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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 13 August 2023 [1].

Daisy Bacon

Nominator(s): Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Daisy Bacon, the editor of Love Story Magazine for most of that magazine's life. (This is new territory for me, as I've never before nominated a biography of anyone born in the last 1,000 years.) Love Story was the most successful pulp of them all, reaching perhaps 600,000 readers, more than any of the western, detective, horror, or science fiction magazines. I found out about Bacon when researching Doc Savage and The Shadow, since she edited them for a few issues right at the end of their run. The article has had a peer review, with very helpful comments from Aoba47, SusunW, Caeciliusinhorto, and Mujinga. I hesitated about nominating this, as it depends very heavily on one source, a book-length biography of Bacon by Laurie Powers. However, there are many newspaper articles about Bacon, so there's no question she's notable, and I've chosen to use Powers rather than the newspaper articles in almost every case since Powers points out innumerable errors in the newspaper coverage. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aoba47

I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. All of my comments have already been addressed in the peer review process. I have read through the article a few more times, and I could not find anything else to add. Great work and best of luck with the FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 17:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from SusunW

Mostly said everything I needed to at the PR. Having read through it again, only have minor notes:

"as Ford could not climb the stairs" should be followed by a comma
"scholarship fund for journalism students" should probably specify that it isn't for any journalism student, but only those who are attending Port Washington High School.
ISBNs should be consistently formatted as 13- or 10-digits and properly segmented.
MOS indicates "definite and indefinite articles, short coordinating conjunctions, and short prepositions". That said, "Port Washington's Very Own Queen Of The Pulps" is what the article is titled, but probably "of the" shouldn't be capitalized.

Nothing major, just a few tweaks. As for based mostly on one source, as we discussed, plenty of sources to confirm significant coverage, but Powers is the most authoritative. Good luck on the FAC. SusunW (talk) 22:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All done except for changing one of the 10-digit ISBNs to 13-digit -- I think I read somewhere that that's OK to do if both are given, but one shouldn't make the change if the book is too old to have a 13-digit ISBN as then it can't be used by a reader with a physical copy of the book to verify they have the right one. Thanks for the comments. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am certainly not going to quibble over that (my own view is we should use what the version we have says, but I've been dinged for that before.) Happy to support. Good luck, Mike. SusunW (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:DaisyBacon1941.png is missing a full fair-use rationale, and should use {{non-free biog-pic}} instead of the current tagging
I started doing this but decided that a crop of the free image already in the article would do, so I've done that instead. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
File:Daisy_Bacon_in_bed.jpg: when and where was this first published? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:42, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1942 in Parade Weekly. I've updated the file details. The renewal would have happened around 1970; I checked the periodical renewal registrations under "Parade" and found nothing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Edwininlondon

Thank you for bringing a bit of pulp fiction here at FAC. Very little to report, just a few nitpicky items:

a major pulp magazine publisher --> why is this a link? pulp fiction was linked and goes to the same artile
Unlinked. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
she was fired --> sounds more like a case of made redundant
Yes -- I originally had "let go", but it was suggested at the PR that this was a bit of a euphemism. I've changed it back -- I think there's enough of a distinction in meaning that this is not a euphemism. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
lodged with the Bacons for a while in 1930 --> not sure I'm following, who are the Bacons at this point?
My mistake -- Jesse was a Ford by this time, and Esther had never been a Bacon. Glad you caught this. Changed to "lodged with Bacon and her mother and half-sister". Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was in bedsheet format, with slightly more risqué plots: nudity was occasionally mentioned, and Powers comments on the language used: "More .. --> this is not the most elegant sentence, with two colons and a dubious "and" before Powers
Made the first colon a full stop. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After thinking about this I agree with you re the dubious "and" and have reworded it some more. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:08, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"More explicit kissing scenes used word such as 'sensuous' and ... several times". --> looks like a whole sentence to me so should end in ."
Done. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me. Edwininlondon (talk) 14:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review; all fixed, I think. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this meets all the FA requirements, so I support. Edwininlondon (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Source formatting is consistent and the necessary information is there. Is it just me, or is the article almost entirely reliant on Powers 2019? The sources seem to be reliable and suitable for their usage. For this time, source spot-check only upon request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Powers is the only bio. There are lots of newspaper sources I could have used, but Powers gives the same info and also points out many errors in the newspaper coverage, so I didn't want to use newspapers where I could cite Powers. Thanks for the review. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 17:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, folks overestimate the reliability of newspapers pretty much everywhere. TBH I am always antsy when I see articles mostly or entirely sourced to newspapers, especially with contemporary politics. Beyond that, with the caveats regarding not knowing most sources and no spotcheck, it seems fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from BennyOnTheLoose

Support. Great work and I don't have any improvement suggestions. I made some script-suggested trival tweaks, but feel free to revert any of them. digest-sized is a duplicate link but may be fine per the recently-revised WP:DUPLINK. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC) P.S. Another script suggested adding a comma after "October 23, 1926" in the caption, but I didn't implement that one. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BennyOnTheLoose, thanks for the review and support. I did revert the change to the section heading from "Street & Smith" to "Street and Smith" -- the publisher is almost always referred to with the ampersand, so I think it should be consistent with the text. The other script change I reverted was the removal of double spaces after each sentence. This is one of those editor preference things -- if you were taught to use two spaces for sentence spacing, as I was, anything else looks odd, and since it has no effect on the displayed page I'd like to leave it as it is. To be honest I think it's something that scripts should never change, and I'd be curious to know which script did this. Anyway, thanks again for the review. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:50, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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