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October music

October songs

my story today

My story today is sad but great. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

It is a good story. For us to know joy we must also know sadness. It is the balance of life. I also looked at your pictures. Two things stood out. Sept 23 is my mom's birthday and you were celebrating birthdays - the world is a smaller place than we recognize. That ancient cow is awesome. SusunW (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, agree about joy and sadness. The birthday celebration of my friend was not her real birthday, but nice coincidence ;) - Today another sad story, but a birthday tomorrow, and perhaps more pics later. Want to do a FAC before, - haven't gotten to that lately. Instead of doing it, I had first to fix the basics of another heldentenor who died, and which still has no references ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

A few more pics, and see my talk for what we sang today (I'm the woman in red, of course), and what Tabea Zimmermann played (today's story on her birthday): I heard it, and it's on YouTube. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Very cool. Love the photos. I am hip deep in a cold war story that needs to be told. Am totally enjoying writing her story, although the Japanese is hard. SusunW (talk) 22:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

A few more pics - rest of September. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Love, love, love the photos. The little pond looks like the perfect place to go fishing with grandpa. Oh how I miss doing that. SusunW (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

How nice of you to say that! - More pics then, along a river, and today's story is on a birthday, and the real DYK was already on that birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to be slow to answer. We lost my second mother on our wedding anniversary. I was so glad that we got to see her at my mom's birthday. She was 91, so not unexpected, but still it was not an easy loss. I love the photos. The train and that bridge are exquisite. SusunW (talk) 14:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I feel with you about your loss, - please give a hug to your husband. I have an entry for "memory" almost constantly on my talk, working on Carla Bley right now. One more day of pics, around a palace. I will listen to a choral concert tonight announced as "About love, evening and night", at the place of today's story. I sometimes feel that night music and death music are very similar. Suscepit Israel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Sending my condolences, SusunW, and a hug. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Rosiestep. I appreciate it. SusunW (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music - more about that music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt love the sculpture. And that red ivy. I think I have never seen ivy that wasn't green. A feast for the eyes. SusunW (talk) 13:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

This climber is also green for most of the year, - it turns red only for a few days just before falling. - The sculptor's widow was at the reception on a hot June day, and loved so much how many came, and explained, so full of life! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

A Romanian woman composer is today's topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Very cool. I enjoy writing about Romanian women from time to time. My lady of the day is a Vietnamese anti-war activist. Took a lot of work to figure out what to call the article, and I'm still working with George on photos, but she went live. SusunW (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, and for "yours"! And today it's about a couple - found the cute image only yesterday, and it's not exactly clear if taken before or after their wedding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Love the photo. Also the flowers and the mushroom on your photos page. SusunW (talk) 16:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

have a few more, then ;) - a French woman today with a small body and a great voice whose portrayal of a role with different aspects I enjoyed! And another interesting composer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Both are lovely, as are the cow photos. What kind of cow? Brought back traveling with my dad images in my head. We drove all over the US when I was a kid. Two of our favorite games were trying to find license tags from each state and naming how many varieties of cows we could find. I guess to most people a cow is just a cow, but there are huge differences between say an Angus, a Texas Longhorn, a Charolais, a Hereford, a Guernsey, a Santa Gertrudis, a Brahma, etc. Mayhaps one has to be from cattle country SusunW (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I wish I knew which kind of cow. The look like an older "style" of cow, and know that some animals are sort of recreated. - Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. Today is Reformation Day, and I believe that reformation is a work in progress. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Today is the beginning of Días de Muertos celebrations and tomorrow is Hanal Pixán, huge celebration in the Yucatan peninsula to remember friends and family members who have died and celebrate the circle of life. (Hevenu shalom aleichem is one of the few things I learned in Hebrew class - my godparents were Jewish - that I remember.) Peace is definitely central to our being and I think cannot be achieved without compromise. SusunW (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

November music

November songs

my story today

Hevenu shalom aleichem is my story today. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

new pics - tired - more to come tomorrow --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Peace is part of my wishes every day. Love the bread, looks yummy, and that cathedral ceiling is divine. SusunW (talk) 13:27, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

We returned on Sunday for a service, and prayed for peace together. Pics to come (later today), - first articles, and probably a concert, imagine, of my song of defiance ;) - That unspeakable arbcase resulted in a FA, - not too bad. - I was in Madrid on 1 Nov where they also remembered the dead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, more pics! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Lovely, lovely eye candy. I think I could live in a library SusunW (talk) 14:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you ;) - a few more + I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

More, if you like: today I have three items on the Main page, almost too much of a good thing! Bach's amazing cantata with the unusual scale, first performed 300 years ago OTD, the nun for the prostitutes, and Schumann's wedding gift for Clara. Also first day of vacation pics uploaded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Today is St. Martin's Day, which stands for sharing. Sharing one more day of vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Lovely, trip from the looks of it. Beautiful sunrise/sunsets, the coastline is pretty, are the rocks coral or lava? and those green flowers, whoever heard of green flowers until one sees them with their own eyes. SusunW (talk) 14:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for looking so closely! - I'm not good in geology and Latin names for flowers, - the rocks look just like rock to me, - no coral, no lava. - I began another day of vacation pics, with more rocks and the deepest blue of the sea ;) - we celebrate the birthday of a friend who wrote quite a book about the compositions of a man who will turn 300 soon. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Next day of pics - today my topic is a soprano. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Different topic: Claude Kahn, and I found this which looks like a historic 1985 recital program from Bogotá. Are there biographical things in it that might be added? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:50, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

He's on the Main page now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, it's been a zoo at my place. Trying to get ready for Thanksgiving and dealing with computer problems. SusunW (talk) 13:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. Hope you can still enjoy Thanksgiving! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Time to say thank you for improving article quality, tirelessly, also in November! - My story today is a DYK hook from 13 years ago OTD: about the great music at one of my churches. Mozart's Requiem to come on Sunday, coupled with Arvo Pärt's Da pacem Domine, - I guess you might come if it was a bit closer. Perhaps watch the video of our last production, our first on yt, ever, - one composer from the Argentina, and the other actually came to the second performance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I am really enjoying working through the WIDF activists. I love the photos and all of your work on music. Cats, food, music and beaches. How could life get better? SusunW (talk) 16:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Love it ;) - User Talk:Gerda Arendt#Mozart Requiem: high spirits --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Few words

Just a few words... Susun, as you walk your journey today, going about improving articles and creating new content, remember, you are a phenomenal person, a tremendous light, a beautiful song, with gifts and abilities that are exclusively and uniquely yours. You are appreciated and loved. Be that Rainbow, the best version of you! --ARoseWolf 14:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

ARoseWolf the feeling is completely mutual. I very much appreciate you and your positive light and songs. SusunW (talk) 14:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Women's International Democratic Federation

I've had a first go at copy editing but I think the text could still benefit from further improvement. I noticed that the lead states that "the United Nations declared 1975 as International Women's Year" but this is not specifically reflected in the body of the article. Under Cold War changes, I think we could mention that they met in North Korea (not just Korea), as mentioned in various sources. Fleeting mention of the various congresses and conferences held over the years will no doubt be improved as further interest in the organization begins to emerge. For now, the article provides a good overview. As you may have noticed, I've started to compile a list of names which I'll try to extend as time permits.--Ipigott (talk) 13:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Have we any information when Women of the Whole World began and ceased publication?--Ipigott (talk) 13:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC) Don't want to complicate things further but I've just come across this CIA document which doesn't seem to be among your sources. It lists the names of many affiliated organizations and people involved (back in 1956).--Ipigott (talk) 14:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Ipigott Good catch - leaving out IWY in the body is a big deal. I'll look to fix that. And yes, obviously it's been around for almost 80 years, so a lot to try to condense. There wasn't much to go on from where I started Special:PermanentLink/1169781840. (I think the Korea trip probably deserves its own article, but that won't be for me to write.) As source materials are found (de Haan said something about negotiations being underway for private holders to donate the materials from the Paris years to an archive in 2012, but no clue if that happened) and academics begin writing more about it, I am sure the article can be further improved. I also couldn't find any scholarly assessments about the organization in its "after the 1990s" modern form. Could have expanded it a bit with newspaper snippets, but since there was so much controversy about the organization, I felt scholarly work was best. I think the journal began at the outset. Various sources talk about articles in 1946 and 1947. I have no idea if it is still in publication. I'll do a bit more checking after I finish working through the names. So much to do with it. Everyone has been pretty generous in jumping in and I am very grateful for all the help on it. You and I both know that access to sourcing depends on where one "is" so people outside of Mexico probably have access to sources I don't. SusunW (talk) 14:16, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

In any case, the whole thing seems to be progressing well and has opened up a new chapter for us in covering the biographies of women associated with "democratic" organizations. I've just discovered that the two Danes mentioned in the CIA document, Ruth Hermann and Alvilda Larsen, already have articles in Danish and could easily be covered in English (now that we are focusing on women in politics). The same is probably true for many more. Looks like we should be compiling some red lists. Please let me know when you are happy with the article and I'll take a new look.

From here I see that Women of the Whole World was published from 1951 to 1990. monthly 1951-65, quarterly 1966-89, bimonthly 1990.--Ipigott (talk) 14:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Ipigott Great that you found some Danish women. Both the Danish and Luxembourgish organizations could be done too. I totally agree on the redlist bit. Lots of women/organizations to cover. I kind of have been holding off posting them in activists/organizations until we confirm the names. It's slow going. I keep having to phone a friend. LOL. Good on the publication (which also should probably have an article), but I truly think I saw info that it started earlier. Anyway, I'll add dates. SusunW (talk) 15:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree we could cover lots of their organizations too, starting with the Union des femmes luxembourgeoises or Union of Luxembourg Women. But please, Susun, don't get into the habit of calling everything to do with Luxembourg "Luxembourgish"- Unfortunately the Luxembourg authorities (mis)use it all the time but unless you are referring to the language, in English we just use "Luxembourg" as the qualifier, e.g. Luxembourg football, Luxembourg weather, Luxembourg organizations (just like New Zealand football, New Zealand weather, New Zealand organizations). Another horror is the Wikipedia invention "Luxembourgian". Just look at all those categories: Luxembourgian people, Luxembourgian architecture, Luxembourgian art, etc., etc. I once considered trying to have them all corrected but I realized I would be overruled by "experts" who have little knowledge of the English language and its usage. And of course the Luxembourgers themselves (Luxembourgians???) would probably want to change them to Luxembourgish based on the widely used adjective "letzeburgesch" in Luxembourgish. Nevertheless I'm pleased to see that the actual titles of articles of things relating to Luxembourg are generally correct: Luxembourg Armed Forces, Luxembourg Film Award, Luxembourg women's national football team. Sorry about all that but it's one of those things that always upsets me.--Ipigott (talk) 17:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Good to know. My family (Theis) from (Clemency/Messancy) Luxembourg have always used Luxemburger, no "o", probably an Americanization, as an adjective, never "ish". SusunW (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

It's a small world. I didn't realize you had such close connections with Luxembourg. Clemency or Kënzeg is a charming little village in Luxembourg about 12 km west of Mamer where we live, while Messancy is a bit further away in the Belgian province of Luxembourg. Perhaps you have visited them yourself? Luxemburg without the O is also an acceptable spelling for the country and the people are often referred to as Luxemburgers, especially in historical accounts. But as Luxemburg is also the name of the country in German, current usage now prefers the French Luxembourg. That is also the spelling used in all official European Union documents. Interesting that your family use Luxemburger more generally as an adjective. Do any of them still speak Luxembourgish? You might be interested to see from here that there are almost as many records of people called Theis in America as there are in Luxembourg. Clemency is listed with 112. Amazing what you can find on the internet! (Three places in the US are called Luxemburg, none Luxembourg.)--Ipigott (talk) 09:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Indeed a small world. Been to Luxembourg, but not Clemency. (Been to Belgium, but not Messancy and been to Wisconsin, but not to Belgium, LOL) Amazing you live close to there. Whenever I say some of my family came from Luxembourg, people ask where that is. None of them still speak anything but English as far as I know. It's my only line that came in the 19th century and they lived in Belgium, Wisconsin, before they made the 1895 land run. They came in 1867-1868. The rest of my whole family were southerners and came before the US was the US. No New England blue bloods, just proud southern dirt farmers. The judge who tried the Silkwood case is a distant Theis relative. (I'm also distantly related to Clarence Darrow, 17th cousin or something, but by the time the Darrows married in, the line I come from was living in the south). SusunW (talk) 13:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Many Americans seem to think Luxembourg is in Germany. I've even received mail addressed to Luxembourg, Germany! Thousands of Luxembourgers emigrated to Chicago from the mid-19th century where they established a close-knit community, including their own newspaper (Luxemburger Post from 1897) which from time to time published articles in Luxembourgish. I can remember people used to joke about the fact that the world's only Luxembourgish-language newspaper was printed in Chicago. That was, of course, long before Luxembourgish became an official language in Luxembourg in 1984.--Ipigott (talk) 16:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I get that too, "oh, so they were from Germany". Me, "no, part of what is now Belgium and Luxembourg, it's another country". There was a large community in Wisconsin too. There's a book about the migration, [1]. SusunW (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

The German original is digitized here. And now I think we need to get back to more serious things...---Ipigott (talk) 16:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, like figuring out the names and the United Nations Messenger of Peace award supposedly given to WIDF in Copenhagen in 1986. See talk page. SusunW (talk) 17:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Just a short footnote to say how much I appreciate your excellent on-going work on Isie Smuts. It's far more detailed than anything I could have done. So those citation templates were actually a blessing in disguise. "No hay mal que por bien no venga" - one of my favourite Spanish sayings.--Ipigott (talk) 09:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, nothing is totally bad if it results in good, but the condescension wasn't necessary. I'm slow, and don't like working in mainspace, because I get sidetracked and have to research something. Like, I spent over an hour yesterday on the whole issue of whether Joel was her uncle or cousin. It's how my brain works, but we're getting there. I am happy to help. SusunW (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

  Ipigott Is there a link to the photo of Smuts, Jan, and Santa? In one of the sources I am using there's a copy of the photo, but it says it was taken in 1904. Obviously if your source confirms it was published in 1895 that date is wrong. SusunW (talk) 22:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Your source is probably correct. I just copied the image from AF Wikipedia on the basis of what I found there.--Ipigott (talk) 06:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

It looks as if you are close to completing work on this. I take a more careful look tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 20:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Ipigott Thanks. And yes, I will give it one more read through, but I think I'm done, except for the picture part. Hopefully George is back soon. I appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 20:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

WIDF Caracas 2007

In connection with sources related to Márcia Campos, I came across this detailed account of the Caracas congress. I also see that several communications from Campos on letter-headed paper refer to the organization as "Women International Democratic Organization" (see for example here). Perhaps I should have mentioned this on the WIDF talk page but did not want to confuse things any further there for the time being. I'll put something together on Campos (who seems to be strongly left wing) today or tomorrow.--Ipigott (talk) 15:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Ipigott I see that you created Campos. Thank you so much for working on these women! I don't see it called Organization but do see it as the "Women International Democratic Federation" I've only ever seen that version in Portuguese. The weight of sources citing it as "Women's", makes me think it is a translation thing. SusunW (talk) 14:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

My mistake. I wanted to draw attention to "Women" rather than "Women's". Probably not too important and may well be a mistranslation. I'll try to cover more of the non-English speaking women as time permits. For today, continuing with Campos.--Ipigott (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Cool. I'm finalizing the main article and then going back to my Indonesian woman. Just glad to have my computer back for now. SusunW (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Finished Campos for now. Glad to hear your computer's working again. Maybe you should just buy a new laptop with a large screen. Prices are not as high as they were. Covering Indonesian women is an ambitious undertaking. If you face any problems with Dutch, I might be able to help you along. I'll also try to add to my list of WIDF people and cover a few of them with biographies. It might be a long-term assignment as I keep coming across new names. On the other hand, I've been wondering if we have not fallen into the trap of dismissing the significance of socialist/communist organizations and their participants as a result of our Western background. In retrospect, many of their activities seem to have been based on fairly sound principles. Maybe we should be devoting more time to them as historical information becomes increasingly available. It would be interesting to find out if there are any university-based research initiatives along these lines.--Ipigott (talk) 16:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I am resigned that the computer has to be replaced and also that this will be an on-going project. Absolutely agree with your assessment, which is what de Haan called the "iron curtain" divide. Basically as you say dismissing the women and their organizations because they were affiliated with communism. I think I always knew it, but writing Matsuoka certainly made me much more aware of how similar our lives were but also how similar globally the struggles to decolonize were and how the cold war impacted people. It's a fascinating project for sure. I'm wrapping up Umi and will ask you to look at her. SusunW (talk) 16:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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Using the wiki library

Hi Susun! I realise I should have put my query here rather than on the WiR talk page sorry! I now have wiki library entry and have tried to search and find that Dictionary of Afro Latin biographies. But I just get reviews of it. Is there a page where I can read about how to actually use the library? I don't seem to know what I am doing! I expect there are lots of help pages somewhere? Thanks if you can! Balance person (talk) 10:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Balance person No worries, here I see the message directly. On the WiR page, I miss stuff if you don't ping me. I'm glad to help. I'll post the answer there, because it may help others. SusunW (talk) 14:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

SOOOO helpful Thank you. I have now got access to the page I need. Balance person (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Balance person I am very glad that worked! Good luck with your article. Feel free to ask any time and I'll try to help. SusunW (talk) 22:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thank you for creating thorough original articles about Native American women artists, especially Mary Adair. I'm amazed by how much information you could compile about her! Ahalenia (talk) 15:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Ahalenia Thank you. I have a particular affinity for research and having grown up in Oklahoma recognize the importance of Native people and the influences they have had on our culture. I have always said that I spent the first third of my life in the archives of Oklahoma doing research. I write to learn things and it is always a pleasure when someone else benefits from what I have written. SusunW (talk) 15:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Mary is too modest about her accomplishments, so I'm glad you've laid them out. Ahalenia (talk) 15:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Ahalenia

Ahalenia I think that is truth about many Native women who are artists. It may give me an edge that I took art classes they offered for kids at Philbook, Bacone, and Gilcrease, attended exhibits at those places and the Five Civilized Tribes Museum (and spent my honeymoon at an art exhibit at Philbook). I truth, have insider information on Oklahoma Native artists, although I don't consider it to be a COI if I don't know them personally. (i.e. I couldn't write about her kids, but I could write about her. ) SusunW (talk) 15:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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