User talk:Scarian/Archive 19

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Invitation for comment

Hello Scarian, I currently have a workpage up for a detailed ANI that I intend to file reporting csloat for disruptive editing. The first incident that I am citing is one that I was not involved in; it pertains to a page protection that you applied a little over a month ago on the John McCain presidential campaign, 2008 article. (Much more has happened since, separate from this incident). Since you were more involved, I was wondering if you could review my current write up for this section and provide any commentary if you have the time. The workpage is tongue-in-cheekly named User:Amwestover/Swiftboating#First_incident. Any comments or input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 02:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the lightning-fast reply to my invitation, and your comments are greatly appreciated. The outline under Second Incident is meant to be for the entire ANI, including the third and fourth incidents. I should probably make that more obvious for people I invite to look at this. I will be sure to include diffs for everything, especially since admins who review this will be third parties and need proof.
And the initial Draft actually was submitted, and like you said the one admin who commented on it regarded it as a content dispute. My intention was to keep it short and to provide discussion page diffs by request, but apparently admins want the beef right way -- understandably so. I'm keeping that text around on the work page so that I can easily reference the diffs. But this time around I am going to focus on behavior much more with proof, bold any specific mention of disruptive behavior, and only explain content where necessary.
I don't mean to trouble you again, but I was wondering if you would be able to review my entire case in a few days when I hope to have it finished. My concern is that it may ultimately be too long, but there's a lot of evidence here and I want to make a solid case. The Second incident is probably going to be longer than the other incidents, but there was a lot of disruptive behavior exhibited. And there's two more incidents after that, but they'll be much shorter by comparison. I'd like your opinion on the length, and if you have time, the content. Thanks again! --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 03:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The most important Wiki question of the day...

What are the top 3 items on your Christmas list? For me it's A) a severely shrunken tumor. B) see A and C) see A. So far so good. Patient "claims" to be feeling OK. (he wouldn't say anything if he wasn't The Real Libs-speak politely 02:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Celtx Notability

Hi Scarian. As per the suggested copyright violation posted by you on Nov.28 [Revision history of Celtx], please be aware that the copy in question was written by members of the celtx team and taken from our own web site. We have no issue with the content being distributed by others. If you'd like confirmation on this feel free to email our ceo, Mark Kennedy at info at celtx dot com. As per Thumperward's request, I've edited the copy to remove 'heavy promotional tone' and informed him of this as well. Please let me know if Ok. Thanks Betagerl (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC).

Stephen Mowbray McDermott

  • Hi Scarian. Your ref: Deletion 5 December 2008: RE: A1: No context: Very short articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article.
  • Context subject matter of my (34 KB) article is an allegorical, heraldic and genealogical history of the Royal Arms, citing its individual components, from the 1st to 21st Century: The allegorical emphases being: “Two Ciphers, one within and one without the Garter”: Thus being identified in the article, defining the names: “STEPHEN” and “DERMOTT”: The genealogical emphases of my article; being associated histories of both these names. This subject matter, in notability of “Clues” and “Ciphers,” is “Stephen” and “Dermott.”
  • The article begins with a well respected, internationally published, broadsheet newspaper article, about the importance of (me) flying the flag of St. George, on St. Georges Day. This unsolicited newspaper article further refers to; hereditary, my family the Mowbrays, Magna Carta, and most specifically, “a clue in the name Stephen Mowbray McDermott.”
  • Please accept that I have been extraordinarily diplomatic in the construction of the article. In evidence of my reference list all of these issues are already in the international domain. But, I agree that this is a very short article: (about 5% of my research) on these subjects. Therefore I accept there may be insufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Contextually, however, to sufficiently define and identify the subject of the article, it may be necessary to include unpublished references, being my military and other credentials, biography, judicial records, constitutional issues, and my associations with Ministers and the monarchy & etc.
  • The aforementioned credentials and records, include a number of Police, HMRC, CPS, Magistrate, Crown, and County Court summonses, issued to me between; 1994 – 2006. Each summons specifically stating the £5000 penalty for; “furnishing false information.” In every case, on the evidence of my credentials, I was acquitted on all allegations, also, with judicial rulings, that I, and my credentials, were not subject to Official Secrets Acts. The summonses were addressed to: Quote: “Sovereign of England Stephen Mowbray McDermott.” NB: (Transcript): Crown Court Judge Quote: “Rightful Sovereign of England.” (i.e. According to the law.)
  • Would an inclusion of these specific contexts be sufficient to identify my articles subject? Or could you suggest your own criteria to re-instate my article from its deletion? Regards for now, Stephen2nd (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi again, although my family are the natural enemies of Scari-Arians, this would seem Ad Hominem in reference to peoples names. Nevertheless, I'm currently re-writing the article in [Sandbox (c)]: Unfortunately, my gramma and copy-editing may not be up to encyclopaedic standards: I would be most grateful if you (or anyone) could assist me in this respect. Please feel free to ruthlessly, &/or kindly edit my [Sandbox (c)] into an acceptable article: Ta, your friend Steve: Stephen2nd (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

GA review of No Mercy (2007)

Because this review has been placed on hold an abnormal length of time (+36 days), I was hoping you could finalize your judgement in order to help with the backlog at GAN. I understand the review process is time consuming, and I appreciate your efforts in improving the encyclopedia :) -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 19:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I recommend ignoring this remark. It is up to the reviewer when to close a nomination. This editor has been adding similar comments to multiple user and article talk pages. Geometry guy 20:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

welcome back

dude welcome back to the adminship hihih cant wait to drop by in the UK and see ya in person :D we surely gonna have fun mate. Merry Christmas Danger^Mouse (talk) 14:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


Suicide is no laughing matter. The person must be encouraged to talk with the right people. However, if you are the only person with a dialogue with the person considering suicide, don't pass the buck to others. Keep lines of communication open. Chergles (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC) I have to go now to attend an important matter. I don't have time to research foreign police telephone numbers. On ANI is the ISP's phone number. Thanks for your concern. Chergles (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Reverting Sandbox

Hey, I've been noticing you've been reverting edits in the sandbox with your huggle, such as this edit here. I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but please make sure not to hit "revert and warn" to users that are using the sandbox. Huggle does have a queue option to ignore pages such as the sandbox. —Nn123645 (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh thanks! Exactly what I was looking for! Cheers. ScarianCall me Pat! 22:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

"Vandalizing" sandbox? Are you kidding?

Isn't the sandbox for testing? -- (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Dorothy Porter

Porter died of breast cancer today. A reference to that effect will be available soon. Perhaps you might lay off the revert button for just a sec? (talk) 02:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


Got it and I am composing a response. Daniel Case (talk) 14:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Discussion started. Daniel Case (talk) 00:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

W. E. B. Du Bois

Greetings Scarian - have been trying to revert a series of bad faith/vandal edits to the W. E. B. Du Bois article, but when I hit save I find that nothing has happened. No record on the history page or my contribs page. I've tried throughout the day on three different occasions - several times on each occasion - and thinking that something might be wrong with my cache or whatever, have also edited other pages without any problem. Could you please revert the above edits (and maybe figure out what's going on?). Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 22:02, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Greetings Pat - thanks for having a butcher's there and reverting. No, not on IRC, so if you have time and inclination, would appreciate it if you could check it out. Your explanation seems reasonable enough, but I'm getting kinda paranoid with age... Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Technopat, are you using any form of revert script or are you simply removing the vandalism and clicking save page? Tiptoety talk 22:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Greetings Tiptoety - "simply removing the vandalism and clicking save page" - the PC I'm working out of is on its last legs and I dasn't add any fancy stuff to it. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 22:58, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, seeing as you are able to edit this talk page and are not using any type of anti-vandal tool I am not sure what the problem is. (Maybe try hitting your computer a few times) :P Tiptoety talk 23:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

The Political Cesspool

Another user went to the Political Cesspool website and deleted a properly sourced chunk of information without explaining why. After I reverted his deletion (since he/she didn't give a reason for hacking information out of the article), you reverted me! Why is that? I was merely trying to protect the article from someone who appeared to be trying to "whitewash" one of James Edwards' more offensive quotes out of it, even though they're properly sourced. His edit was unconstructive, not mine. Please reconsider your decision. I was only reverting the other user's edits because he was trying to censor the article.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Mainstream media already unsourced when it comes to cleaning a public image?

... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

a shiny

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks. J.delanoygabsadds 03:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your comment on ANI. Could you take a look at Trasel's and now the rest of the gang's comments on User talk:Trasel? The conversation is wait past dead, and their continued attacks are inappopriate. Grsz11 16:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I know it's late but welcome back. Grsz11 16:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


Actually, that photo was upoloaded last year, and it wasn't deleted at all, I was heckled once or twice, but I'm glad it's out of the way, it's very old, and I look nearly completely diferent now, thank you for the deletions. GunMetal Angel 17:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Personally, I wouldn't upload a picture of myself on Wikipedia... there is such a thing as Enyclopaedia Dramatica... the people on there wouldn't hesitate to upload a Wikipedian's picture and then insult them... Just some friendly advice though, friend! :-) ScarianCall me Pat! 17:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I have an account on ED and hardly ever use it, such a raunchy wiki it is! GunMetal Angel 17:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Long time no speak my friend

Happy Holidays Pat!!!!. I haven't talked with you for awhile. I had to redo my laptop and was unable to re-install my MSN because of some stupid Microsoft error. I can just re-fo after Christmas and make it work right but for now I am busy busy busy and temporarily chatless. I hope your Christmas Season is merry and bright. Not sure if you have a white Christmas over there. Right now we are just cold and icy. One day it is +12 the next day -20. My Dad is doing well. Next week is his off-week for his C treatments. I am going to take him for a 3 day visit/vacation to Boston. He lived there for a while when he was young and still has family there. Then it is Christmas with the kids (it's all about them anyways) Cherishing every Christmas moment (you never know when it will be your last with someone) Take care Pat!!!!!!. Have an excellent, and safe, holiday season!!!!! The Real Libs-speak politely 18:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Libs! Glad to see things are going swell for you :-) Everything is fine here. We're readying ourselves for a trip to the parents for Xmas and the whole "separate bed for un-weds" routine. Glad to here about Pappa Libs. Good stuff all around. You take care, mate and I'll see you on MSN soon, hopefully! ScarianCall me Pat! 00:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Project Reality

You are incorrect in stating that the article Project Reality is in any way a copy write violation to the text here:

That forum posting is taken from the PR press release here:

Which is available for anyone to copy as they wish. (I am a Developer at Project Reality)

At most this article needs a rewording in some sections, so it is more objective, you can help with that if you want.

Indeed, the article seems fine, just the game modes and commander section needs work.

GeZe (talk)

Please see our conflict of interest policy. It's not recommended that you edit the Project Reality anymore (except to remove vandalism or make other minor edits). If you wish to make a major change, please suggest it on the article's talk page here. In regards to the copyright violation: That forum was the first I found it on, secondly, at the bottom of your website, it plainly states: All Content Copyright ©2004 - 2008, Project Reality. Please see our WP:COPYVIO policy. ScarianCall me Pat! 00:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
By the way, if you have any questions at all, please do not hesitate to contact me via my talk page or feel free to e-mail, friend. ScarianCall me Pat! 01:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Please then remove the sections that are copyright violations. The game mode and commander sections. The other sections do not violate copyright laws.

Regarding conflict of interest, I do my best to keep it neutral. Many times I've removed comments from fans who post things such as "This is the best mod ever!!11" and gave them a stern warning at our own site.

Thanks. GeZe (talk) 01:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I shall clean it up a bit. By the way, removing the "this mod is the best ever" etc. etc. counts as a minor edit and is perfectly constructive on your part and is totally allowed as you're cleaning up the encyclopaedia :-) Thanks very much for your edits so far and I do hope you stick around. Remember, you can still suggest major edits (such as the inclusion of sources and/or actual content) on Project Reality's talk page. Thanks very much for your cooperation so far, buddy. And feel free to edit anything else on Wikipedia (just as long as you're not a major player on it ;-)! Remember: if you ever need anything whatsoever, feel free to give me a buzz whenever. ScarianCall me Pat! 01:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

I guess if we teach just two people out of thousands to look beyond their differences on Wikipedia then I think life isn't so bad afterall - its a slow process, no? But may be worthwhile. We can hope William M. Connolley (talk) 09:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Guido den Broeder

Required notice to all parties involved with the Guido den Broeder ban/block/discussion: I have appealed the ban on his behalf at WP:RFAR. Cosmic Latte (talk) 19:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Yer Opinion

This band. And every linkable article associated with that band. N?.. NN?.. completely useless?? What are your merry thoughts? The Real Libs-speak politely 01:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Good job

Thanks! Let me tell you how we arrive until here: When I was searching for links at List of record charts, and clicked at Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique; see a change on the page title that was moved to French Record Charts. Then, I navigate to history and see this User:QotSA. Searching for your contributions, I see a similarity between Be Black Hole Sun edits, which lead me to report it, and the final you know. That's all. Also like to know, if you do me a favor, undo the move done by QotSA. (the links cited above) Regards, Cannibaloki 22:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Merry and Joyful!

so... puppet The Real Libs-speak politely 20:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Also.. "G" troll The Real Libs-speak politely 21:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Blocked both of those unbelievably silly people. Thanks Libsey! Ho-ho-hope you're well! (Yes. I am sad. I am not proud.) ScarianCall me Pat! 22:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:-D Merry Cheerios!!... and, as always, thanks!!!!!!!!! and, if you're bored this fella is also a G troll The Real Libs-speak politely 22:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

He appears to know how to use a talk page, which is actually as far as my wiki-knowledge goes, so I fear I may have met my match. Hmm... He's a tricky customer because he does actually make good edits but if he keeps going with that revert war then it'll be all over... but you're going to have to "play your part" if you get me? I can't say any "C-A-B-" things right now... as we might be... ing watch - the time you say? 22:16 in London... Hurries off in paranoia ScarianCall me Pat! 22:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe its the egg nog... but that made no sense to me. If you can agf then I will too. It is Christmas n all :-D. The Real Libs-speak politely 22:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I won't exaggerate and say I was inconvenienced, tnaks to being away for the holidays. But when you boys are through leaving cutesy notes about who to block next, perhaps you'll explain how the person who tried eight times to initiate discussion and whose edits include ref's is the "G troll." Perhaps you'll explain how blocking an IP without first issuing an advance warning nor a template notice afterwards is standard Wikipedia policy, let alone an example of "ASF." And perhaps you'll give a good reason why I shouldn't file a report about any of this.

"Speak politely"? I'll be happy just for "Speak." (talk) 20:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Pat, my very best wishes for the festive season English holly.jpg stay safe and talk to you in 2009.--VS talk 11:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Right back at ya!

Have a very Merry (and safe) Christmas Pat!!! The Real Libs-speak politely 12:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Haha, cheers Pat.  :D Happy holidays (or whatever the new PC term is) :P Garden. 12:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Same to you! If we're being PC, I think I'll go for Merry Midwinter. J Milburn (talk) 13:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Right back at ya Pat. Hope you have a great and merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year! Timmeh! 14:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Greetings of the season!

Thanks for the well-wishing, Pat! I hope you too have a great Christmas, a restful break, and a prosperous entrance into 2009. Best —Anonymous DissidentTalk 13:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

re: Merry Christmas

Thank you, Scarian; and a Very Merry Christmas to you as well. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. :) Merry Christmas to you too, Pat. Hope you have a great year ahead in '09. Orderinchaos 20:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


No, we have Christmas in the winter. Fool. :P How's life been treating you? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :D 21:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

    • Wow Cas, you right-wing religious nut :-D - And, MoP, don't baffle me with your scientifico-"facts". The World is completely flat, ergo, by logic, you're in the summer and I'm in the Winter! So ner ner! ScarianCall me Pat! 00:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

You have a Wiki Christmas gift

An old "uselos" wiki-friend has a new sock account. HINT: it has the word 'fire' in it Enjoy the scavenger hunt :-) . The Real Libs-speak politely 23:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh lets give him a Christmas present. So far (and I should know) I believe its OK to abandon one's original account and then return to edit down the road with a fresh start account. OK as long as the original account wasn't perma banned. And as far as I can remember ol' Nav wasn't blocked or banned... he just left. He does have a personal vendetta against the New Wave of American Heavy Metal article. So if he starts false consensus trouble there then I guess he can be awarded a boot. I can AGF (did I just say that :-D )After all... it's Christmas eh?... a season revolving around the birth of a fella who was good at forgiveness. block him in the New Year :-) The Real Libs-speak politely 01:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Kids are all geared up for tomorrow. Mon Pere is feeling OK (despite circumstances). Mrs Libs is Xmas stressed (the way all Mom's seem to get) And I am just absorbing all the "time" I have with all the people around me and appreciating just how precious it all is (even international internet friendships!) Merry Christmas Pat. Have a good one. Might 'Wiki-see' you around on the weekend! Cheers! The Real Libs-speak politely 03:55, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Worms Dom st peter tympanum 003.JPG Hey, have a Merry Christmas back. Here's to collegiality and cooperation!
--- Deacon of Pndapetzim

Merry Christmas from Promethean

O'Hai there Scarian, Merry Christmas!

I wish you and your family all the best this Christmas and that you also have a Happy and safe new year.
Thankyou for all your contributions to Wikipedia this year and I look forward to seeing many more from you in the future.
Your work around Wikipedia has not gone un-noticed, this notice is testimony to that
Please feel free to drop by my talkpage any time to say Hi, as I will probably say Hi back :)

All the Best.   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk)


Merry Christmas, my friend! Hope you're having a joyous holiday! Dreadstar 17:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holiday!



Thanks so much! Merry Christmas to you, as well. Thanks again for being so patient with the No Mercy article. :) Nikki311 23:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Newsletter - December 2008 Issue

Summary: You can now join Wiki UK Ltd, which hopes to become the official UK chapter of Wikimedia in January. The organisation is planning its first Annual General Meeting, where members can vote on who is on the board, and put forward and vote on resolutions. The organisation is already supporting activities such as a bid to hold Wikimania 2010 in Oxford and the exciting Wikipedia Loves Art project at the Victoria and Albert Museum. We also bring you news of the the recent Wikimeet in London.

In this month's newsletter:

  1. Chapter formation
  2. Membership
  3. AGM
  4. Wikimania 2010 - Oxford bid
  5. Wikipedia Loves Art
  6. London Wikimeet

Wiki UK Limited is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL.

Newsletter delivered by Mike Peel (talk) 16:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Rockk3r is stealing DABs again

Iron Maiden fanboy is altering dabs and pages so that Iron Maiden pages become the parent link. The Real Libs-speak politely 00:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, hey, hey. What did I do? Powerslave (album) was moved to "powerslave" by an admin after someone else (other than me) requested it. I've done nothing like that again. Don't just repeat what libs is telling you before being sure that what you're saying is right! Rockk3r Spit it Out! 01:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year... almost

It's gettin' close. Oh... btw... IP troublemaker. The Real Libs-speak politely 03:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

How much do you want to bet...

...that this is a BBHS suck.. er.. sock. The Real Libs-speak politely 23:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Just when I was thinking a Happy New Year was possible...

My hopes were dashed. Pappy Libs had a stroke tonight. First time in my life that I've ever seen him look scared. Have a very safe New Years fest Pat. Abundant hugs and handshakes to all! Take care my friend! See you in 2009. (talk) 06:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year


Hi Scarian,

A checkuser (Lar) has determined that the accounts Worldruler20 and Virtuousparagon are unlikely to be connected. Worldruler20 has posted an unblock request on his talkpage, and I wonder if you can check into it and perhaps consider granting the request based on that. Even if you think he should remain blocked, it might make sense to discuss it and perhaps unblock/reblock with a reason besides abusing multiple accounts. Sorry for leading to this with my SSP report... Thanks, Avruch T 13:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

from Bert

Thanks, Scarian, for your note and offer of help. There are times that in the midst of editing I'm blocked/logged out? Until recently, I've been able to get to article page, after logging in just once in, I think, every 30 days, but now, I have to log in every time I turn to wikipedia. I was not aware that it would be possible to edit if you were not logged in so I guess I have been logged in. The only place I can not edit is in the beginning lead of article. I had told Dave that I had amplified the lead, but when I looked, the amplification did not appear. That's about all I can make of this. I have very poor vision making it hard for me to do much work at a time. Also, I have difficulty understanding wikipedia directions well. I do not know how many times I have tried to rectify the photos issue. I guess, I do have a request of you, Scarian, but only if you have the time and strength. Could you go through the KAL 007 Good Article review page and see if you can correct or ammend what you can? In any case, thank you for your interest. Bert SchlossbergBert Schlossberg (talk) 08:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Pat Just Updated the Sock Puppetry Case

Hey Pat I just updated the sock puppetry case with Summer PHD and I now believe that he has sock puppet accounts which he is also using to keep putting completely unverifiable and extremely poorly sourced (from blogs) information into Kevin Rudolf's wikipedia pagfe. The information he and possibly his sock puppet accounts is putting in there has no been removed by over 8 different users with registered accounts and without. He is completely wrong and is using extremely weak sourcing to base his argument, when 10's of websites including and Universal Republic Music Group do not back his claims at all. Summer PHD putting completely wrong and baseless information to a brand new artist's wikipedia page, who is just launching his career, can be very damaging as from what I've seen every one from Billboard Magazine to The Sun Magazine in the UK has used this wikipedia page for information. Thank you Pat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Family Foundation School

I need some help on the Family Foundation School talk page/wiki. In 2004 a suicide occurred on the campus of the small boarding school in upstate New York and its wiki, which includes mention of a notable alumnus and a notable staff member does not include mention of this event. I have been fighting tooth and nail to include a mention of the suicide on the wiki and have been met with a pretty ugly edit war by a couple of admins. I feel that they are not using the standards that wikipedia holds for NPOV and they are abusing their admin rights. I have already been accused of sock puppetry as a ploy to get me blocked (a charge which you cleared me of) and quite frankly I believe that this is a necessary addition which is being blocked fby biased users. If you can, please offer some insight or help. If not, thank you for your time. CoreEpic (talk) 20:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

User:CoreEpic sock puppetry

Hi Pat, you closed this SSP case with a note to contact you if more suspicious edits were made. Well, after coming to my talk page to take issue with me for filing the report, the suspected puppet master decided to have a little gloat about no action being taken. I don't really have a big problem with that. However, he has returned to editing with the suspected sock puppet account. see here and here. Not to mention the other disruptive behavior this user has been involved in. Edit warring and refusing to accept talk page consensus until it goes in his favor being the other notable issues. Cheers! John Sloan (view / chat) 22:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

He also decided to take his gloat to the talk page. - Wikiwag (blahblah...) 22:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your note, John. Per your diff here, it seems that neither of them indent their comments which is an identifiable pattern. The admission of "I know him" and the "I live in this area" gives away a meatpuppet and COI feel to the air. I would recommend that both of them be warded away from the article per COI concerns (both of them possibly knew the teenager et al). Please feel free to message me if anything else comes up. ScarianCall me Pat! 22:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
TBH, I don't think me asking him to leave it alone is going to achieve anything. He has made it quite clear that he wont stop until he gets his way. He'd probably just find it funny if I made a request on his talk page to leave the article alone because of CoI. I'll let you know if any more disruption from him comes to my attention. However, I do get the feeling that this user will be on WP:AN/I sooner rather than later if he continues this conflict! Thanks :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 22:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Here's hoping... Btw, thanks for the help with this! John Sloan (view / chat) 22:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
  • OPINION ALERT* It seems to me that the main editors of the article are so polarized because they all seem to have *potential* CoI...1 "has more than a passing association" (may not be exact quote) with the school, the others -I think I understand- are ex-students and/or members of CAFETY, a youth-advocacy group that appears to strongly disapprove of the school and the type of school. The edit war among them was what drew my attention to the article originally. One of the sometime editors is an ex-student who related his (very bad) experiencs at the school (bravely I might add)before Congress in Washington and his testimony is cited in the article. It is interesting.sinneed (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
For the record, the exact quote was:
  • "while I do have a somewhat more than passing familiarity with the school, I am not an employee. I have however, seen first-hand the positive, long-term impact of the school's program since User:Patrickcolleton or User:DJJONE5NY's involvement. This is what prompted me to write the article in the first place."[1]
Note the term is familiarity, not association and I should probably have said "I am not now nor have I ever been an employee, paid consultant or developed a relationship where I am above questioning the school." Indeed, I was as horrified at the things I heard in John Martin-Crawford's testimony as I'm sure most people were; a point I made here. With that said, I believe my edit history demonstrates that I have endeavoured to be neutral, have graciously accepted criticism and correction where warranted, and have gone to more than reasonable lengths to reach consensus, e.g. here, here and here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Wikipedia:CoI#Close_relationships guideline specifically states"
  • Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral, but it may incline you towards some bias. Be guided by the advice of other editors.
Granted, I almost certainly do have some bias; I've personally witnessed what the school can and has done for young people at-risk over the past 6 years. However, my edits do have a history of "[exercising] great caution" on this article, and further demonstrate that I have gone to great lengths to "avoid breaching relevant policies and guidelines, especially neutral point of view, verifiability, and autobiography." Indeed, it is precisely because of those guidelines that I have been slapped with the "biased" and "vandal" labels by the CAFETY members. A label I'll add, that is unfairly and unreasonably shared by sinneed, B and Orlady.
My edit history demonstrates that I have met all these tests. Moreover, I am not a single purpose editor. While my edits are focused on a relative handful of articles as guided by my personal interests from time to time, they are diverse. Indeed, it is not possible for any new information to come from anywhere but someone with a more than passing familiarity with the subject; a point that I made to Sinneed just a few days ago.
I believe this a sufficient case to demonstrate that I do not have a WP:CoI problem on this article.
However, if it is the consensus of other editors that I have failed these tests, I will bow to WP:Policy, concede the point and refrain from further edits to the Family Foundation School article.
Many thanks for your time and your consideration. - Wikiwag (blahblah...) 05:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

As if I need to point you to this

you bloody stirrer, keep up the good fight my friend!--VS talk 23:03, 7 January 2009 (U

From Bert agaim

Thank you Pat for your nice note. you can do something for me. Go over the KAL oo7 article and correct punctuation. Also, If you can get those pictures up properly, and following Dave's suggestion,the right size script or type for the section titles or headings, not sure aboit this. Read over the talk page. Thank you again for your offer and your words.Bert Schlossberg (talk) 00:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for taking a second look. I can't understand why this editor's thoroughly insistent on turning the article into a wiktionary article, gutting the material, and splitting it into multiple similar articles, all weak stubs, but it's led to two sock reports already, and given the jumping IPs, I might have to soon appeal for semi-prot as well. Thanks again. ThuranX (talk) 03 8 January 2009 (UTC)