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Hi Xymmax. I notice in your close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/States of Ambazonia that you did close the AFD as "delete and redirect". However the article history has not been deleted per the closed ruling. Could you please delete the page and then redirect the page to Amazonia. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 17:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. I checked the appropriate box on the script and then got distracted and failed to ensure it went through. I've taken care of it now. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 04:04, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

A goat for you!

I award you this goat for your excellent user page, which I just saw today when I was thinking (what brave person closed that AFD, lol).

CT55555(talk) 17:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting the article. I appreciate you in taking efforts to restoring the last stable version but the current version you have restored is not correct. It even rollbacks many changes on which consensus was achieved on talk page. The current dispute was mainly related to changing popular historian to biographer.This is probably the best version to restore. [1] Razer(talk) 20:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I may well have not chosen the best version, but given back and forth over the last several weeks, I'm inclined to leave it until editors develop consensus on the talk page. Just put an edit request on the talk page when consensus is reached and I or another admin will act on it. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 20:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
The current version rollbacks the consensus related to the reviews of his works painstaking achieved on here and BLP Noticeboard . It also rollbacks copy edits done to the article by Baffle gab1978. If you really want the oldest stable edit before this particular dispute, It would be this - [2] . The first edit where Historian was changed to biographer was this - [3] Razer(talk) 21:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Fair points all, but I still feel that this should be a consensus discussion. I will open a section on the article talk page referring to this request. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 21:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
This dispute was regarding changing historian to biographer. But earlier after a considerable discussion in the two links I mentioned in the comment above. A consensus was achieved to change - he wrote a two-part biography of Savarkar that was held to be an uncritical work by most critics to he wrote a two-part biography of Savarkar that received praise for its thorough detail, but was also criticised for its uncritical treatment of Savarkar Razer(talk) 21:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Pinging @TrangaBellam @Morbidthoughts @Kautilya3 @Tristario. Who were involved in the consensus. Razer(talk) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
I understand. However, I still would ask that this discussion occur on the article talk page. When protection ends the way forward will be discussion there. I ask everyone to respond there rather than here. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 21:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
I have to apologies for the constant push but you have to understand the frustration when countless wiki hours have been spend on acquring a consensus only to be undone by a misunderstanding. The discussion has already happened on the talk page. It started here - [4] and then continued on BLP noticeboard - [5] where the final version was agreed to by both the parties. The current content dispute has no relation to the one I have mentioned. Razer(talk) 21:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thank you for your intervention & protection of the page relating to the edit war on 2020 United States presidential election in Pennsylvania.

~ AlaskaGal~ ^_^ 14:50, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

UTC

new@Xymmax 37.111.201.142 (talk) 02:49, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid this remark makes no sense to me. If you intend to leave me a message please try again. Thanks. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 02:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I read, both on WP:RPP and in the protection log, that you ramped the protection up to full protection due to semi-protection not stopping the disruption, However, the two editors that were causing disruption were only autoconfirmed, and not extended-confirmed (and one reverted their own edit), so I don't see why you didn't just use extended-confirmed protection instead, as no extended-confirmed editors edited disruptively. Let me know if there was a different reason for you using full protection. interstatefive  03:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I did not limit my consideration solely to the couple of edits that followed semi-protection. As you probably saw from the discussion on the article talk page, this entire edit war started as a joke on Twitter, and the attention there drove people to the article. At least one of those editors was extended confirmed. When I made the original decision to semi-protect, my hope was that I would exclude most of the problematic edits and create a chilling effect on the other editors so that they would stop edit warring. When I realized that I needed to take more drastic action, I decided to fully protect since it appeared people were still coming from Twitter. I put it at 72 hours to let thing calm down over there, but I may drop it down in a few hours if things stay quiet. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 01:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
And now I've reduced it as requested. [6]
Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 20:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Great! interstatefive  00:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of most-liked TikTok videos. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. benǝʇᴉɯ 07:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I will monitor the discussion and participate as needed. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 23:52, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Selina Tobaccowala

Hi there, I saw your review of the AfD I proposed. I thought that the overall sourcing of Selina Tobaccowala's page was weak and the additional sources brought up in the AfD did not solve her page's issue of being her resume. I was wondering why the page was kept despite the poor sourcing? I want to have a better understanding of the AfD process but it's been difficult considering the responses from a majority of users there. Thanks in advance. 30Four (talk) 22:24, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that there was anything wrong with your nomination. The sourcing, as you brought out during the discussion, fell short of what we hope to see from classic reliable sources. This was acknowledged by at least a couple of the editors who commented. You can get a sense of whether a nomination is likely to succeed by looking how similar noms have fared in the past. My sense is that in this case, editors felt that the defects that you mentioned could be overcome with additional editing, and that the sourcing was enough qualify her for an article. In some cases the arguments of one side are so far out of line with policy that a closer is compelled to close the case against their wishes, even if they have consensus in the discussion. More commonly though, both sides have some argument grounded in policy, and the question is which policy applies. However, these discussions are more art than science. There tends to be one subset of editors who frequents a wide variety of deletion discussions on different topics, while other tend to appear in reference to the particular article nominated. The interaction between these groups produces the result, which can vary a bit depending on who shows up. There does tend to be a middle that commonly holds in most cases. Here, the assertion that the sourcing was enough for WP:GNG won consensus, so I kept the article. Of course consensus can change so if the article is no better in a few months, you may find it appropriate to nominate the article again. I hope this helps. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 03:15, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Metal Masters Tour

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Metal Masters Tour. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:4403:E009:6080:BD67 (talk) 03:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll chime in if they have any questions. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 01:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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Greetings. You had closed this discussion as delete, but as the page had been moved to List of FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship qualifications, XFDcloser did not delete the article at that location. I tagged the article for a G6 speedy, but this was reverted by the sole "keep" voter from the discussion, with the justification that this was "Not discussed as a list article". This doesn't strike me as a valid objection, but I'll leave that call to you. Thanks. --Finngall talk 17:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it to my attention. There is a kernel of truth to the argument, so I'll just watch for now. But I do appreciate the heads up. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 23:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Xymmax, could you clarify your NC close a bit more me please? I think @Seraphimblade's relisting comment when the !votes were 6k-3d implied that the keep rationales were severely deficient.

The strong consensus at the NSPORT RfC last year supported the requirement that all athlete articles meet GNG and contain a citation to a SIGCOV source. So even if a subject meets a sport-specific notability criterion, there can be no presumption of GNG sourcing from that criterion if the required SIGCOV has not been identified, and furthermore having that single SIGCOV source is also not by itself sufficient to prevent deletion if reasonable BEFORE efforts do not uncover additional SIGCOV (and given multiple people performed searches in Thai within Thai news archives; the Thai WP page was consulted; and a Thai editor was active in this discussion and was asked if he found any other coverage, I think the BEFORE was more than reasonable). This was held to be the case even for pre-Internet/non-Western subjects (otherwise we would have to allow articles on every single 19th century English cricketer...). The consensus in dozens (hundreds?) of previous athlete AfDs has thus been to discount !votes that rely only on sport-specific subcriteria without pointing to the requisite NSPORT SIGCOV sources (so medaling at the Asian Games is no longer a valid rationale by itself), which means six keep !votes should be dismissed entirely. 2/3 of the remaining keep !votes are hedged as "weak keep", and all 3 allege sourcing would exist if the subject was active nowadays/was Western/Thai sources were digitized. But GNG and NSPORT are not met with vague assurances that unidentified offline sources probably cover the subject, and they certainly aren't met if the coverage isn't even alleged to exist.

That gives us 4-6 delete !votes vs ~3 !votes that could generously be described as IAR, 2 of which are prefixed as "weak" and 1 of which asserts SIGCOV is met with two partial sentences from a routine announcement...

Would you be open to reconsidering the close, or consider reopening it? Thanks, JoelleJay (talk) 02:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Generally I agree with your assessment of how policy should apply to this article in the abstract. The issue comes in how to fairly weigh the other arguments. I guess I'm reading the keeps collectively as being different facets of an IAR-style argument that the article should be given a pass based on the subject's perceived stature - that is, "surely a person who did X has been written about extensively, if only we could read the language/access the hard copy materials" or what have you. This is absolutely not an endorsement of that view, but I did feel that there were enough editors effectively espousing it that I didn't see a rough consensus to delete. I'm inclined to keep this closed, it's been open for over a month and had 3 relists already, and at some point the discussion must end. I expect this will be renominated at some point, and I would not consider this close to carry any particular weight if it is. Cheers. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 03:17, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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