Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Madonna filmography/archive1

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Madonna filmography

Featured list candidates/Madonna filmography/archive1

Nominator(s): Bluesatellite (talk) 04:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets FL requirements. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the lead, "She had campaigned for the role for nearly ten years and, in December 1994, she wrote a four-page, handwritten letter to director Alan Parker explaining that she would be perfect to play the role." would read better as just "She had campaigned for the role for nearly ten years. In December 1994, she hand-wrote a four-page letter to director Alan Parker explaining how she would be perfect for the role."

Implemented. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Try merging the years into one bit for films, so for example it looks something like this:

Title	Year
Vision Quest	1985
Desperately Seeking Susan	1985

This is discouraged per WP:FILMOGRAPHY, "Please avoid rowspan as it is a significant accessibility issue—as you can hear at User:RexxS/Accessibility", and it does cause problems with the sorting. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, never mind. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Include an overall rating average from critics (i.e. Rotten Tomatoes scoring) for each film in "feature films", "short films", and "theatrical plays" where available

I went up to random filmographies and could not see this being present. Have you seen this in any other filmography or is this a personal preference? The critical part is said in the lead itself and including another column just to repeat it seems redundant. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of specific average ratings (i.e. 36% approval ratings), but it was just a suggestion. Don't have to do it if you don't want. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:56, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In "Television" section, just link Saturday Night Live once and merge the appearances/creator(s) to have something like this:

Title	Year	Creator(s)
Saturday Night Live	1985	Lorne Michaels
Saturday Night Live	1986	Lorne Michaels

The comment about rowspan is same as above, and about the overlink, if you scroll over you can see that each of these links are for different seasons not the same one. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:54, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After this, you have my support! XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to both of you for looking up to the article. Really appreciated! Bluesatellite (talk) 06:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from - KRIMUK90 ✉ 06:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

;Prose

" Its commercial release in 1985 coincided with the success of her second studio album, Like a Virgin, and Madonna tried to prevent it" I am sorry, but I don't really understand why the "tried to prevent it" part is notable.
- Alright, removed. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"It was followed with a leading role in the adventure drama, Shanghai Surprise (1986), with her then-husband Sean Penn. " How about "She followed it with a leading role in..."?
- Done. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"..and her contract was cancelled". Contract with PepsiCo you mean?
- Sure. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No in-line citation provided for Swept Away being a failure.
- Box Office Mojo, AllMovie rating, and five Razzie wins citations are more than enough to verify this. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure it is. But it will be good to have an in-line citation for that particular sentence.-- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added Morton citation. Bluesatellite (talk) 05:29, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence "The remake of an Italian film by Lina Wertmüller in 1975 was the first big screen collaboration between Madonna..." is a bit awkward as it took me some time to realise that you are still talking about Swept Away. You can change it to "The film was a remake of an Italian film..." Also, no Wikipedia article on the 1975 film?
- Rewritten and linked to its original film. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wikilink Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Actress.
- It's already linked in the first paragraph (Who's That Girl?). It would be WP:OVERLINK for the third paragraph. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my bad!-- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The last paragraph has only one in-line citation. Please provide citations for the two quotes made in this para.
- Done. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure on how relevant the quote "Madonna puts a brave face on the criticism, but privately she is deeply hurt" is for a filmography list. I think this is more suitable for her biography page. The comment from the Time critic should be enough for an overview on her acting career.
- Removed the Morton's comments. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tables

Sort the names of the films to avoid sorting by "a" and "the".
- Done. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please sort her character names by their last name.
- Done. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sort the names of the directors by their last name.
- Done. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The box office figures seem a bit redundant if we don't know the budget of the film.
- It's not redundant at all. If Discography articles have sales/certifications, so it's normal for a Filmography to have box office sales. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The figures aren't redundant at all. I was saying that it would be good to include the budget of the film. Anyway, just a suggestion. This isn't a major cause of concern for me. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sort names and titles in a similar manner for the rest of the tables.
- Done. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In the "commercials" section, why is the internet mentioned under the region column?
- Because it's not published on television, but internet (which is nation borderless). Or any suggestion? Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

*There is a slight discrepancy in the formatting of refs here. The Slant Mag source is not in italics. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 07:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Krimuk90, I am going through your comments one by one and address them. For you last point, Slant Magazine is an online source and per MOS I think it should not be italicized. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 07:17, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk90: I have adressed every point of your review. Thanks Bluesatellite (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Nice list! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 06:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from - AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 04:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AB01

She also received positive reception for her role in A League of Their Own --> I think it should be "a positive reception"
- Changed to "positive reviews"
"Her subsequent films only saw Madonna as a minor character..." --> try "Her subsequent films saw Madonna in smaller roles..." OR "Her subsequent films saw Madonna in less prominent roles..."
- Rewritten
The bit on Swept Away sounds a bit weird --> try "In 2002, Madonna had her first big screen collaboration with her then-husband Guy Ritchie in Swept Away. The film, which was a remake of Lina Wertmüller's Italian film of the same name, emerged as a commercial and critical failure." [and also link to the original film]
- Done
"Madonna's film career has been largely received negatively by the film critic community." --> 2 adverbs together sound strange; try "Madonna's film career has attracted a largely negative reception by the film critic community."
- Done
You could leave out the comment from Andrew Morton in the last paragraph. One comment seems enough.
- Done, per above review.
Maybe you could centre the refs too (style="text-align: center;")
- Done

You guys have done pretty well on this article, so these are the only comments I can think of. Good luck :D AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 09:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@AB01: Adress them all. Thanks for the review :) Bluesatellite (talk) 03:14, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Nice list! And good luck once again :-) AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 04:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Krimuk90 and AB01, appreciate your diligent comments and the list is improved now. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 07:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Status (talk · contribs) 23:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*I'd like to see a bit more variety instead of always starting sentences in the lead with "In (year)". For example, with these two sentences: In 1986, she made her theatrical debut in David Rabe's Goose and Tom-Tom and her first commercial for Mitsubishi in Japan.[7][8] In 1989, she starred in the commercial for Pepsi-Cola alongside her song "Like a Prayer." (the period should also be outside of the quotation marks).

- Alternated
Later that year, she starred in Dangerous Game. Considered nihilistic and violent, it had an extremely limited release in New York and Los Angeles. Madonna did however, receive good reviews. → Should combine these sentences in some way. The first one and the last one are too short.
- Combined the first and last sentence.
Her subsequent films only saw Madonna in smaller roles → Her subsequent films saw Madonna take on smaller roles
- Done
She had campaigned for the role for nearly ten years. In December 1994, she wrote a four-page, handwritten letter to director Alan Parker explaining that she would be perfect to play the role. → Nice information, but I don't see how it's relevant in the entire scope of her film career.
- Alright, removed.

— Status (talk · contribs) 23:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Status: Adress them all, thanks for reviewing the article. Bluesatellite (talk) 02:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good to me! Happy to support. Great job! — Status (talk · contribs) 02:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it's really weird that music videos aren't mentioned at all, especially given that commercials have their own table. If they are dealt with in another article, you should have a note at the top, "for a list of her music videos, see this".—indopug (talk) 05:16, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Indopug:, the article Madonna videography covers this and I will add the hatnote as suggested. Thanks. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 18:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats to both Bluesatellite and IndianBio! XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 21:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you... Cheers! :D Bluesatellite (talk) 23:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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