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July 15[edit]

I created Rayman School[edit]

Hi I am new to this and I had created Rayman School and also wrote a short article (yet to complete more) but when I do a search its states it is not found.

But when I log in to my user name it can be found.

How can I have my articles shown on wikipedia search?

Thank you Eunice Wong — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

It appears that there is a User:Rayman School and that the user page is in the form of an article about the school. However, you are presently logged on as an unregistered user. Did you, Eunice Wong, also create a user account named Rayman School, or did you create the article in Articles for Creation? If the latter, it is still waiting for review. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
To follow up on what Robert said, see WP:USERPAGE for an explanation on just what that is/means. As for the article, there will need to be significant improvement in the grammar and spelling. You will also need to show that the school is notable enough to have an article here by using reliable sources for the information contained in the article. Dismas|(talk) 02:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
User page deleted and user name blocked as a shared/org name.--ukexpat (talk) 14:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Alt text problem[edit]

Hello, I seem to have had this problem for some time. I assumed it was some kind of syntax change on Wikipedia but apparently not. I do not get alt text when I hover over a thumbed picture. I do on other pictures though. I thought maybe the programming had changed for the pictures, but this time I looked up WP:ALT text guide, and it shows how to make a Napoleon pic with alt text, but my text was the same as this, and when I mouse over Napoleon I don't get the alt text, even on the WP tutorial, so, one of these things is not like the other. Windows 7 64 bit. Quad Phenom 9650. Nvidia m-m 7050. GeForce GT 630. Auto updates on. Usually get all the drivers updated. Does my system have an issue with Wikipedia? Can I fix it? It's a minor one, but if you fix all the minor stuff you get the major performance, can help the next person so if it rings a bell please tell. Otherwise not much of an issue. Ah, a related matter is, my settings are stuck permanently on monobook no matter what I do with it. Is this related? ~ R.T.G 02:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I think the appearance of the hover text is controlled by your browser. What browser are you using? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
It's IE 10 updates automatically. ~ R.T.G 01:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
If I am understanding WP:ALT correctly, alt text is not the same as hover text. WP:ALT says "The alt parameter text ("Painting of Napoleon Bonaparte") is not normally visible to readers but may be displayed by web browsers when images are switched off, is read out loud by screen readers for those with visual impairment, and can be used by search engines to determine the content of the image."
Also, thumbed images do not normally seem to display hover text. For example, none of the images at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Thumbnails displays any hovertext for me, except the Helsinki panorama. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:24, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Well I am just about certain that alt text used to appear on hover over... ~ R.T.G 19:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Cerebral Edema[edit]

₭ How in cerebral edema capillary pressure increase whereas on other side cerebarl vessels dilate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Symbol move vote.svg This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. RudolfRed (talk) 06:23, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Extra space after template[edit]

I recently created a template, as can be seen here: [1] When I added it to a page, there is an extra blank line after the end of the template, as can be seen at the bottom of this page [2]. How do I fix this? David O. Johnson (talk) 06:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I think I just fixed it. Dismas|(talk) 06:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

That worked. Thank you.David O. Johnson (talk) 06:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Copyright tag[edit]

I want to upload an Australian image that is PD in Australia and has not been published in the US. What copyright tag do I use?

Sardaka (talk) 07:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Right, this gets complicated. It seems that as long as it was in the public domain in the Australia on January 1, 1996, it is in the public domain in the U.S., so a {{PD-Australia}} will do. However, as long as the author released it into the PD, then {{PD-Self}}. Will be ok (If either of these exist, it should be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons. If not, then Fair use should be used. Mdann52 (talk) 12:42, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
We would need to know when this was first published. For Wikipedias purposes, the copyright status in the United States is what matters. In Australia, it enters the public domain 50 year after the death of the author, if it was published before 2004. In the US, the work enters the public domain 95 years after publication. For unpublished works, the copyright expires 120 years after creation, but I don't know whether US copyright law only considers publication in the US publication for that matter or not. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 12:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

How to protect Wikipedia from those, who delete useful information only because it is not referenced, and insist on that deletions?[edit]

How to protect Wikipedia from those, who delete useful information only because it is not referenced, and insist on that deletions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadim Kiev (talkcontribs) 08:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, WP:BLP says "Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." (emphasis not mine)
So, depending on the subject, they have every right to remove info without sources. Dismas|(talk) 08:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
For context, this appears to be related to an edit war at Dacha. Gandalf61 (talk) 08:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I don’t think that was a war. And my question is more general - there are type of bastards that make Wikipedia worse, regularly deleting useful and interesting information only because it is not referenced, some of them delete much more then write, and there should be means to protect Wikipedia from such destroying activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadim Kiev (talkcontribs) 09:56, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The onus is on the person adding the material to cite their sources when they edit the article. If they do not, then they should not complain when it is removed. Arjayay (talk) 10:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Without references, Wikipedia is nothing. HiLo48 (talk) 10:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
It's a war if you're going back and forth between two revisions more than 3 times. Also, such efforts are very useful in ensuring we are an accurate, non-bias encyclopaedia, and not subject to libel lawsuits or other legal issues. Editors should understand that any information added to an article must be cited, and you should expect information not backed up by a source to be removed. Before continuing, I suggest you read more about why we cite references.  drewmunn  talk  10:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
At Dacha, you accused your opponent of vandalism – but it was not vandalism, he explained why he was deleting it, the material you added was unreferenced. You could resolve the problem by supplying references. What you added was indeed (in my view) useful information, and you appear familiar with the topic, so you ought to be able to find references somewhere; it will be ok if they are in Russian. But falsely accusing people of vandalism, and calling them bastards, will not win you any friends here. Maproom (talk) 10:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Creating a new article[edit]

Hi, I just created a new article using the Article Wizard (title: Global e-Sustainability Initiative (GeSI)) and I pressed save page but then nothing seemed to happen/there was no submit option? When I look at my watchlist and contributions pages in my profile I can't find the page. Does it exist and is now waiting for approval? Or do I need to create a new page? Many thanks for your help. Cheers, Alice Global e-Sustainability Initiative — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeSIGeSI (talkcontribs) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

There is an old draft at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/GeSI, but I cannot find the one you created.--ukexpat (talk) 13:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Notable people in articles about US cities[edit]

When I add a name to the "Notable people" list for a US city, I follow the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline, which states that "any famous or notable individuals" who were born or lived there may be added. It doesn't define what "famous" means, and it doesn't say these people must have a Wiki article about them in order to be included.

I recently found myself in an edit war after adding Debra Goodwin to the list of notable people from Austin, Minnesota. Ms. Goodwin represented Minnesota in the 1981 Miss America pageant, and her name is listed at Miss America 1981. Another editor insisted on removing her name from Austin's notable people list (and threatened to report me if I undid the edit!) That editor told me I cannot add "the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries." Ms. Goodwin really isn't notable enough to have her own Wiki biography, but I do feel her one-hit-achievement elevated her to inclusion as a notable person from Austin. And remember, this is an article about Austin.

Many small towns have unique individuals who gained local fame. While not deserving of their own Wiki biography, I feel they are worth mentioning in the Wiki article about the town they are from. Is the threshold for "fame" really an approved Wiki biography?

The opinion of others would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Richard Apple (talk) 12:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The standing rule is that if the person is not notable enough for an article in Wikipedia (that's what was meant by "any famous or notable individuals"), they should not be added to such lists. Otherwise, the lists would be cluttered with non-notables. --[[User:|Orange Mike]] | Talk 13:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Most relevant here is Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Lists of people, which specifies that individuals may be included in such lists of notables as long as the person has an article and reliable sources establishing membership in the list. Lists like these are often cluttered with unsourced individuals, and the inclusion of non-notables only compounds the problem. WP:LISTPEOPLE does provide an exception for peopel who would meet WP:BLP1E, for whom sources establishing notabilty and a connection to the list would suffice, but it's not clear that this would apply in the case in question. Alansohn (talk) 16:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Ok, so both Orangemike and Alansohn agree that only those individuals who have a Wiki article can be included on a city's list of notable people. I ask this because I've come across many articles about cities which have non-notable people listed on their Wiki page. For example, Eddy Rolon is listed on the Rutherford, New Jersey page, as is Elmer Engstrom from Haddonfield, New Jersey, or Raymond Hughes (conductor) from Thomasville, Georgia. I'll go ahead and delete these names when I get a moment. Thanks again! Richard Apple (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you; please do so, as it's a perpetual problem for geographical articles. There's also the "Joe's Bar is world-famous all over the greater Tinytownvilleton area, so of course there should be a shout-out for them in the article on Tinyvilleton!" syndrome. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Now do I request adding the Metal band "Mortal Fear" from Toronto CA into the Wikipedia database?[edit]

How do I include Mortal Fear ( Toronto Canada ) into the wikipedia data base. 80's metal band reunited in 2012. Released CD Jan 2013 & had the #1 Metal album in Canada — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pturrer (talkcontribs) 13:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

There is the article wizard at WP:WIZ but please make sure they are notable per WP:BAND first. Dismas|(talk) 13:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

How to view the latest pending revision of pending change protected pages as an unregistered or logged-out user?[edit]

Czech is Cyrillized (talk) 14:36, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Logged out users cannot see pending revisions, i.e. those not having been accepted by a reviewer. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 14:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
They don't see them by default but they are able to see them. Click the magnify icon [3] in the upper right corner to get a diff link. Or click the "View history" tab and then the most recent revision. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Mhm, okay. Thanks for the clarification. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Dav Pilkey[edit]

How do you correct incorrect information regarding dates and relocating? (talk) 15:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey

You seem to be referring to the article Dav Pilkey, where I see you removed some sourced info here. You would need to provide reliable sources to correct this information per WP:BURDEN. Otherwise this information shouldn't be in the article. is not what Wikipedia considers a reliable source. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 15:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Comment: I'm confused. The famousauthors site doesn't appear to be an RS, so info exclusively sourced to that should be removed. But the info that's cited to a book- is that or isn't that RS? Looks like Dav removed one thing correctly (removing badly cited content) and one thing incorrectly (removing well-cited content). I'm partially restoring. Unless there's something I missed. --R.S. Peale (talk) 20:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Changes Please[edit]

Dear Wikipedia People,

I just want to say something. Well, I was looking up the TV series "Whodunnit?" on your search bar. I went to where the characters are listed. You listed them in order, from top to bottom, on who gets eliminated (murdered). So in result, if anyone were to check, you are telling them who is leaving. Isn't the point of the show to be surprised? I don't want to sound rude, but you are ruining it for some people, especially me, because now I might know who the killer is and I didn't want to know until the end of the series. So, what I'm saying is, please put those kind of things in a random order. That's all I ask. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:29, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, per WP:SPOILER, we don't censor or work around facts to omit information because it may be considered a spoiler. It's up to our readers not to read articles on subjects they don't want to know all the information about.  drewmunn  talk  15:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Adding to what Drewmunn said, while suspense might be the point of a dramatic series, the point of Wikipedia is to be an encyclopedic reference. Wikipedia does not issue spoiler alerts or warnings, either. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

how to change my display name[edit]

I am vatshala here, i mistakenly typed the article"s title after my name, so it appears vatshala/prakashdas K.Ramadas. how to edit it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vatshala (talkcontribs) 16:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Your username is "Vatshala", not "vatshala/prakashdas K.Ramadas". Your user page includes that text, but you can edit that at any time by clicking on the edit option on the top right of that page.  drewmunn  talk  16:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
At your request, it's been moved to Prakashdas K. Ramadas. There is very little there to establish any kind of notability; you will need to improve it considerably. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

How do I fix a web page about me?[edit]

I'm writing about this web page:Nicole King

The page was written by LQuilter and currently has a disclaimer that it "promotes the subject in a subjective manner." I've gone through the profile and tried to delete all promotional verbiage, and also corrected some inaccuracies. Is there something else I need to do to have the disclaimer removed?

Thanks for your help.

Nicole— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

The template message has been removed.--ukexpat (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Edits by editors with a clear WP:Conflict of Interest are normally discouraged. Direct edits by the article's subject are normally STRONGLY DISCOURAGED, as it's usually a matter of removing embarrassing information or adding promotional text. You did neither. Your edits improved the article and "fixed" the major outstanding problems. Further, you identified a minor outstanding problem (peacock tag) and recognized that you couldn't remove it yourself.
Excellent. Thank you for your contributions, and for setting a good example.--R.S. Peale (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Da'Ville Thomas Page[edit]

To Whom It May Concern,

My name is Orville Thomas aka Da'Ville. I am writing to you in regards to the page about me on Facebook that is derived from the wikipedia page about me. I would like for the facebook page to be removed or turned over to my control. It is taking away from my interacting with my fans. If you look at my official facebook page my fan count is very low, then have a look at the wikipedia page, it is significantly high.

Please, remove the page or turn over control to me.

Thank you!

O.Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I presume you're referring to our page Da'Ville. Wikipedia and Facebook are completely separate entities. Facebook and other websites regularly copy information from here, but that's nothing to do with Wikipedia. In this case you should contact Facebook directly. Valenciano (talk) 18:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Non delivery of my parcel booked from India to USA[edit]

Bold text Sir,

I have sent a parcel having marriage cards from India Post to my son at USA on6th July,2013 but till date not delivered.

Dispatched from India Post office [details removed] enquired about the ware about of the parcel.


M.k.gandhi from India — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Dismas|(talk) 18:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I have removed various addresses and phone numbers from your message to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Images in Wiki Article[edit]

HI I created a new article on Blake Colburn Wilbur on Wikipedia. I uploaded a photo of him from my family collection however, the Stanford Medical Library had the same photo on Flickr and put it up in 2011. (So I deleted the family owned version.) commons:User talk:WilburGen

I could ask the Stanford reference librarian for the ok to use it. But it looks like Stanford made it available to share, so I uploaded it to Wikimedia Commons. File:Blake Colburn Wilbur (1901-1974).jpg

Now I can’t seem to figure out how to bring the image in to Wikipedia – or maybe they are not posting it until Wikimedia approves it? Blake Colburn Wilbur

Please help! Thank you!

Wilbur Gen — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilburGen (talkcontribs) 19:31, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I corrected the wiki-markup used to place the image. However, I notice that the image sourced from Flickr was missing licensing information. Maybe you could add that to the image on Commons (I fear that without it, the image could be subject to deletion). If it really did come from the Stanford Medical Library, perhaps they should be credited (perhaps with a URL), rather then Flickr.
I also notice a few other things about the article. Take a look at some other biographical articles to see the house style. Astronaut (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Images on Commons are automatically available on all Wikimedia projects, including the English Wikipedia. You can use the image in an article with the following code:
[[File:Blake Colburn Wilbur (1901-1974).jpg]]
You can also control the size used when displaying the image in an article by using the image size parameter:
[[File:Blake Colburn Wilbur (1901-1974).jpg|250px]]
Other parameters are listed as follows:
[[File:Blake Colburn Wilbur (1901-1974).jpg|250px|thumb|right|This is an annotation]]
The thumb parameter creates a frame around the image and is mandatory if you want to provide an annotation below the image. See also Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for more information. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 19:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

How to make article edit also changed on google search page under the title[edit]

Can you please tell me how an article revision can also show up on the google search page under the title. Exact title is "Bob Adams (1920s pitcher)". I changed his middle name from Burdette to Burnette; however, on the google search page under the title, it still reads Burdette. Thank you. Wbabr (talk) 19:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

That's up to Google and has nothing to do with Wikipedia. That said, Google is usually pretty quick about these things. "Quick" meaning on the order of a few days. Dismas|(talk) 19:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I have showed the simple difference between electric and magnetic field[edit]

My question is that... Why are u deleting my article? Because, I have showed the simple difference between electric and magnetic field... and this is only because .. of easy aproach for public... I am saying this because , I myself had to find the answers , But i cant .. Because there are none,, SO, i've given one. Because, It would Be much easier for Students to get to know science. And, IF you notice, it would Be very Helpful. A short and fast access , easy to understand, the Basic Difference between the production of Electric and magnetic forces. So, HOw Can I, Save my article from deletion???... Please Help.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Love u science (talkcontribs) 20:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

It's helpful for you to tell us what article you're referring to. I'm going to assume you mean Difference between electric and magnetic field(creation). A reason has been provided in the template at the top of the page. Your article also has no references, and is comprised of original research. It also appears to be written almost entirely in gibberish. Fixing those issues might be a good start. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Original research has a stricter meaning in Wikipedia than is sometimes used. What the article states is consistent with sourced material, which the article does not recognize, but presents it in its own way, which is original research in the Wikipedia sense. The issues are that the article has no references, consists of original research in the Wikipedia sense (which does violate policy), and the article is poorly written. Those are reasons to delete it. The author might consider copying the article to user space before it is deleted if they want to work on it, because it is likely to be deleted sooner than it can be fixed. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:31, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

No Image Available[edit]

If there is something that has no image, and it's for a generic use, what file would the wiki use? Cool12309 (talk) 23:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Please clarify what you mean and give an example of the situation. If you are talking about how to request an image then see Wikipedia:Requested pictures. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
It is for an infobox for a small item (items such as in WoW), that is usually no bigger than 50x50. Cool12309 (talk) 23:19, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Most videogames and toys are copyrighted. has the details. We do use 'fair use' copyrighted images here but they are small and hard to justify inclusion.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
If there is no available image for an infobox then we usually don't display any image at all. We generally don't display a placeholder image if that is what you mean by "what file would the wiki use?" See Category:Wikipedia image placeholders and Wikipedia:Image placeholders. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)