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Hi Susun, hope all is well with you. I've been re-writing Mildred Mottahedeh after it was nominated for deletion, and I think I've come up with a pretty comprehensive account of a woman who, as it turns out, actually was a major figure in the porcelain world. I felt like I'd imagine you do in piecing together an article about a fascinating and under-covered, woman, and I thought I'd come to you for advice. I've written the article with all the sources I could find, but at a glance, are you finding any places to look that I haven't? Could I interest you in briefly giving the article a copyedit, as your prose is undoubtedly much better than mine? Do you have any other advice? Hopefully I'm not too much of a bother-- any help you may be able to offer would be greatly appreciated. All the best, and thank you for all the incredible work you've been up to, -- Eddie891 Talk Work 22:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey Eddie891 Glad to look at it and yes, putting the puzzle pieces together to find the story of someone's life is always exciting to me, like solving a mystery. Will probably be tomorrow before I get to it, as it's almost the time I knock off each evening. SusunW (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Eddie891 Gave it a light copyedit. Added info to the talk page and one thing that needs clarification. Just let me know if you need more help. SusunW (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Hope for 2021[edit]

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Thank you for improving article quality in December, and good wishes for a time of transition. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt. I appreciate the encouragement. Wishing you and yours a lovely holiday season. May we all have a better 2021. SusunW (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, and have a good new year 2021, full of articles about overlooked women! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
I think I may just have 1 article for the year, but it's a huge project, women's nationality. I may take a break from it and do a few women just to break up the tedious legal searches, as I can already tell you that searching legal history, in a foreign language is really, really hard. SusunW (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Hi SusunW - there's probably a clever way to use a bot or something to deliver lots of Christmassy greetings, but I don't know it so I'm doing it the old-fashioned way. I don't even know if you celebrate Christmas, but what the hell - I hope you and yours are well, and that you have as pleasant an end to the year, and a start to the next, as the present circumstances will allow. Thanks for making this a better, nicer place. GirthSummit (blether) 18:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Girth Summit! I hope you and yours are well too. All is good in sunny Mexico, well as good as can be with the specter of COVID hanging around. I also hope you and yours also have a lovely holiday season. SusunW (talk) 20:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
SusunW, sunny Mexico, you're making me feel jealous! Last week I was giving a talk to a group of 11 year olds about geology. Standing atop a hill, inside a cloud at about 2 degrees C, I explained that Yorkshire wasn't always cold and wet. "When these rocks were laid down, 200 million years ago, Yorkshire was at a sub-tropical latitude - we would have been standing on a beach by a shallow sea, in the warm sunshine..." GirthSummit (blether) 20:23, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
If it makes you feel better Girth Summit I have on long trousers, and a sweater. For us, it is cold (it's 23C, i.e. 73F, LOL), but I have never encountered being in fog or clouds here (maybe in DF). It is always sunny, even when it is raining. We are finally in the dry season, way too much rain this year, so hoping Chaac is content without giving us late season showers. SusunW (talk) 20:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
SusunW, 23 degree is cold? Come on! That's a pleasant summer's day - that would result in shorts being donned, and tops being removed, in these parts. Hope your dry season lives up to its name and you get some evenings outside. X GirthSummit (blether) 20:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Girth Summit I am happiest somewhere in the 30s, 28C is my absolute lowest comfortable temp and anything below that requires a sweater. Summer rolls around in May and thankfully lasts only that month typically. It hovers between 35-45C. Trust me, you don't even want to wear shorts. As for outside, I am there all the time, morning, midday and night, all year long. I go from my office to the kitchen through the garden, which has a giant awning to prevent both rain and too much sun on the patio. SusunW (talk) 20:49, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
When I lived in Edinburgh, I had this same conversation with my friend and colleague Jose Guilabert, who was from Madrid. We concluded that people adjust to get comfortable to different climates in their early years. Me, my perfect temperature is around 15 degrees - hotter than that and I start to get itchy. For him, anything less than 30 feels cold and he's looking for a sweater. Humans are wonderful things. GirthSummit (blether) 20:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Oh tru dat! It's what makes the world interesting. SusunW (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Philanthropist Frances "Fran" Todman[edit]

I wrote the article on biologist Marie Jakus which prompted me to start the Retina Foundation which then led to a possible redlink: Frances (Fran) Todman, the wife of Bill Todman. She died in 2008 and seems to have been a Jewish American philanthropist, community leader, and perhaps a socialite in health and the arts in New York City and Florida. It looks like she passes WP:GNG based on a quick and Google search. I have a list of early to mid 20th-century women scientists I want to stay more focused on but thought I'd pitch Todman here. (I hate to feel like I am ignoring a WIR). I'm sure you're busy so if you are not particularly interested, let me know and I will try to add Todman to Wikidata so it populates on the WIR redlist index. Thank you! TJMSmith (talk) 05:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

TJMSmith You know me well. I love a good hunt. Frances Holmes Burson was sneaky, but I've got her. SusunW (talk) 15:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
It took me far longer to figure out her history than to write the article. LOL But, she's done. SusunW (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Another woman saved from fading away into obscurity and being hidden beneath coverage their spouse! Plus it fit into WIR Philanthropy month nicely :) She had quite the residence [1] worth a measly $19 million. Thanks for writing this up! TJMSmith (talk) 21:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
No problem, as I said, I love a good hunt. And I saw that. Figured at least if it's up, others can add stuff. The hard part was figuring out her maiden name and where she grew up. Now back to poll taxes (and nationality which is probably going to be a year-long project) SusunW (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

History of British nationality law[edit]

Further to the WiR thread: Actually this has bits re women: Children born abroad needed a British father until ? to get British cit. Until 1933 or later, women lost cit if married a foreigner ... Johnbod (talk) 17:31, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Johnbod! As I said there, I know bits about British women's nationality, but am truly not versed in it. As the article develops, I hope to learn more. If you are interested in helping with it, I would be thrilled to have your help. SusunW (talk) 17:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Let me know when you've got a way on .... A proper lawyer might be better! It seems "women lost cit if married a foreigner" only started in 1870... Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps technically, but because of common law/coverture it started way before that. It's a bit of a mess still, but the structure is started. SusunW (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays[edit]

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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Magi (Jan Mostaert) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much Johnbod I return the sentiment to you and yours. May we all have a fruitful (and less stressful) 2021. SusunW (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Mrs. C. F. Byrd[edit]

Appears by all accounts to be Elaine Julia Kobylanski Byrd: obituary here. Her husband was Carol Hunter Byrd: Findagrave here. Not sure if there's enough out there to write an article, but at least we have a name. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

I can work with that. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 03:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Any time. Happy to be of help - good luck with your research. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 07:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Ser Amantio di Nicolao With a name I can always find something. Maybe not enough for notability, but certainly something. I despise that nonsense of obscuring women behind their spouse's name. Enjoy your holiday season. Stay safe. SusunW (talk) 14:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not fond of it myself. Especially for research, it gives me a headache. Anyhow, good luck with the research - though I did a cursory search last night under her own name (rather than her husband's), and turned up very little besides a couple of obituaries.
And merry happy whatever, as the TV series had it, to you and yours. :-) Here's hoping next year will be a damn sight better/pleasanter than what we've had to put up with this year... --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings[edit]

... with best wishes for a much better year in 2021.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year

May you and yours be happy and healthy, and let the dark be gone. Simon Adler (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much Simon Adler. Hope you and yours have a lovely holiday season. SusunW (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

First Woman's National Temperance Convention[edit]

Merry Christmas to you and yours!

Another historical, notable conference... I've started work on First Woman's National Temperance Convention and will continue trying to sort out attendee names tomorrow. Please feel free to join in if you have time and inclination. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Rosiestep Just saw this and am off to bed, but I think Mrs. Willing could be Jennie Fowler Willing. Will look at it more tomorrow when I have fresher eyes. SusunW (talk) 05:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Not having much luck this morning Rosiestep, I'll circle back, but am reminded that I was telling Sue last week about the Alexander Street Press Women and Social Movements database of suffragists. A lot of them were also temperance activists, so you might check here. SusunW (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Susun. I'll search for them in that database. I also think some of the "Mrs. [foo]" women might became apparent after I start creating articles for the women who are named and redlinked. Interesting how this conference article -initiated because of a WiR talkpage post- has energized my return to creating new articles when, since March, I just didn't have it in me. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
You are very welcome. Hope it helps. And glad you have been rekindled. Wishing you and yours a happy holiday and all of us a better (and less stressful) 2021. SusunW (talk) 18:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Susun. Indeed, everyone around the world is looking forward to a better and less stressful 2021! Also, sorry for the sea of green here, but I can't sort out how to stop the green lettering. Maybe a pagestalker will be able to do so. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy holidays![edit]

Happy Holidays!

Hi SusunW, May your holidays be merry and bright,
and hope you have a happy and healthy 2021

Netherzone (talk) 15:13, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Netherzone. May you and yours have a lovely holiday season as well. SusunW (talk) 15:56, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

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If angels sung a Savior’s birth,
On that auspicious morn,
We well may imitate their mirth,
Now He again is born!

If stars in heav'n shone bright as day
To light the manger throne,
We should rejoice as well as they
That love doth reign alone.

All Glory be to God on high,
And to the earth be peace;
Goodwill henceforth from heav'n to men
Begin and never cease.

- "Milford" by Joseph Stephenson, text anonymous

--Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

A New Year With Women in Red![edit]

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DYK for Marie-Louise Lacoste[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 30 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie-Louise Lacoste, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the diaries of Lady Lacoste, a 19th-century philanthropist from Montreal, give historians a rare look into how emotions impacted the lives of women in her social class? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marie-Louise Lacoste. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Marie-Louise Lacoste), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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This one made the monthly list with over 5,500 views! Yoninah (talk) 00:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
It always amazes me when that happens. Thank you for all of your work and best wishes for a fruitful and stressless 2021, Yoninah. SusunW (talk) 05:24, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

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A quote from Gargantua and Pantagruel by Rabelais; it is taken from the manuscript of Jules Massenet's opera Panurge, in the composer's own hand. It is my greeting of choice for the new year, because it encourages us to live joyfully, and try not to take life too seriously...while quaffing whatever beverage we choose, naturally. This has been a challenging year, to say the least; I hope that 2021 may bring a fresh start, and better days ahead. May the new year bring you joy and peace...and many days of fruitful editing.

--Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Gracias, mi amigo. Hoping that it brings far less stress than this one did. Happy New Year. SusunW (talk) 23:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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Congratulations on the No. 16 DYK hook of 2020![edit]

The 2020 totals are now complete, and your hook for Beulah Ream Allen and her story of survival at Japanese internment camps ranked as the No. 16 hook of the year with 1,769 DYK views per hour. A list of the 25 most viewed hooks of the year can be viewed at "Top hooks of 2020". Congratulations on your hook's remarkable showing, and keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 10:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


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That's great! - I tried to give 2021 a good start by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct, - did you know that - at five years - you belong to project's "oldest" active members? For moar private "happy new year" see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Proud today of a pic I took. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Maintenance template review and removal request[edit]


New year greetings.

I have been supporting a rights activist' article Zara Kay, the article had been templated for clear notabilty by those who wished to contest existence of the article.

During last week this particular rights activist Zara Kay had been arrested in Tanzania and Australian news reports have covered the news and I have updated related section Zara Kay#2020 Arrest for the same.

Just requesting you to review the notability template and pl. help remove if it does not remain necessary.

Thanks and warm regards Bookku (talk) 08:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Bookku Done. Probably enough there to squeak by on GNG now. SusunW (talk) 15:17, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

@ User:SusunW Many thanks, It's very nice of you. Bookku (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

In appreciation[edit]

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By the authority vested in me by myself it gives me great pleasure to present you with this special, very exclusive award created just for we few, we happy few, this band of brothers, who have shed sweat, tears, and probably blood, in order to be able to proudly claim "I too have taken an article to Featured status". Gog the Mild (talk) 21:32, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
But only with help from many. Thank you Gog the Mild. I wouldn't have done it without your nudging. SusunW (talk) 21:55, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
No worries. Erm; you are aware of the traditional reward for a good job well done ... ? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild, how many times do I have to tell you I am not proper. Pudding? SusunW (talk) 22:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
SusunW, nope; another, more difficult job! Face-smile.svg Gog the Mild (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild I'll face off with you in a pudding challenge any day and I'm fairly sure I'll win. It's difficult to make good desserts. However, far simpler for me than what you probably have in mind. However, if it's reviewing you want, I will force myself to try. SusunW (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
SusunW, oh, you already owe me reviews on demand for life *evil cackle* . I was thinking of your forthcoming FAC on women and citizenship. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
LOL. Gog the Mild it'll be at least a year before that is anywhere near ready. Heck, I haven't even made it through one continent. I have managed to draft updates for the legal status to existing articles on nationality for 9 countries out of 191. I still want to proof them and get the information into a table before they move from the draft. Have written a bit on the international movement to change the laws, but haven't incorporated information from Africa, Asia, Europe, or Oceania, except what was readily available in the stuff I already knew or had written about. Haven't even started on the movements from each continent. Heck, just writing that, maybe it's 2 years out... 3:) 22:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild I would suggest not getting into a pudding challenge with Susun, however entertaining and creative as that might be. Better yet, scratch that and go with the pudding challenge as long as I get to have whatever Susun comes up with. Congrats to you, chica. I am so amazed and honored to know ya! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Tsistunagiska as always you make me smile. What an interesting gathering it would be to have coffee around a table with "pudding" (perhaps we start with my famous pecan pie and then move to something less traditional, say sour orange meringue served on a chocolate crust with just a touch of chiles de arbol). I've always thought it would be amazing to have all the people I admire gathered in one place to just commune. But, I digress, I have work to do. Back to trying to figure out the ins and outs of nationality. SusunW (talk) 14:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Are you going to do it as a multi-article topic? On over-arching summary; some "technical" description articles a bit to the side; then separate articles for each country or group of countries? Gog the Mild (talk) 15:04, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild Here is what I envision. Right now I am working on the blurbs to be inserted in the existing Fooian Nationality Law articles, except, I am finding those don't necessarily exist, *sigh*. When that is completed the information should be presented in a table for comparison and then each country blurb removed from the draft and moved to the nationality law articles. Next step will be to comprehensively cover the movement that developed to change the statutes. Depending on how much is found, that will dictate the scope of companion articles by continent, which will be summarized in a main draft. If that makes sense, that's the plan. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Ah ha. Sounds suitably cunning to me. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild yes that LOL. If you could wave that magic wand and make those Fooian Nationality articles appear, that would be a huge help. Barring that it will just continue to slog along at the pace I can dredge through the mire. SusunW (talk) 15:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Women's poll tax repeal movement[edit]

Cscr-featured.svgCongratulations, SusunW! The article you nominated, Women's poll tax repeal movement, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best articles on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.
This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured article. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Ealdgyth (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Congrats, Susun! If you like I can do the nom for you. Any specific date? 8 March? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda Arendt! I read this and my mind went, did I nominate the last one? How did I do that? Now I recall that you did that one too. Yes, please, and 8 March would be fabulous. I so appreciate your support and willingness to help. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
First step taken, adding to WP:TFARP, no competition yet for the day. The real nomination can come once 8 February will be scheduled. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
You are the best! Thank you so much Gerda Arendt. Your support and encouragement are genuinely appreciated. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
This step is very easy. For the nomination, It would be nice - unless the introduction is already of the right size - To prepare a blurb of mas o menos 1,050 chars in some some sandbox, or the article talk page. It depends a bit on image and image size how much is left for text. - This was perfect timing, as I just archived the TFAs of 2020, and the page looked a bit empty ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I seem to recall that last time as well some wonderful person wrote the blurb and all I had to do was review it. I'm hoping that will happen again, because I am truly buried in nationality. But, I'll check as we get closer and if it hasn't happened, I'll put something together. SusunW (talk) 17:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Non-status Indian[edit]

Back when I wrote Marie Smallface Marule, I came across the concept of Non-status Indians which may be specific to Canada but seems potentially related to your Women's nationality efforts. TJMSmith (talk) 16:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TJMSmith, I'll add it to the list. Great minds think alike. Megalibrarygirl and I were discussing limits to indigenous people's nationality just yesterday. It is indeed a complicated topic and definitely our nationality articles, what there are of them, are not comprehensive in their discussion of the topic. Most of them do not address limits that were imposed to exclude anyone. It's crazy. SusunW (talk) 16:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
TJMSmith I think there is a relationship when linked with others. I believe the law was changed in 2014 by the Supreme Court in Canada. Now, Status, non-status and metis all have the same rights. Ironically, unlike in the US, the word "Indian" is the only word used to describe them on government documents. In the US, "Native American" is almost used exclusively. There are a lot of tribes who call themselves "Indians" in both the US and Canada. However there is a large portion of those within the US that believe the word "Indian" is derogatory. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Definitely linked, as any laws that had exclusions based on ethnicity, "race", etc. Imagine, you are a woman who married an indigenous person before the 1930s-1940s. As he is barred from nationality, you are also stateless, your children are also stateless, no nation is required to protect you or the civil rights of you, your spouse, or your offspring. You are a foreigner in your own place of birth. It's just nuts. SusunW (talk) 17:07, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
It's quite tragic, and to think, this was all legal just a few years ago. The law wasn't challenged in court until 2013. It was overturned but then reinstated during the appeals process. Finally made it to the Supreme Court in 2014 and the lower courts ruling overturning that portion of the law was upheld.!!!! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:14, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Tsistunagiska and TJMSmith:, I was finding a lot of info about Native Americans and Alaska Natives not being allowed to vote in the US due to living on reservations. They were then considered "wards of the state" and not allowed to vote. I mentioned this to SusunW, but I think now that the voting issue is slightly different than the citizenship issue--unless being a ward of the state means you're not a citizen? Also citizenship rights seem to depend on whether a tribe is federally recognized. There's a tribe in Texas fighting to be recognized right now (I forgot the name!) It's really a mess and it needs to be written about. I've added the info about Alaska Natives to the Women's suffrage in Alaska and wrote about the Alaska Jim Crow laws in the article about racial segregation in the US. But I know there's a lot more to write about. It's history that no one wants to talk about and we need to. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Megalibrarygirl I am really hopeful that the voice of Indigenous people in America will be heard a little louder under the new administration but I am concerned as well. It just seems like they continually make promises but never follow through. During Obama's years Kimberly Teehee was promised she would be seated in Congress as per treaty agreements with the Cherokee Nation upon their removal from their ancestral home. Finally, it appeared the full treaty would be honored. But that agreement was never fulfilled and I know it disappointed a lot of people. I never expected it under a Trump administration so no surprise there. Maybe, hope upon hope, the treaty is honored under a Biden or Harris administration but we shall see. Politicians always make promises but deliver very little on what they say. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Yes Megalibrarygirl they are different but the same. Nationality establishes your relationship to the state from which the rights of citizenship and the protection of your rights flow. Basically, you cannot insist that your civil rights be protected if you are legally stateless because there is no one to make your demand to. It's why refugees are so vulnerable and why international agreements are vital. It is ugly history but it needs to be acknowledged and brought into the light. Otherwise we are just promulgating POV whitewashing of history. SusunW (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Couldn't agree with you more, Susun. I look at the destruction and removal of these historical monuments, however placed or built in ignorance they may be, and part of me understands the desire to remove something that has caused so much pain and anguish upon a person or group and having to pass those statues and plaques day after day, I know, but then part of me is like, removing it may help you deal with the pain right now, but our children wont understand you when you try to tell them the stories. It washes away history. It's a very deep and personal pain so I understand but, to me, I want them to be seen and I want to be able to walk up in those locations or point out in those cases the tragedy of the events and the atrocities committed. I want our children to know and the best way to teach them is to have visual representations. We are recording history in these cases and the truth, no matter how ugly it is, needs to be recorded, even if it is an indictment upon our direct ancestral heritage. We can't choose who our ancestors were. We can choose what our future will know about the past --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:39, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, I didn't know about Teehee not being seated. I remember seeing her and Obama in a picture... I think that's why it's important to get the history of Indigenous people on Wikipedia. I saw that 40% of Americans think that Native Americans either don't exist anymore or don't face discrimination! Without information online, people become invisible. I also hope that Native Americans fare better under the Biden administration. SusunW, I hope that refugees face better, too. I really like that, A Rose Wolf, "We can't choose who our ancestors were. We can choose what our future will know about the past." Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Megalibrarygirl: I got involved in studying my family history a few years ago. I could probably write a book on those experiences but, I digress, I was visiting my mother's sister in Oklahoma, along with my brother (my blood cousin as I was adopted). We had stopped at this grocery store and I had just been accosted by an employee there, that's another subject altogether, but I casually mentioned to this older gentlemen that I was down there to study my family history. He happened to be have been a professor for years and specialized in genealogy. Those are the exact words he told me. He wanted to prepare me to get the most out of what I could learn about my family. He also warned me that it is going to get really frustrating at times. That's when you have to remember why you are doing this. 1) We honor our ancestors, we don't have to always like who they were or what they necessarily did. We honor that they came before us. 2) We can't change them. We don't control the narrative of their lives. We can apply that in context to our lives presently but we can not place our values and virtues on them. 3) We, being the teachers, can and should (as a duty) dictate how the past is presented to the future. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Tsistunagiska, I really enjoy your perspective. Genealogy is a lot of work and I respect people who are good at it. I ended up having a really good talk with one of my friends here in El Paso about respecting history and the past tonight and brought up your quotes from this thread. It made him think--we were talking about how to preserve/destroy monuments for unsavory people from history. Thanks again for this convo and if you ever need anything, holler! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 08:51, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Megalibrarygirl Trust me, it's hard to look at some of these monuments and know the impact they had on history and not want to remove them. I get reminded about the life and struggle of Frederick Douglass. Here is a man who freed himself from slavery and in the beginning he believed the US Constitution was an evil document. But if you look at his beliefs after studying the document and background of creating it you see him change his views. He acknowledged those men were not perfect. He acknowledged they had a lot of faults. But he also saw in these documents where these imperfect men, maybe if they had a woman to help it would be less imperfect (Ha!), framed a document with the words "in order to create a more perfect union", not a perfect one but a more perfect one than has come before. Even though it is in that document, I believe it speaks to a greater cause, a worldwide cause that plagues us all and calls us to try our very best to make everything we do, now, more perfect and teach our future to build upon that and make it more perfect. I have dealt with a lot of people and the one characteristic about people that is a curse on us all is our imperfection. None of us are perfect and we are all subject to making a poor decision or developing views and conducting actions that, even if done out of ignorance and possibly even well-intended, can be destructive in its ends. But our imperfection is also a strength. How do we learn? Who do we learn from? I've made poor decisions in the past. I teach my daughter about those things in the hope she chooses to not follow that same path but we also discuss where good decisions were made and I hope she does emulate those qualities. It's a continuous process and the only way we can continue the process is not by tearing down the past but educating and adding to what is there to make it more perfect. Even if it lays out the ugliness of humankind on full display. It's a visible reminder and constant teacher of the fact we can do better. That's what I love about Wikipedia. It's more than just an encyclopedia to me. It's preservation of history, even the ugly parts should be included. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 14:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@Tsistunagiska and Megalibrarygirl: My most central belief in life is that we never learn unless we screw something up. Perfection is worthless, in a way, it is death, as one has nothing to learn. All the times that you do something "right" (whatever "right" is, as there are always multiple truths) only reinforces what you already know, think you already know, or have accepted to be true. I mean, can you remember every time you drove a car or washed a dish. No, but you can and do remember when you wrecked it, or with wet soapy hands broke a favorite family item. When you fail or screw something up, you are forced to reexamine how that happened, how to change course, and your preconceived notions. Why we venerate perfection is unfathomable to me, we should instead celebrate our imperfection (as you said Tsinstunagiska, it is our strength and I would say our gift). Uncovering the ugliness of our history is a part of that process for me. We cannot understand where we are and the complexity of any situation without examining where we failed. SusunW (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Frances Todman[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 9 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frances Todman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Fran Todman, who fundraised for the Retina Foundation for decades, was honored with an electrophysiology laboratory at the Schepens Eye Research Institute being named for her? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frances Todman. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Frances Todman), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

A bit of snow from Alaska to cool you down on this Monday[edit]

Alaska Snow

Not from my area but it's not far off from what I see on the trails. Our snow is about two to three feet deep in most places. It's pretty compacted on the trails but less so outside of them. The dogs love it!! Their discipline is about the only thing keeping me out of a snow drift (LOL). Our house looks like a giant pile of snow right now. These pesky flash blizzards keep piling it up. It's -2f and we may sneak up to 0 or 1f. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 19:51, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

You are far tougher than me. I am freezing and have on flannels, socks, a sweater, and a blanket. My hands literally (per my housekeeper) are ice cubes. It's hard to type, they are so cold. 25C/77F is no bueno and that's the outside temperature. In the house because of the drafts and foot thick walls, it's at least 10 degrees below that. I am miserable. Come on spring! SusunW (talk) 20:16, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't mind Spring/Summer. I get to make my wildflower salads again and pick wild berries. Travel can actually be more difficult with the thaw but we manage. Girl, we have wood stoves in every room and fireplaces all over the house (LOL). It's still right around freezing if you get far away from the heat source. My brothers new house has central heating though. It's pretty ingenious. If it 40f in one room its most likely 40f in every room. That's nice, especially in the bathroom which has next to no heat source in our house. I'd make the trip over every time I had to go but there's a lot of white stuff between us and by the time I got the dogs hitched up I probably wouldn't need to go anymore. Ah, life in arctic Alaska!!! Such a joy! --20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I think my brain just said "Nope, we done" on that last sentence (LOL). --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I have no heat in any room, except that provided by blankets or a lap cat. If I can just make it to February, we'll be back in the 80s and I'll be functional. LOL SusunW (talk) 20:46, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
We may not reach the 80's during Summer. That's not to say it doesn't get hot up here. Just to our south and east temperatures around 100f are not unprecedented. We are pretty protected from that. Still it can approach 80f during the warmest portion of Summer. Persephone, my cat, hates the cold here. She sleeps right next to the fire or nuzzles her way under my blankets at night. #SOSPOILED #EMPRESSKITTY #MADAMEPERS --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:53, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
My female cat, Mouse, is always under the blankets in winter. The boys, Yoda and Rusty, like me, sleep on the bed instead of in their hammocks. Thus, one can always tell if it is December or January here. Otherwise, we're all in a hammock, as the air circulates all around and through it keeping you cool. SusunW (talk) 21:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I need a hammock with a fire under it. Roastie-toastie Asareel is the way to go. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
OMG you make me laugh! SusunW (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I do have a heater, as in one, singular heater. I am, right now, sitting at the computer with a blanket draped over the desk, myself and the computer and the heater under my feet blowing "heated" air. My toes and fingers are still chilled to the bone!!! That's the way we roll when I'm on here (LOL). Mama has to stay warm. My daughter climbs in here with me often. It becomes a party with her, Persephone and myself crammed under this blanket tent but I don't mind (LOL). --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

(a friendly pagestalker) Hello Tsistunagiska and Susun. Mostly, I am always cold. When I took a (forced) work transfer to Las Vegas in 2009, my boss told me that either I'll survive through the summer or I won't, in which case, I'll need to leave. I laughed; she was clueless how much I would enjoy summer in dry desert heat. Now I live in the Sierra Nevada foothills and when I feel cold, I wrap myself in an electric blanket and "chill out". When I do "zoom" calls, often, I am sitting on an electric heating pad. As a child, I used to wonder why my mom always wore tights, but now I get it. Sending you both warm wishes. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I hear you Rosie. I'm always cold unless the temps creep up to 90-100. My perfect range. You know it is cold today, because my sister, who is always hot, is in a sweater. Probably the rain...why are we having rain in the dry season? Hope you are feeling better. SusunW (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Rosiestep I think it is safe to say you are always welcome in any of our conversations, Rosie. I know Wikipedia isn't a blog but it's about the only outside interaction I get these days, except occasional emails with the family. I have travelled to many places, both warm and cold. I woke up one day and told my parents I wanted to go on a trip. Off I went, little money, no mode of transportation. Just a young woman with wide eyes and a hungry heart to see and know the world. For months I travelled the US. I had so much fun meeting people and spending time among them even if it hurt me a lot, which it did. Experiencing the world different is both a curse and blessing. LA was amazing. San Francisco, as I remember it, was gorgeous. I also went to Philadelphia and New York. I met Will Smith in Philadelphia. He was doing a community benefit for local youth recreation centers. New York was so amazing this time around. The sounds were like a symphony of music and colour. I call life my rainbow because that's how I see it through my eyes. Flashes of light, colour and sounds. Oh wow, that year spent living in Nepal with my brother. Such a rich cultural history and it felt so ancient yet so relevant. Then there was the trip to Saint Petersburg, Russia. I love being among the people. One of my favorites was getting lost in Barcelona and staying lost among the locals. I was treated to some amazing food but, oh, soaking in the culture like a sponge was by far the best. People. People just do not realize how amazing and diverse and beautiful we are and can be. I keep getting told I need to write a book on my many adventures. Maybe I'll get around to it one day. I still have far too many adventures to experience first. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 22:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Nepal and Saint Petersburg -- they are on my bucket list. Awesome that you got to experience them! That's sort of the story of my life, traveling makes for the best of me. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Rosiestep I haven't travelled very much over the last few years. I did take my daughter and niece on a road trip, back in 2019, from Fairbanks, Alaska to the place we used to live near Bozeman, Montana. My Papa and Mama used to take us on an annual road trip back. Our trip was over 7,000 miles as we drove through Canada to Montana to Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Idaho and back to Montana before coming back through Canada to Skagway, AK., hopped the ferry to Haines and visited with some friends for a few days before driving back to Fairbanks. I got very sick towards the end, and I had to go to Juneau to be checked out by a doctor there but everything was fine. The boat ride back to Haines was another story. The only available vessel was the ex-husbands fishing trawler. Thats another story for another place more private though (LoL). I enjoyed the trip but it took a lot out of me. I haven't really travelled much since. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
That's a long road trip, Alaska to Montana, plus Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, Idaho! I've done a few of those myself, both in the U.S. and abroad. Sometimes, I like to stay put and sometimes, "If it's Tuesday, it must be Belgium", seems to work just fine. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I did it primarily to encourage my girls (daughter and niece) to spend some time just experiencing independent life. My niece doesn't know it but I had talked to her mum about funding her a trip to Europe before all of this Covid happened. It's been put on delay, obviously, but I really hope to do it eventually. It's hard as a "parent" to let go. My Papa, my actual blood uncle who adopted me, cried when I went on my first trip abroad. He was a very shrewd and business like man but soft and tender. He demanded excellence but also gave us room to make mistakes and didn't punish us harshly when we made them. He would talk the situation through with us using minimum words and more listening. I have never met a man like him in my entire existence. Some come close but none like him. I was his favorite but don't tell my siblings that (LoL). I also acknowledge I was probably not his favorite but needed more attention because I was so wild and free. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
My aunt, whom I call Shahrezad, gets the blame for my travel bug. She taught music to Haile Selassie's kids and grandkids. She would come home to Oklahoma and tell these amazing tales of her travels. She went to every place on the globe--was in China when it was closed, Cuba when US citizens were banned, met cannibals in the Pacific and South America. (Funny thing is she calls my husband and I brave because we travel together, alone. She says she never traveled without a group and security, but to me, she was/is the amazing one.) I had a passport before I could talk. This pandemic has been hard, as it is probably the longest time I've ever stayed in one place without traveling. We never plan more than the coming and going of a trip. As Rosie says, we let it unfold, i.e. somedays we decide to move and others we don't. SusunW (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

For me it was my paternal grandmother. Sometimes we called her Nonna but she was my Bubbe. Her mother escaped Germany with her during WWII. My grandmother was just a baby. I was just a baby when I came to live with them. I think she kind of understood what it was like living without family. She didn't want that for me. So, she became my partner in crime (LoL). So many times she stretched the rules, other times just plainly ignored them, but she got so much enjoyment out of seeing me experience life. My eldest brother suspects it's because she saw her youngest son, my father who committed suicide, living through me. Maybe that's the case but regardless we had a strong bond and I miss her a lot. I believe she lead me to my daughter whom I met the night she passed. She taught me to live the kind of life that I wouldn't believe anyone could live if I didn't live it myself. I've tried to do just that. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 17:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Wilma Elizabeth McDaniel[edit]

Hi Susun. I just read an interesting biography about a woman writer from Oklahoma, Wilma Elizabeth McDaniel, and thought you might enjoy reading it, too. This really touched me, "At age eight, she began to write on scraps of paper, envelopes, and grocery bags, storing them away for later publication." --Rosiestep (talk) 21:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Rosiestep Such a small world. I just flipped over to her bio. Depew is a really, really small place and practically everyone who lives there is related. My great-grandparents lived there. SusunW (talk) 21:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Wow! Small world, indeed. Are you familiar with Greenridge? I couldn't find an article for Greenridge, Oklahoma, so didn't link it, but maybe Greenridge is referring to something/somewhere else? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Rosiestep Never heard of it, but school records are extant. Oilfield country, so it may have been somewhere once but no longer. Lemme see if I can find anything. Searching is easier than typing, because my hands are so cold. SusunW (talk) 21:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Besides the e-mail I sent you, Rosiestep I checked Oklahoma Place Names and I think you are correct that it isn't/wasn't a town, village, etc. Probably the name of a school somewhere, but I checked school names in Chandler, Stroud, Depew and Lela and didn't come up with anything. For kicks and grins, I put in Drumright and got this! Green Ridge School between Depew and Stroud, at R 7 E (top) and 3 (rightside coordinates) in Creek County. (Note all the oilfield dots.) SusunW (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I have found that a lot of these old places that people associated with were actually railroad stations. Sometimes the station was simply named after the operator or a landmark. Even schools popped up around them and took on the name. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 19:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Tru dat, or not even a station, just a stop. In this case, it really helped to know about the area. The towns she lived in were all oilfield towns, so knowing the larger ones was critical for searching. Many of them no longer exist, thus the place names book is invaluable. I looked it up in my personal copy, but found one on line to share with Rosie. SusunW (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Susun. I updated the biography with the info about the school. Note, her biography was created 14.5 years ago by an editor (User talk:Sierradave) who pretty much disappeared thereafter.[1] Now that's too bad. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Requesting your inputs[edit]

@ SusunW,

New year Greetings and hello again.

If you remember one of our previous discussion related to difficulties in including Journal citations, the same day a new issue came before me and to discuss similar thing again immediately would have been tiresome so I waited for a while.

In following section Draft:Avret Esir Pazarları#Partisan coverage of slavery in modern Turkish textbooks I have taken note of a Journal article by Turkish professors 'Avarogullari's, who have mentioned in their article itself that they found their own college students found unaware of slavery in Turkish history, so they did research Turkish school books and wrote the Journal article. When serving professors in Turkey themselves write a critique, in principle as independent editors we may have good faith in those professors (So I believed).

But some user placed a maintenance template {{unreliable|section=yes}} and message on my talk page claiming quoted journal believed to be predatory. Personally I do not see any issue other than article and the journal has not been cited enough by other reputed journals up til now.

I don't know of much about journal but looking at content of research article I don't feel any reason to doubt good faith of researching professors.

As I said earlier there was a case where in Doctors in Pakistan army's hospital came out with a research article or a Pakistani university professors came out with a research article , or Iranian professors came out with a research paper admitting some limitations in own community / country then is it really not possible to give a chance to their points rather than create an information black out just because they did not talk from platform we (WIkipedians) suppose to be standard one?

Rather than deleting content or using template {{unreliable|section=yes}} I have written following alternate template text (by drawing parellel of Template:Current).

{{Notice|Following article content is based on currently available source/[ journal] to present probable state of the status/information. ::Since authors of given source/ journal are critical of state of affairs in own country, present information from cited source/ journal is included, assuming good faith about authors, with presumption to have at least partial measure of reliability. ::Information may be updated as and when new sources corroborating or otherwise becomes available, and initial source/journal may have limitation of lack of corroboration or review or citations from other sources or limited circulation of the journal. ::Please feel free to improve this article or discuss changes on the talk page. }}

For example I am also working on another Draft:Hermeneutics of feminism in Sikhism and there are few more such drafts I am working on. Is it possible to source and retain content by finding such some recourse, because there are many small small communities again rights activists and feminist professors getting standard international platform is not always possible.

Is it possible to try above kind of template as a test case?

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 06:27, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

This is not my area of expertise, but I would simply ask Headbomb who tagged it. Our coverage on the topic includes Predatory publishing and Wikipedia:Vanity and predatory publishing. But a list is maintained and I looked for the journal World Journal of Education and the publisher Sciedu without finding anything. The web provider of the article, ERIC does appear on the list and I vaguely remember a discussion between Headbomb and Megalibrarygirl about the site, but not what the discussion was about. ERIC is a digital library (Mega is a librarian) sponsored by the United States Department of Education, so I am unsure why it would be on the list. But be that as it may, neither the journal nor original publisher appear, thus it seems to me the source is not unreliable, if that is based on who hosted the article. As I told you before peer reviewed is the criteria we are hoping for and this profile indicates that it is. (It also indicates that there are other providers of their content, but most appear to be behind paywalls.) Let's see if Headbomb can provide clarification. SusunW (talk) 15:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
The World Journal of Education is published by Sciedu Press, a well-known predatory publisher. Likewise OAJI is an illegitimate site giving fake impact factors, and is garbage. That things are hosted on ERIC does not change anything about the origin of the scholarship being predatory (see also Wikipedia:Vanity and predatory publishing#Use in the real world vs use on Wikipedia, which is of relevance here). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I'll take the opportunity to plug in WP:UPSD as a very useful script here, and it will highly both doi:10.5430/wje.v8n6p82 and the above OAJI link as problematic. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your input Headbomb I am curious why neither are on the WP lists I highlighted above? We certainly cannot expect editors here to know the back story on every journal in publication, so the script is very useful. Thanks. Bookku, I'd recommend installing the script. SusunW (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
If you mean why neither are on WP:JCW/W17 and WP:JCW/E24, the short answer is that neither |journal=ERIC nor |journal=World Journal of Education were used in the mainspace as of the last WP:DUMP (i.e. 1 January 2021). For ERIC, that's normal and good, since it's not a journal. For World Journal of Education, that's also normal and good, since it's not a legitimate journal. Likewise if you restrict yourself to the WP:CITEWATCH subsection of WP:JCW. Both the general WP:JCW compilation, and the WP:CITEWATCH-subcompilation will only pick up things that are in the mainspace as of the last dump. If things aren't cited, they aren't picked up. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:21, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Headbomb, I have the script installed that you told me about so I can see the highlights. I don't remember the name of the script. Can you add it here for Bookku and SusunW to look at? With ERIC I double check the stuff it has indexed now. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Megalibrarygirl: See WP:UPSD linked above. Or here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thanks Megalibrarygirl for the input. He gave the installation link above and I installed it. SusunW (talk) 18:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Headbomb Thank you!!! I have found the script really useful. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Cabin fever[edit]

It's one of those weeks and its showing. We had a storm pass through earlier in the week and the snow is built up so high in the valley we had to dig our way out of the house just to check on the dog's, Jack and my brother's family. Everyone is safe but I've been stuck in the house unable to go out for almost five days now. It's -19f, right now at mid day, so yeah, it's that time of the year I looooooooove the most. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Tsistunagiska, I feel you. Still cold here but warmer than yesterday. 25C/77F, so at least my brain is able to function. My hands and feet still feel like ice cubes, but if I can hold out until Tuesday, it's supposed to get into the 30C/80Fs. I cannot wait. SusunW (talk) 20:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I just want to go outside and see the light. Most of my windows are covered by snow (LoL). --ARoseWolf (Talk) 20:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Come visit. I have tons of light and you will probably think it is toasty in comparison. SusunW (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
You should definitely not tempt me like that (LoL). I'm packing now!! --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Front part of the house has a separate suite with a bed/bath, so you can quarantine for 2 weeks in comfort. LOL SusunW (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
OMG!!! I'm on my way and bringing my bathing suit, though I'm a bit more modest than some. I'll wear a shaw with it. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 21:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The gulf is about 15 minutes away by taxi or I am sure we can find a pool. No natives will be swimming in their pools now, far too cold for us. SusunW (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Katherine Loker[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 16 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Katherine Loker, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Katherine Loker donated $30 million each to Harvard and USC, and millions more to develop university, medical, and cultural programs in California? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Katherine Loker. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Katherine Loker), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)