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Relgious messages in signatures[edit]

Is it acceptable for signatures to contain religious messages? (For example, let's say "Praise the LORD" as an example). (talk) 02:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I would say yes, it's not like it's obscene or a threat. --AmaryllisGardener talk 02:46, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes. NE Ent 03:25, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the replies. This is a surprising and disappointing response. If this is indeed Wikipedia policy then I thoroughly oppose it. (talk) 12:22, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
We have a name for that.... Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 19:20, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
So, could I have a signature that says "Hail Satan?" МандичкаYO 😜 23:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


Am I allowed to sign with...
--[[User:|]] ([[User talk:|talk]]) ~~~~~
-- (talk) 11:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
Instead of the regular...
--~~~~? For IP editors this changes the first internal link. (Hover your mouse over the IP addresses to see the difference.)
-- (talk) 11:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hyphen (or Em Dash)[edit]

The signature and timestamp function (in edit mode) inserts two hyphens in front of the tildes, and this used to be the normal way of formatting a signature (by my recollection). But I've noticed that many signatures no longer include the hyphens. My personal preference is to include the hyphens because they help visually identify the signature (as distinct from the comment). But it would be nice to have the preferred method explicitly described on this page.--Tedd (talk) 16:28, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Two hyphens is a relic left over from email signatures (see Signature block). It's purpose was to allow software to recognize where the signature block (name, address, witty comments and other junk) began, so it could be formatted differently. There is no reason for hyphens or dashes before a signature at Wikipedia, and the default signature does not use them. Johnuniq (talk) 02:11, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
@Tedd: The RfC at Wikipedia talk:Signatures/Archive 8#Simplifying signatures covered several things, including which of the various horizontal line characters should be preferred. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
@Johnuniq: The default four-tilde signature doesn't use them, this is true; but clicking the Insert-signature.png or Button sig.png button above the edit box inserts two hyphen-minus characters before the four tildes, like this: --Redrose64 (talk) 14:58, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd forgotten about those buttons. I still think the two hyphens are derived from old email habits, but some good editors like them and two dashes are no problem. I was just observing that two hyphens are not part of the default four-tilde signature, and they had a purpose for email signature blocks that does not apply on a wiki. Johnuniq (talk) 23:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't know why the hyphens aren't removed from the buttons. All guidance says to use four tildes. In fact, Wikipedia:Signatures § How to sign your posts is incorrect when it says:

If you are using the edit toolbar option (it usually appears above the edit screen as a default), click the signature icon: or , to add the four tildes.

I doesn't say anything about adding two hyphens as well, which could confuse editors who mistake --~~~~ for six tildes (or six hyphens). sroc 💬 06:07, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that the hyphens remain on the buttons because it's built into the MediaWiki software, and as such is shared with the other languages and Wikis (Commons, Meta, Wiktionary, etc.). Removing the two hyphens either means making English Wikipedia inconsistent with the others, or it means removing them from all languages and wikis, which may be controversial. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Ah, interesting. In any case, shouldn't the above documentation be revised to note this idiosyncrasy? sroc 💬 07:04, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I'd revised the documentation accordingly. sroc 💬 08:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
These technology-derived explanations don't ring true to me. I suspect the double hyphens, which are a standard typological convention where em dashes aren't available, derive from the formatting used for quote attribution (as, for example, in the Chicago Manual of Style). The purpose is to visually distinguish the attribution from the rest of the text, for clarity. This same point is raised on the talk page that User:Redrose64 linked to, above. That is also why I prefer the method.--Tedd (talk) 03:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I usually only insert double hyphens in front of the tildes when the last word in my post is linked, thus separating the links in my signature from the preceding Wikilink. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I invariably insert two hyphens before the tildes. The only exception I can think of is when I post a line that says "Header added by" or the like. --ColinFine (talk) 16:03, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 April 2015[edit]

I think someone should change the color values in the note under Appearance and colors to actually be the color so you don't have to be a genius / have an external tool to figure out the color. This is (would be) just a minor change. Randomdude999 (talk) 14:36, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done I think this is what Randomdude999 was getting at, and a reasonable suggestion since examples are given for large text, for instance. sroc 💬 16:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Ahh. Okay, that's fine. I've updated your change to use {{Colorbox}} which gives a slightly cleaner result (and actually shows the colors). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 16:23, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, thanks! I wasn't aware of that template. sroc 💬 05:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Article links in signatures[edit]

A discussion at the Help desk has uncovered the lack of definitive guidance about including links to articles in signatures. As can be deduced from that discussion, I would support an explicit prohibition of such links. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, the fact that it's taken ten-plus years of Wikipedia for the question to be asked suggests that this isn't a common enough problem to be worth framing specific policy for. Arguably, the more general issue is already dealt with (implicitly) by WP:SIGLINK and WP:SIG#DL, while still allowing for flexibility and common sense interpretation. (Perhaps we should explicitly discourage proselytizing and political campaigning as examples of inappropriate use? I fear, though, that this will attract more POINTyness than leaving the matter alone.) A firm rule against article links in signatures also has the potential to interfere with "good" or "constructive" use of such links.
I think the more important point (that we should take from that specific Help Desk discussion) is that a signature should avoid links and text which make the user's identity difficult to discern or ambiguous; further, it should be readily ascertained which links in the signature point to the user's talk and/or user page(s). Ultimately, the two core purposes of a signature are to identify the user who wrote something on a page, and to allow other Wikipedia editors to communicate with that user. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • +3 This about sums up my thoughts on the matter as well. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:05, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Toat on all points. I went to Signatures (in response to that same Help desk request) not thinking about the link at all, but expecting to find something about misleading signatures (which was my concern). --ColinFine (talk) 15:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • FYI, I recall one user formatted the date elements in their signature as wikinks to "on this day" type articles for that date. It may have been a problem for correctly formatting dates, but provides an example of how wikilinks to articles can be harmlessly included in signatures. sroc 💬 16:17, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Oooh! If we're going to start having article links in signatures maybe I should change mine to something like this: I am ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)!!! /sarcasm. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I used to have a link to Random article in my signature [1] (before I changed my username). Nobody ever complained.  — An optimist on the run! (logged on as Pek the Penguin) 14:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Persistently Broken Signature[edit]

A few days ago, I customised my signature to be

<div style="text-align:right">—SarahTehCat</div>

(Note: that dash is an em-dash.) Until now, it was working just fine: all I had to do was type 4 tildes and that would be inputted. Now it's not working, and just shows what it would normally show except the HTML won't render, like so:

<div style="text-align:right">– SarahTehCat</div> (talk) 17:52, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I did go to WP:FIXSIG, but it didn't really help... It's still not working. :I

And if I put it in manually, the HTML works just fine...

Could someone clear this up for me? I can't figure out what's out-of-place here... :/

SarahTehCat (talk) 18:02, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible you've accidentally unchecked the "Treat the above as wiki markup" box in your preferences, under the signature line? --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
@SarahTehCat: Please do not use the <div>...</div> tags in signatures. A signature is supposed to be inline content, which the div element is not. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Floquenbeam: Well, this is weird. You see, what happened was I never had it checked to begin with, and it worked just fine up until then. Once it ceased working, I went to WP:FIXSIG and it said to check that option if I'm using HTML, so I checked it, but it kept giving me the error message

Invalid raw signature; check HTML tags.

. Just now, after reading your message, I said "what the heck" and went back to Preferences to try it again. I checkmarked the option and it no longer shows the error message. Weird... σ_δ

Redrose64: I know that the <div>...</div> element is block-level-formatted, but that doesn't matter with my particular signature since I don't want it to be inline. I like my signature one line below my content and aligned flush to the right. So for my case, the <div>...</div> tag works best because it doesn't matter where I put it; it will always be as such.

– SarahTehCat

17:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Monty: I agree. I apologise. I did not intend for it to take up 2 lines, and I don't know why it is. Before, it had not done that; it had always done it on one line only, albeit a line below my content as I want it.

What I really want is for it to be like normal, but right-aligned and on its own line. But I only want it to be one line thick. That doesn't violate any WP guidelines/policies/etc, as far as I know. I want it like how it is below. It works whenever I do it manually, like here:

I changed my signature to just – SarahTehCat and just typed below

<div style=text-align:right>~~~~</div>

(I also unchecked "Treat the above as wiki markup" under Preferences.)

Do you know how I could customise my signature to be like this?

– SarahTehCat (talk) 18:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes I do; but I'm not saying how. Please remember that what you like is not necessarily what the community wants. What the community wants is that the writer of each comment on a discussion page be easily identifiable. If your signature is way over there, the connection between it and your post is not clear. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

If it truly is unclear, then I'm fine with keeping it on the same line. But you don't have to be rude. I respect and understand the needs of the community and I'm willing to do what I need to do to maintain that position.

Regarding your statement, I'd like to now ask: how exactly is the connection between it and my post not clear? Very often, quotes are signed with an en-dash-then-name flush-aligned right on the line below the quote itself. – SarahTehCat (talk) 23:38, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

My Signature[edit]

Ok, so I was just told that I need to change my signature, because of the aircraft images in it. After reviewing this page it seems that the biggest problem is when it is disruptive. I don't think mine is disruptive because I put it together in such a way that it would be the same height as the text and it wouldn't be distracting. It is also black for the same reason. Any thoughts from others?--AMthumbnailTalk/Contribsthumbnail 15:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

My signature: --AMthumbnailTalk/Contribsthumbnail

@Airplane Maniac: No images is signatures is policy WP:SIGIMAGE - no exceptions allowed. Please change yours. --NeilN talk to me 15:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Airplane Maniac: It doesn't matter how big they are; what matters is that there are images at all. WP:SIGIMAGE, which is policy, is clear: images of any kind must not be used in signatures. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Is there anything to do to replace it?--AMthumbnailTalk/Contribsthumbnail 16:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
@Airplane Maniac: There was a suggestion on your talk page to use a unicode version. --NeilN talk to me 16:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Could you explain that?--AMthumbnailTalk/Contribsthumbnail 16:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
NeilN means to use a character and not an image. This was suggested at User talk:Airplane Maniac#Your signature where an example was provided. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
No, could you explain how that works. I don't even really understand what Unicode is...--AMthumbnailTalk/Contribsthumbnail 16:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
All you have to do is copy/paste "✈" into your signature in place of the images. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way to create my own Unicode images?--AMthumbnailTalk/Contribsthumbnail 17:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

No, unicode is an international character encoding standard. A table with all of the available characters is available here. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I just found a helicopter (🚁) as well. There are several other airplane symbols, but most of them don't display for me because I apparently don't have the correct font(s) installed on my computer. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:28, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

unicode/non-Latin characters in signature when not in username[edit]

There's a section of this guideline which says, effectively, you're welcome to have a non-Latin username, but "As a courtesy to the rest of the contributors, users with such usernames are encouraged to sign their posts (at least in part) with Latin characters." Indeed this makes sense if the "end result" of a signature, according to the guideline, should be "easily readable by virtually everybody" [on the English Wikipedia]. Doing so makes it possible to search for names, easily reference names, etc.

Several times now I've encountered Latin usernames with non-Latin signatures. Generally speaking I'm ok with people doing what they want with signatures as long as they're consistent, but doing this makes it a cumbersome process to, say, find someone's comment in a long thread/page.

I don't really want to be picking on anyone in particular here, because there's nothing personal about this whatsoever, but there are three names that immediately come to mind: Medeis ("μηδείς"), Wikimandia ("Мандичка"), and Fixuture ("Fixut͉͇̞͖͉̼̭͉͓͑̈̉́͑ȗ̹̲ͨͮ̂̂̄ṙ̫̥͚͚̜͙͍̰́̈́ė̺̩̞̗̓̉ͧͩ̿ͤ̎̆"). I apologize to the three of you for using your signatures as examples -- I'd really like for this thread to be about process/the guidelines rather than to comment on specific editors -- I just think it's hard to convey what I mean without examples. As will be obvious at the end of this post, I'm certainly not in a position for faulting anyone for stylizing a signature. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll note that Fixuture has already changed his/her signature. If there are others who have used such a signature in the past and no longer do I'd be happy to change the examples above so as not to appear to be making this about specific users. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:43, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't mind you using me as an example, but I'm not going to change mine. I don't see the logic behind this and think this guideline needs to be improved. First, it is not true that "names that cannot be pronounced cannot be retained in memory" - we are blessed with visual memory as well (as the very memorable File:Prince logo.svg once stood for the Artist Formerly Known as Prince). Second why do we need to pronounce or "retain in memory" someone's signature or username? Note that unique usernames are not even required; many editors are simply IPs. I don't think people read out the string of numbers in an IP signature or "retain in memory" the IP beyond a few seconds. And while they may be "illegible" to some, they are not graphic images but are unique unicode characters and will be recognized as such as by screen reader software for accessibility purposes. Additionally anyone who replies to me can see my user name as Wikimandia, and either call me that or Mandichka or "the above editor" or whatever. The only issue I can see would be if names are nearly identical characters such as Easily confused Chinese characters. But I think people would have to be going out of their way to do this, and the same thing could also be accomplished with Latin trickery, as you can see small vs smaII (smaii). However, I don't think the font in Fixuture's (former) sig should be allowed as it obscures the other text. МандичкаYO 😜 23:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't mind being used as an example. Nor do I intend to change my signature. A signature is used by people editing talk pages. People with that level of skill will see my underlying Latin user name when editing, as will anyone who merely scrolls over my name. I am aware of users whose actual user name is not Latin, which seems a more fundamental issue, but I won't name names.
I am much more worried about users who constantly change their signatures to the point you will miss that they are really the same person. I have had the same signature since I began this account, it is easily searchable by a mere cut and paste. Users who constnatly change aliases by renaming themselves entirely in multiple new signatures are a problem that should be addressed. μηδείς (talk) 02:24, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I agree that repeatedly changing the text of a signature is more problematic, but let's save that for a separate thread.
Our username policy allows for either Latin or non-Latin usernames -- as long as the signatures are readable [in Latin text]. I can more easily empathize with someone who has a non-Latin username who simply signs their username (in the non-Latin characters) than someone who intentionally obscures their username by using non-Latin characters (though I realize "intentionally obscures" may overstep as far as ascribing intent goes).
If I respond to a thread, I can see your username, yes. But if I go to some long ANI, RfA, Village Pump, etc. page/archive and look for your contribution for whatever reason, the first thing I have to do is find a post by you, copy/paste the signature, then do a search. If I'm also looking for other people or other topics altogether, it's not simply a matter of repeatedly pasting -- I have to repeatedly find one to copy. Is it impossible? Of course not, but the point of this guideline (at least the part that I'm concerned with here) is that the signature is intended to be easily readable. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 03:18, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I am not quite sure I understand your complaint about cut paste searches, since I do this with IP's and other names all the time, regardless of the alphabet, and I may not know by memory how the name is spelt, or what the string of numbers is, so I too have to find a post by that user (or, easier, search for user:mjuyhnbt in the search field and cut and paste from there when I find it. I find muliticolor and nonstandard fonts, and especially bright cyan and yellow signatures very hard to read, but if the users are consistent, and I really need to search for their names, I can still do a cut and paste search.
As for purposefully obscuring the name, it didn't even occur to me to register in Greek or I might have. I chose the Greek signature specifically because it stands out while not being in a nonstandard font or funny colors and the like. (I am of an age when advanced high school students and candidates for a bachelor's were expected to know the Greek alphabet, regardless of whether they studied it, and vision related issues are much more salient to me than alphabets.)
Basically, the easy fix to the problem as stated would be to give each person his own computer generated signature, such as the names from Logan's Run, THX1138, or A Brave New World and have done with it. In any case, I don't see myself as the poster-user for any cause, so I don't want to imply by arguing further that my current status needs explaining or justifying. μηδείς (talk) 03:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Rhododendrites: "Our username policy allows for either Latin or non-Latin usernames -- as long as the signatures are readable [in Latin text]." ← This is not true at all. I don't know of any policy that states signatures must be readable in Latin text. They must be unicode and thus readable for accessibility. Like Medeis, I'm also perplexed by the issue you're having. In which case would you go through some long ANI and not be able to find someone's contribution because their sig is not in Latin? I think even if you can't easily pronounce a name, you should still be able to visually spot it quickly. Personally, non-Latin signatures jump out at me and are more noticeable because they do not blend in with surrounding text. МандичкаYO 😜 07:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't know of any policy that states signatures must be readable in Latin text -- no, not "must be", but it's "encouraged" per this guideline (see above). And if it's "encouraged" to sign non-Latin usernames with Latin text (that's what the guideline says), it's seems quite contrary to the spirit of the guideline to sign Latin usernames with non-Latin text. That's my point. As far as recognition, etc. it's not a matter of standing out, it's a matter of typing in. If I'm looking at a 700k archive, I don't want to scroll through it to find a name that visually stands out, I want to "find on page". I can't do that with your signature. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:14, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Rhododendrites: There's a big difference between "required" and "encouraged." And I still don't see what the issue is regarding looking for someone's old comments or think this would be a common occurrence. If you're looking at an archive, there's no guarantee the person will have the same signature now as they did then, even if both are in Latin characters. (Signatures are not dynamic; notice my signature at the bottom message from six months ago.) If you really can't find it, just hit edit and do a CTRL-F for the username. This seems like an imaginary (ie not likely to occur more than once in a blue moon) problem with many simple solutions that do not involve changing policy. МандичкаYO 😜 07:38, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
I will stick my nose in here, along with Rhododendrites, despite the length of time since this discussion was active. There is a very real reason for encouraging at least a portion of each signature to be in Latin text, and that is that many people do not read or understand other alphabets (i am, obviously, speaking of English speakers here), which makes retaining the signature in a different alphabet difficult. If i may use an analogy ~ when i read a Russian novel i often struggle to remember if i have come across a particular character or name previously, because when i read, though i read quickly, i verbalise certain words within my mind, but my skills at doing so with long words with uncommon (in English) letter combinations are somewhat rudimentary, so i tend to gloss over such words or names and therefore do not necessarily recognise them later. I suspect that many people do not have this particular issue with the way they read thus, perhaps, people who use different alphabets in their signatures mayn't realise that they are actually causing difficulties for some users.
That all being say, the guideline only encourages the use of some Latin text, does not require it, and i don't expect that to change any time soon. There are workarounds, as have been suggested above; though, like many workarounds, they are less than optimal, they are sufficient. Cheers, LindsayHello 11:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Mark WP:SIG#NT as policy?[edit]

I reverted this change, which was made with the argument that a guideline may not 'forbid' anything. I think that is oversimplified, but it warrants discussion anyway. Meanwhile, I regard the stated rationale for not allowing transclusions in signatures as self-evident. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Support raising WP:SIG#NT to policy. To paraphrase my comment of 18:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC), as I understand it, one of the problems (for there are several) with templates in signatures is similar to the case of images within sigs: if the template is amended, every single page where that template appears will need rebuilding. There is of course a concern with the server load required to do that: some users (like me) post on several discussion pages each day, so that's a lot of pages to be added to the job queue. But the point is that the hypothetical new version of the template might be completely different from the old, thus all of the signed posts containing this template change their content (and possibly their meaning), which is contrary to the idea of WP:TPO. See also Wikipedia talk:Signatures/Archive 9#Clarification requested on WP:SIG#NoTemplates. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:22, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • As the community considers using templates in signatures to be disruptive, an editor who chooses (despite this guideline) to put templates in their signature would be subject to the Wikipedia:Disruptive editing policy. Accordingly, I don't think elevating this particular section(?) to policy is necessary. –xenotalk 15:53, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
    The community may consider it disruptive, but is it explicitly described as disruptive anywhere outside of talk pages? If it's not, there are those who will say that SIG#NT isn't a hard and fast rule, and may even invoke WP:IAR. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I support anything that might reduce the nonsense associated with signatures and this guideline. I saw the edit but didn't have time to formulate a proper response, and I can see that liberty people would be offended by the suggestion that something might be "forbidden". My feeling is that a guideline should give guidance, and telling people that sig templates are merely "strongly discouraged" is silly—an editor insisting on such a template would force editors to waste hours explaining the issues, when the simple fact is that anyone who insists on a template after explanations will eventually be indeffed. What xeno says is correct, but that path means hours will be wasted when someone insists on their template sig. I would be happy with a compromise that keeps language like "forbidden" ("are not permitted" might be less inflammatory) if people don't want to make it a policy. Johnuniq (talk) 04:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
    • How about "not allowed"? Same meaning. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 08:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Unrelated post[edit]

I am sorry for his this I will read over what needs to be done I am sure your a busy person and he doesn't know that I did this, he got pissed and went to bed.. I will read there everything. And try my best is not then I guess he will be will have to deal not having one fore his business. It kept saying that he was advertising his business over wiki. And that's what he kept getting made at. He kinda has short temper so I am sorry for any anything that this my have caused for you or any other editor. Ian I am going to take a break to night and try again latter. When I get to a computer.don't stress about it. I'll make sure that I am the only one that is writing for now on under DravenFrost.. No news for a reply to this unless you feel it is needed.

Shoot I forgot to sign the last thing I said about DravenFrost --Jw271988 (talk) 05:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Presumably this relates to User talk:Jw271988#In response to the messages you've been leaving in your sandbox. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:14, 26 June 2015 (UTC)