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It’s annoying to remember![edit]

How about, At least at the times when I click on “new section”, it automatically includes the four tidles on the second line, because once the edit frame is ready I forget all about it. Another way to prevent user forgetfulness is when the user clicks on preview, it adds this string: “Preceding unsigned comment added by…” (no name, or date) to remind the user to add the ~ ~ ~ ~. Charlieb000 (talk) 03:30, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello Charlieb000, see Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) #Release Automatically signing User: Perhelion 12:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2016[edit]

please change 2001:DB8:CEEE:21B:DB60:07FE:4277:63FF to 2001:DB8:CEEE:21B:DB60:7FE:4277:63FF because leading zeroes are unnecessary. 95.49.33.102 (talk) 21:55, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Wikipedia:Signatures. What you are asking for is a change to the MediaWiki software, which would be handled via a request on Phabricator. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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How can I combine two accounts?

2601:1C0:8100:5E68:B04A:8E38:65D8:C7E2 (talk) 13:21, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

You can't. The best thing to do is, decide on one of the accounts and use only that one, and (to avoid any suspicion of sockpuppetry), leave notes on the user pages explaining the relationship. You could use the {{User alternative account}} template, or one of these user boxes. JohnCD (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Idea for including the "even if [...]" info, in the appropriate section[edit]

This is a suggesting for moving (or copying) certain information from one section to another.

As it stands now[edit]

Currently, the section Wikipedia:Signatures#When signatures should and should not be used already says (among other things) that (blockquote #1):

Any posts made to the user talk pages, article talk pages and any other discussion pages must be signed.

IMHO, unless we expect it to be obvious -- (and, at first, it was not obvious to me!) -- I think that it should explicitly state, whether or not that includes editing that is being done without logging in. The last time I checked, it did not.


Eventually, I did find the answer (stated explicitly). It was a little bit further down -- in the section called "Wikipedia:Signatures#How_to_sign_your_posts". There, it says -- (among other things) (blockquote #2):

Note that if you choose to contribute without logging in, regardless of whether you have an account, you should still sign your posts.

IMHO It should be [or "also" be] "where it belongs"[edit]

However, I was (initially) looking for that kind of information (i.e., blockquote #2) in the section where I was expecting to find it -- namely, in the section named "When signatures should and should not be used".

I would have no objection if that kind of information could "also" be found elsewhere -- such as in the "How to sign your posts" section. However, I think that this "informative" Wikipedia:Signatures page would be more helpful to those users (editors) who do not already know this stuff, if that kind of information could [at least!] be found in the section where it seems to belong ... namely, in the "When signatures should and should not be used" section.

Any comments?[edit]

--Mike Schwartz (talk) 07:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

CASE CLOSED[edit]

The above suggestion project was implemented, (via an edit to the project page) on 5 September 2016‎. For details, see the DIFF listing.
Resolved: "Case closed."
--Mike Schwartz (talk) 16:14, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Custom signature problem[edit]

Have a look at this edit to my user talk page. I did not recognise the problem immediately, but the user had of course used user preferences to change their signature, apparentl\y without having the slightest idea what they were doing.

It got me wondering, should we be more explicit in telling people not to do this, either in this guideline or on the user preference special page? Or even both? Andrewa (talk) 01:19, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Is making a reference to one's username in a proposed deletion template acceptable?[edit]

Recently an editor complained that I add my username to proposed deletion templates and that it violates this policy, and removed it ([1]). Now, of course we do not sign articles. However, Template:Prod does include and even requires an explanation. As part of my explanation I ask anyone who comes to remove it to follow PROD best policies and notify me of it. As people have not been doing that often, few months ago I added a link to my talk page to my prod rationale, so that lazy people do not have to check history for who prodded, and have less of an excuse not to follow PROD best practices. Considering that prod templates will be removed one way or another in ~week, I do not believe that I am abusing any policy or gaining undue visibility, I just want to make the PROD process as easy as possible for everyone involved. I've been doing it for few months, with numerous admins seeing my prods, but nobody complained about them till now. Seeing as this policy does not discuss this case, I think it would be good to ask for other opinions on this, and if there are no objections, I'd like to add a note to this policy that refering to one's user page is allowed in prod. Do note that I could create a WikiProject subpage somewhere, ask people to edit it when deprodding my prods, and watchlist it for a similar effect, but what's the harm in telling people to post to my talk page? Again, if anyone does that, the template is removed anyway. Let's not forget that the rule against signatures in the namespace is there to prevent people claiming authorship, and there is no way my reference to my talk page could be confused for anything like that. Thoughts? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:54, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree that adding a link with your user name has some benefit, and the verbage displayed by {{Proposed deletion}} is sufficiently weird that adding a user name seems a minor issue. However, the general rule is that articles never have a user name or link, and that's the way prods always work. Further, there is a team of wikicleaners who search and destroy such links because that is how things are done. I don't think this is the right page to discuss the issue. Perhaps Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) would be better, or the talk page of the prod template. Johnuniq (talk) 11:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
I certainly understand how this can my the job of removing unwanted user signatures (i.e. practically all others) from mainspace more difficult, but this could be solved I think by either creating a whitelist of the few editors (myself?) who do it in prods, or excluding prod trasnscluded template from appearing in searches for those using the relevant script. Through now that I think about it, perhaps creating a WikiProject Deletion subpage where we would ask people to notify others about de-prods may be the best solution for everyone - it would not interfere with cleaning signature tasks and would give prodders a centralize place to check for prods being removed. PS. I did annouce this discussion at WT:PROD, I don't think we need input from VP yet. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
As Johnuniq mentions, the general rule is no links to user or draft space in articles. There are multiple reports out there that find these links including Wikipedia:Database reports/Articles containing links to the user space and this. Piotrus, you are only person who does this with Prods and you've been doing it for only a few months. As you often prod 10-15 articles a day, it can get very annoying trying to remove the bad from your prodded articles. Your proposal wouldn't work. The database report does not get any info from other sources. The other report is language agnostic... currently every language Wikipedia it scans is like English Wikipedia, no user space links. Bgwhite (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
I am amenable to finding out a solution that works for everyone. Now, can you tell me why "Your proposal [for a centralized notice page linked from prod template] wouldn't work"? I don't follow. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:15, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
The database reports only look at what is in the enwiki database. It does not look elsewhere. The reports are also run on other wikis. Again, you are the only one who does this. Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
A history search is generally required to determine who has proposed a deletion. I commend Piotrus for transparency in including a link in prods. We should try to find some means of clarifying who is responsible for a prod. Including a signature in the prod reason is apparently not the best solution. ~Kvng (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Right. The extra 10-20 seconds that an (experienced, newbies may need more) editor needs to figure out who proposed a prod (so that they can notify them it was declined, or otherwise engage in a discussion) is a waste of time that can be solved with a signed prod. Now, I still see only two compromise solutions: a) rewrite the code for checking for sigs in mainspace to ignore sigs in code or b) create a centralized page where declining prods would be discussed. So far nobody endorsed either of those, so I am not seeing an acceptable solution (and I'll repeat: signing prods is NOT against any policy). I am sorry that signing prods makes life more difficult for some editors, but it makes practice easier for people dealing with prods. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:32, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

When not to use[edit]

I see that in the template Template:Requested move there is the option to use "|sign=no" to suppress the signature on the RM. Is this ok to do or is there a requirement that the signature be there? I was wondering because I created an RM this way and someone re-added my signature anyways. If it's not proper to use the "|sign=no" then why is it an option? Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2016 (UTC)