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Thank you for your edits to Grammar. They are helpful! Please seriously consider the comments of March 2019 regarding edit summaries.—Anita5192 (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Wired UK article about Brexit Wikpedia page

Hi Yucheng Quentin Pan,

I'm a journalist for Wired UK magazine and I'm writing a piece about the Brexit Wikipedia page. I see that you've been a really active contributor to the entry and would love to talk to you about it. Are you up for being interviewed for the piece?

You can find my email on my Twitter page if so.

Thanks, Matt Mrey445 (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Consonant voicing and devoicing

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Standard Chinese

Hello- is there any website ending with .tw that says that so-called 'Standard Chinese' is the official language of Taiwan? If not, please be a little bit more careful when using this wording as it was used here ([1]). Taiwanese Mandarin is probably what you were thinking of. Thanks. Geographyinitiative (talk) 13:49, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

@Geographyinitiative: Thank you for your message. Taiwan currently does not have a de jure official language, but the de facto official language is Standard Chinese. The current phrasing of "the most common language used in government" is acceptable to me, but there isn't a clear-cut difference between Standard Chinese and Taiwanese Mandarin. To me, Standard Chinese is a hypernym of both Putonghua and Guoyu (Taiwanese Mandarin). The official use of both governments (of Taiwan and mainland China) would be closer to the "standard", while the way ordinary Taiwanese people speak inclines to Taiwanese Mandarin. Punnani Katabbani (talk) 14:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

"but the de facto official language is Standard Chinese." (no proof provided) "but there isn't a clear-cut difference between Standard Chinese and Taiwanese Mandarin." (Don't you see that Standard Chinese is a PRC concept?) To me, Standard Chinese is synonym of Putonghua and an attempt to pretend Mandarin equals Chinese, like saying French is the Standard Romance Language. The people on Taiwan never use the term Standard Chinese in reference to Guoyu (Taiwanese Mandarin) as far as I have seen, and I would need specific, clear evidence to the contrary to be led to believe otherwise. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

There is at least one clear-cut difference between Standard Chinese and Taiwanese Mandarin: we know for certain that one of these terms is unquestionably relevant to the language in Taiwan. Specific proof that the other term is relevant to Taiwan is needed. Geographyinitiative (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Called Mandarin, not Standard Chinese. Speaking objectively, China is presently not a free country (https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2019/china) and Taiwan is one of the freest countries in the world (https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2019/taiwan). They may use different terminology to refer to similar but different concepts. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:03, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Also, there is one more possibility: these nation-states may not have anything like the western concept of an 'official language'. 'Official language' is a concept rooted in the Western legal framework and may not apply anywhere else really (although the Western mindset seeks to impose itself everywhere and hence we sometimes assume things are "official languages" when no such statement has been made by the official organs of government). The USA federal gov has no official language, and it doesn't need one. Other governments may do the same. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:08, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

I will try to be as objective as I can in this matter. I think what I would need to see is specific reasoning that would mean that the languages in these dictionaries (http://dict.concised.moe.edu.tw & http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw) can be called Standard Chinese. Without that evidence, all I can see is Taiwanese Mandarin. I would think that the people that run Putonghua Proficiency Test would think that the langauge outlined in those two dictionaries is definitely not Standard Chinese and is more like Taiwanese Mandarin, but that's my guess. Sorry for sending so many comments, but I may be a little too passionate about this! Thanks for your time. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:20, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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