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September 30

Dalit hindu rape victim

I was trying to remember the name of that Dalit/lower caste Hindu rape victim who was from a movie (not in English). She became a MP and was assassinated over legal case. What was her name? Maybe she was Buddhist since she was from near Nepal. Sportsnut24 (talk) 00:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phoolan Devi? (She was the top search result when I put "india bandit queen" into Google...) -- AnonMoos (talk) 03:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sounds right. Thanks.Sportsnut24 (talk) 12:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Business terms relating to surprise album

I'm uncertain whether business terms product marketing, loyalty marketing, and word-of-mouth marketing are related to surprise album. Regardless, I'm seeking business terms relating to a surprise album, which has little or no prior announcement, marketing or promotion. George Ho (talk) 03:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance with interpreting scope and manner of a UN event

Hello, I see new draft at Wikinews, sister of Wikipedia, about a ceasefire call: n:France, US push for 21-day Hezbollah-Israel ceasefire in Lebanon. I have difficulty understanding structure of the UN organisation or its events. Please view the talk page of the article and assist at your earliest convenience? Thank you in advance. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 06:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You will need to take that up with Wikinews. We can only help you here with Wikipedia issues. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as Wikinews is created by contributors, I think for practical purposes this person is Wikinews. Card Zero (talk) 12:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can help with research needed to answer questions arising anywhere, including at other Wikimedia projects. --Lambiam 12:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BBC News item: US and allies call for 21-day ceasefire ... "The 12-strong bloc proposed an immediate 21-day pause in fighting" ... "The joint statement was signed" ... "It followed a meeting of world leaders at the UN General Assembly in New York". Card Zero (talk) 12:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I appreciate the lookup. It was a Statement signed, yes. How and where was it delivered to the Israel and Hezbollah representatives? Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 13:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. The article has various hints, such as "the US is negotiating with Lebanon’s government - rather than Hezbollah." I gather you're interested in the "Official responses are expected within hours" part? Card Zero (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was unable to find anything specific about any presentation to the Israelis, but the statement was drafted and signed at the UN General Assembly, so I imagine that the easiest method would be to hand it to the Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations. Alansplodge (talk) 14:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that Benjamin Netanyahu was present at the UN at the time, so the proposal could have easily been handed over to him. Xuxl (talk) 18:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use of fish killed by depth charges

this is kind of a weird one, but during the WWII Battle of the Atlantic, are there any known instances of navy sailors collecting and eating some or all of the fish that were killed by depth charges they dropped?

TheAbigail (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Members of the crew of HMAS Doomba with fish taken on board killed or stunned after a depth charge attack.

Members of the crew of HMAS Doomba with fish taken on board killed or stunned after a depth charge attack. HMAS Doomba in her role as escort and anti-submarine vessel would sweep the harbour approaches with her ASDIC before escorting a convoy to sea and attack any threatening ASDIC returns with depth charges.

Note that once at sea with a convoy, stopping for any reason would leave an escort vessel vulnerable to attack and the convoy's merchant ships unescorted. From 1941, there were convoy rescue ships which saved escorts from having to stop to pick up survivors, so I imagine that stopping to catch stunned fish would be highly unlikely. Alansplodge (talk) 13:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parents' Sabbath?

Why was a Russian Orthodox Hymn at Queen Elizabeth II’s Funeral? about the Kontakion of the Departed says that it is sung in Russian Orthodox churches on "Parents’ Sabbath, a day of special remembrance for Orthodox Christians who have died". Is there a Russian Wikipedia article that relates to this. A Google search didn't find much. Alansplodge (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The search term "Кондак усопших" does not turn up any results from the Russian Wikipedia. The kontakion is mentioned in this Russian news article on the funeral service for Prince Philip, which also provides an answer to the "why" question — allegedly because Philip wanted to emphasize his kinship with the Romanovs. The Russian term for Parents’ Sabbath is Родительская суббота, which is more adequately translated as "Parental Saturday", of which there are several in any given year. The Russian Wikipedia has an article on Parental Saturdays, which is skimpy on the liturgy and does not mention any songs. --Lambiam 06:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, many thanks for your work. I'll put in a link to that article. The Kontakion of the Departed has a long history in British royal funerals, and I suspect it might have been used even if Philip hadn't had Orthodox roots (his mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg, was an Orthodox nun; I think the Romanov link is rather tenuous but useful to Russian nationalists). Alansplodge (talk) 13:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In another Russian link, the Sebastopol Bell at Windsor Castle is rung upon the death of senior British royals. No Swan So Fine (talk) 22:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another royal residence. Clarence House, once had an actual Russian Orthodox chapel. 2A02:C7B:218:3E00:6118:28BB:79B7:817 (talk) 14:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody codes

The article London Monster says

"Magistrates charged Williams with defacing clothing[Note 1]—a crime that in the Bloody Code carried a harsher penalty than assault or attempted murder."

However Bloody_Code says:

"Leon Radzinowicz listed 49 pages of "Capital Statutes of the Eighteenth Century" divided into 21 categories:[13]

…

Stabbing, maiming and shooting at any person"

Which is correct (or are they both?)

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I don't know the answer, but the two statements are not at odds with each other. Theoretically (given just these two statements), the penalty for an attempt to strangle a person could have been a slap on the wrist, provided that the clothing of the victim was not defaced. --Lambiam 06:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article (footnote 48 on page 19) says that "attempted murder" was not legally defined until Lord Ellenborough's Act (Malicious Shooting or Stabbing Act 1803). Alansplodge (talk) 13:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At this time, there was a sharp distinction between felonies and misdemeanors. The former category consisted of “serious” crimes punishable by death or transportation; the latter were relatively milder offenses punishable by prison, the pillory, or a public flogging. Grand larceny, for example, was a felony; minor larceny a misdemeanor. More than two hundred crimes were punishable by death, but the felons often received a pardon. Murderers were of course hanged, as were hardened thieves, highwaymen, and street robbers; other felons were most often transported to a prison colony abroad. Common assault, even with intent to maim or kill, was a misdemeanor, and Williams and his friends had hoped that the Monster’s crimes would be categorized as such.
But, on the other hand the authorities were hard pressed to find a legal statute that made the Monster’s crime a felony, since they feared a public outrage in London if he was charged with a mere misdemeanor...
But the magistrates and judges had discovered an obscure statute from 1721. It had been intended to repress the activities of certain weavers who objected to the importation of Indian fashions that were purchased by the public in preference to the weavers’ own goods. The weavers actually poured aquafortis on the clothes of people wearing these foreign fashions. To stop these outrages, it was made a felony, punishable by transportation for seven years, to "assault any person in the public streets, with intent to tear, spoil, cut, burn, or deface, the garments or cloaths of such person, provided the act be done in pursuance of such intention."
— Bondeson, Jan (2001). The London Monster. University of Pennsylvania Press. p. 85.

There's also some discussion in Russell v. I p. 888. fiveby(zero) 23:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Man, the Fashion Police were a lot stricter in those days. Cam Newton wouldn't have lasted a day. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]