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Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award

Featured list candidates/Laureus Lifetime Achievement Award/archive1

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 19:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Short and sweet this one. Another Laureus World Sports Awards effort, this one a discretionary award irregularly awarded to big-hitters in the world of sport. Imagine my surprise when I saw Brits had more of these than anyone else... Yes, I know I have a couple of FLCs running, one has seven supports, the other three, so and since this one is different enough from those two, I reckon it'll all be okay!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BeatlesLedTV

Center the dashes in the image column.
There's only 1 ref per year so retitle ref column "Ref.". The extra (s) is unnecessary.

Other than that everything looks good to me. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 15:59, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BeatlesLedTV thanks, addressed those. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support – All good for me. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 15:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Ianblair23 (talk) 23:09, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

:Hi TRM, please find my comments below:

Lead

Peter Blake, the New Zealand yachtsman link Sailing (sport)
was shot dead by pirates on the Amazon River link Amazon River
Arne Næss Jr., the Norwegian mountaineer link Mountaineering
No award was presented at the 2017 Laureus Awards ceremony add ref 27 after this sentence

Table

Change Yachting to Sailing (sport)
Could you change the sorting so the "no award" appear at the bottom rather than the top.

References

Ref 2 – link Ian Snook, add newspaper = Taranaki Daily News, via = stuff.co.nz
Ref 5 – link CNN
Ref 7 – link BBC Sport
Ref 8 – link The Guardian
Ref 9 – link The Hindu
Ref 10 – link Lulu (company)
Ref 11 – link The Daily Telegraph
Ref 13 – link ABC News (Australia)
Ref 18 – link International Association of Athletics Federations
Ref 21 – link Reuters
Ref 26 – link ESPN

Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 10:57, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ianblair23 Ian, thanks, I've done them all, let me know if there's anything else. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Love your work TRM, at this rate we will knock the entire series by the end of the month! Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 23:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments~~ Support by JennyOz

Infobox - hmmm, does it matter that Location="Monaco 2017" when they didn't present this particular category in 2017?
"... at the annual awards ceremony held in various locations ..." an annual
"Footballers have received more awards than any other with..." - any other sport?
"... Bobby Charlton (2011)..." - 2012
..."Sebastian Coe (2012))." - 2013
"...died in a climbing accident in South Africa a month before the 2012 ceremony - 2004

he died in January, thehindu says awards ceremony Lisbon 11 May - so 4 months before?

"Indicates individual whose award was presented posthumously - sounds iffy, presented to who? (yeah, I know the Laureus site uses 'presented'). 'Indicates individual whose award was posthumous or 'Indicates posthumous award'
Template matches table.

I haven't looked at table yet. Will do when Ian answers you. Regards, JennyOz (talk) 12:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz Hi Jenny, all done, thanks as always, look forward to your subsequent remarks. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Crikeys, you're quick! All above is now fine. Thanks. JennyOz (talk) 12:34, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to keep my tip-top review crew waiting...! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:48, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

recent prose change - you swapped "seven constituent awards" for "two discretionary awards" which has introduced repetition with "it is one of a number of discretionary awards" further on in lede. And..., there are now at least three discretionary awards - "The Academy also has the power to present Discretionary Awards such as Lifetime Achievement, Spirit of Sport and Exceptional Achievement." per last sentence of existing ref. I would humbly suggest simply swapping the newly added "two discretionary" to 'inaugural'.
Table and refs - All table columns info, sorting and refs now checked.

My only minor comment is that the 2006 Johan Cruyff BBC ref support is only in a caption. Poss alts here or here.

Not related to my support but would it be possible to add the pic of part statuette into the infobox of each of these articles - i.e., the 5th image on this page? - or even the logo top left same page? (Or only fair use on the umbrella page Laureus World Sports Awards? Sorry to ask but I've had no experience with images yet.)

That's it. JennyOz (talk) 08:30, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz Hi Jenny, thanks again. I addressed your first points, only the statuette one left. I think since the statuette seems to be the same across all awards, it's most likely fair use would only apply at the main awards page, and that's an article which needs a lot of work (it's on my list). So it's definitely a good idea, but I don't think it applies on these sub-articles. Thanks for all your diligence, let me know if there's anything else for me to tweak. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All done, another fine job! Happy to sign support. JennyOz (talk) 11:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Although the Laureus Awards ceremony is held annually, the Lifetime Achievement Award is not necessarily presented every time; it is one of a number of discretionary awards that can be given by the Laureus World Sports Academy. The award is considered highly prestigious and is frequently referred to as the sporting equivalent of an "Oscar".

The second sentence, by referring to "The award", implies that the Lifetime Achievement Award in particular is what is prestigious, rather than the Laureus Awards in general. Better as The awards are considered highly prestigious and are frequently referred to as the "Oscars of Sports"., which also better matches the source.

Tweaked somewhat. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Meh.

Footballers have received more awards than any other sports with five, while only Great Britain has multiple winners with three (Steve Redgrave (2001), Bobby Charlton (2012) and Sebastian Coe (2013)).

There should be commas ahead of both uses of the word with. Why are all in the latter group mentioned here but not those in the former? Might as well just leave them in the table.

Colon added. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It was correct already; if you add a colon the parentheses are no longer needed. My question is why are the footballers not mentioned when the British winners are? Include both set of people or neither. Football and Great Britain are also not contrasting groups so "and" would be more appropriate than "while". Reywas92^Talk 23:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks and reads fine to me as it stands, cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you edited it to your preference. Anything else to do here? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right, my preference is that the grammar is accurate. I see no other issues besides Oscars. Reywas92^Talk 19:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well since the Academy Awards page itself refers to the Oscars in such a way, and since numerous other editors have not indicated that they have any issue with it as it stands, and since I have no issue with it as it stands, then it'll stand. If that means you oppose, so be it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It reads more naturally to write "The New Zealand yachtsman Peter Blake..." like in the paragraph's final sentence. rather than putting it as a non-restrictive appositive. The current suggests that they had been discussed previously. Reywas92^Talk 22:51, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Being anal, I guess you meant to add a space before Peter. Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All done Reywas92, thanks. Let me know if there's anything else! Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

"a global organisation involved in more than 150 charity projects affecting 500,000 young people." "affecting" does not sound right to me. How about "a global organisation supporting more than 150 charity projects involving 500,000 young people."
I can't find anything else to quibble about. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dudley Miles thanks, I've adjusted that (I think that was the phrase the Laureus Foundation used) and will roll out the change across all the other Laureus lists for consistency. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. A first rate list. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:18, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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