, known as "Bea". A lot of actors, as their career progresses, find themselves preferring the long (and more serious-sounding) version of their name (see, for example, Jim Belushi) but the fact remains that they are also widely known by the short form, so it needs to be mentioned (not least due to WP:COMMON). Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 03:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

US Airways

We have multiple sources which call US Airways a low-cost carrier. You need to cite more than "WP:SYNTH" as a justification for removing it. Even the Bureau of Transportation Statistics considers US to be an LCC. "America West Airlines and US Airways now operate under a single certificate. Joint reporting began with October 2007 data. The combined airline’s employment numbers are included with the low-cost carriers while US Airways’ previous numbers remain with network carriers and America West’s previous numbers are listed separately as a low-cost carrier." FCYTravis (talk) 08:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie

Guy was asked about her birth name in that interview. But Madonna truly added Ritchie to her name.

That's Mrs. Material Girl to you: Madonna has officially changed the name on her American Express card to Mrs. Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie. "I think she likes being called Mrs. Ritchie," Madonna spokeswoman Liz Rosenberg tells the New York Daily News. So remember that next time you see her.

http://archive.salon.com/people/col/reit/2001/04/23/npmon/index.html http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22375920-5001021,00.html

Jason Engel from AbsoluteMadonna.com confirmed it to me years ago. He told Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie is her legal name. Israell (talk) 17:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, no problem, then. This came up a while ago and it was inconclusive (she donated money as "M. Ritchie", etc.), and one person kept adding the name Ritchie, the justification being little more than because she was married and that was her husband's surname. (I realize, of course, that many women do legally change this on marriage, even if they do not use it publicly, but since this is not universal or required, and there are other options, it cannot be assumed.) However, looks like you've got a reliable source there that explains this, so if you haven't added a link already, you might want to do so. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Re.Japan

Hi there! Thanks for the compliment, I'm glad someone noticed and appreciated my little freshening-up of the Japan discography - so thank you. Looked like nobody had paid that much attention to it before so I thought I'd have a stab at it. But do I know my Japan... Well yes and no, I was a die-hard fan for about two or three years in my youth (and that's eons ago) and I sort of lost interest in Sylvian's solo works after a year of two. Too complicated for this very uncomplicated guy. :-) About those compilations you suggested, if I'm not wrong Souvenir from Japan was one of the many BMG-Ariola collections released worldwide, at least in Europe and Japan if it's the one I'm thinking of and do we really need to promote their Japan products on Wikipedia...? ;-) Is this the one [2]? (Speaking of horrid remixes, yours truly had a 12" of "Life In Tokyo" with a B-side that played the master tape of some dub version at half-speed.... Did that stop them from releasing it...? No. Did that stop me from buying it...? No comment.) So BMG-Ariola compilations released without the band's knowledge or approval....? I think I'll give those a miss. Unless you insist of course. That US edition of Tin Drum sounds very interesting however. Certainly a notable release if it was an official Virgin/EMI album just issued in the US, we could add a section on the Tin Drum page like release history/alternate editions or something like that. I'll look into it and see if I can locate a cover pic somewhere on the net as well.

Cheers

Dreamer.se (talk) 05:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)dreamer.se

PS. Found one on Epic - was that the one you had? [3]? Dreamer.se (talk) 06:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one. I think only 1500 copies were made, and mine has got to be worth something... As far as Souvenir goes, you're right. I'll delete it. I think the "numerous repackages" referred to on the Assemblage page should take care of it... Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 08:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. 1500 copies? If that's the case I'd a) hold on to it for dear life b) have it valued. Could be interesting to know what serious Japan collectors know about this release. 1500 copies made to promote a band in the United States sounds more like a promo to me - and a strictly limited edition promo at that. If I create the page (under the headline Compilations) with all the technical details etc. can you write the bio? Dreamer.se (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

So.... a fellow Scandinavian gave you a hard time over that chronology eh...? I've arranged the studio albums and the compilations separately now, plus references to Rain Tree Crow, we'll see if he objects to that too.... :-) Drop me a line if you find out anything more about that vinyl rarity of yours.

Thanks for good teamwork.

/S Dreamer.se (talk) 17:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, he was right, I suppose. Perhaps Japan (album) belongs in the chronology, as it's a variant release for another market, rather than a true compilation. (Compare High Voltage (1976 album).) Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 19:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely right. It should go between Tin Drum and Oil on Canvas. As you say it's not a compilation as such, but a studio album for the US market and thus should belong to their official discography - unless it really was a promo album that is. Sure about 1500 copies? On Rateyourmusic.com they have it listed as a compilation - but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's right. [4] You decide. Dreamer.se (talk) 20:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

More info: [5].

Dreamer.se (talk) 20:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, it is a compilation inasmuch as the tracks on it were previously on GTP and TD. However, it's a compilation in the sense that the early U.S. albums by the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were (and these are listed in the chronologies of these bands): It's not a "best of" because no other albums by Japan were available in the States. It did not contain "previously released material" -- at least, not as far as the U.S. was concerned. So perhaps it deserves to be an exception. Or not, I don't mind (we could just link to it from the Tin Drum page and leave it at that. Or we could follow the Beatles example and have a "Japan U.S. chronology" consisting of Obscure Alternatives and this... ProhibitOnions ^(T) 21:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Now there's an idea. :-) Terribly short chronology of just two albums though, don't you think? Here's my way of thinking; Wikipedia is an American site after all, and since it falls into the category of US studio albums (just like in the case of the Stones or the Beatles as you say) it really should go after Tin Drum. Good. Now that's all sorted. So can I go to bed now....? :-) PS. Forgot to sign that last post.Dreamer.se (talk) 09:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

DS. Question/suggestion: if you're up to creating a Japan UK/US singles discography some time in the future (see page "Ghosts") just say the word.

All the best,

/S

Dreamer.se (talk) 09:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I've had time to sleep on this and think you've come up with the best solution. Cheers, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Eldon Square Bus Station

Before you criticise my capitalisation, maybe you'd care to learn how to spell capitalisation and recognisable properly. WL (talk) 15:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you read WP:NPA and WP:AGF. After that, take a look at the preferred spelling of the words you cite in the Oxford English Dictionary. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 18:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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US Airways / America West - Merger vs Acquisition (Round 2)

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BASE

Further to your question, yes, I'm fully up on policy. The MOS is not policy. It's a guideline. This isn't a trademark issue either - the actual legal name of BASE NV/SA is in capitals. It's on the Handelsregister in Brussels in capitals. So it has nothing to do with trademarks, and everything to do with Base in lowercase being just plain wrong. Rather than editwarring with me over this, please would you use Requested Moves or start a talk page debate about the name - since you don't have policy on your side and the name is disputed, it's best if you'd discuss the change first. Thanks. ➨ ЯEDVEЯS used to be a sweet boy 07:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Wikipedia:Naming conventions is policy, and makes it clear:

Use standard English for titles even if trademarks encourage otherwise: Follow standard English text formatting for article names that are trademarks. Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalisation (Invader Zim).

MOS:TM and WP:CAPS, which are lined to from that page, elaborate on this, but the principle is exactly the same. See also Wikipedia:Official names.

We've been through this many times, such as with Mini (BMW), and Base (mobile telephony provider) is no exception. I don't need to request a move when a title is non-compliant; there's plenty of precedent to do this. "Base" is not an acronym, but an English word that is pronounced as written, and is usually written as a standard word by newspapers where the brand is used (such as where I live).

Capitalization plays no part at all in the "legality" of a tradename, no matter what a company prefers. It doesn't matter how they wrote it in the Handelsregister; the registration applies to any cap variant, whether BASE, base BaSe, etc. You may notice that there were no other capitalization variants in the listing. If caps had any legal meaning, anyone would be perfectly free to start a different phone company called "Base". But they don't, and nor do boldface, italics, or any other stylistic concerns. We don't indulge writing company names in boldface; this is not a fansite, and we don't give anyone undue emphasis. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 08:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been a couple of days now, and I've moved it back. ProhibitOnions ^(T) 08:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

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