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IPA for ORCID[edit]
Please can someone provide an IPA transcription for ORCID, according to this audio file? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done. I'm not sure if the audio is really necessary when it's just orchid, though. Nardog (talk) 10:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Capitalization of Latin titles in English texts[edit]
Which words are capitalised when quoting or mentioning a work with a Latin title in an English text? The Chicago Manual of Style has:
- "titles of ancient and medieval Latin works are capitalized in sentence style"
and
- "Renaissance and modern works or works in English with Latin titles are usually capitalized in the English fashion (i.e., headline style"
I know some volunteers here have experience with writing scholarly texts that will include Latin titles. Do the CMS's 'rules' coincide with your experience? (I'm not asking about how Wikipedia's own manual of style handles this). Thank you in advance! ---Sluzzelin talk 20:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, the CMS rules coincide with my experience. That may be because CMS is used as a style guide by many academic journals, of course. Deor (talk) 21:08, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, Deor! I did not know that. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- One thing of note; the concept of capitalization did not exist in Ancient Latin texts because ancient Latin did not have a mix of cases; while there were different styles of writing, the idea that there would be two different versions of every letter, and there would be a set of rules determining when to use each version, only dates from the middle ages. So the convention matches the fact that Ancient Latin texts would not have capitalized using Headline Case because such a concept made no sense in ancient Latin. In Latin, different forms of letters began to be mixed in the 1st century, but it probably wasn't until Carolingian minuscule (c. 9th century) that texts began to deliberately mix upper and lower case letters for specific purposes (such as indicating a proper name or start of a sentence). See Letter case#History. --Jayron32 14:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- This raises a further question - are the glyphs of the lower case letters also a medieval invention? I know the upper case letters were already used by the ancient Romans. JIP | Talk 13:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- See Lower case#History. deisenbe (talk) 15:38, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- This raises a further question - are the glyphs of the lower case letters also a medieval invention? I know the upper case letters were already used by the ancient Romans. JIP | Talk 13:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- One thing of note; the concept of capitalization did not exist in Ancient Latin texts because ancient Latin did not have a mix of cases; while there were different styles of writing, the idea that there would be two different versions of every letter, and there would be a set of rules determining when to use each version, only dates from the middle ages. So the convention matches the fact that Ancient Latin texts would not have capitalized using Headline Case because such a concept made no sense in ancient Latin. In Latin, different forms of letters began to be mixed in the 1st century, but it probably wasn't until Carolingian minuscule (c. 9th century) that texts began to deliberately mix upper and lower case letters for specific purposes (such as indicating a proper name or start of a sentence). See Letter case#History. --Jayron32 14:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, Deor! I did not know that. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)