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My Signature[edit]

Ok, so I was just told that I need to change my signature, because of the aircraft images in it. After reviewing this page it seems that the biggest problem is when it is disruptive. I don't think mine is disruptive because I put it together in such a way that it would be the same height as the text and it wouldn't be distracting. It is also black for the same reason. Any thoughts from others?--Airplane Maniac (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

My signature: --Airplane Maniac (talk)

@Airplane Maniac: No images is signatures is policy WP:SIGIMAGE - no exceptions allowed. Please change yours. --NeilN talk to me 15:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Airplane Maniac: It doesn't matter how big they are; what matters is that there are images at all. WP:SIGIMAGE, which is policy, is clear: images of any kind must not be used in signatures. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:55, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Is there anything to do to replace it?--Airplane Maniac (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
@Airplane Maniac: There was a suggestion on your talk page to use a unicode version. --NeilN talk to me 16:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Could you explain that?--Airplane Maniac (talk) 16:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
NeilN means to use a character and not an image. This was suggested at User talk:Airplane Maniac#Your signature where an example was provided. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:23, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
No, could you explain how that works. I don't even really understand what Unicode is...--Airplane Maniac (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
All you have to do is copy/paste "✈" into your signature in place of the images. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Is there a way to create my own Unicode images?--Airplane Maniac (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

No, unicode is an international character encoding standard. A table with all of the available characters is available here. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
I just found a helicopter (🚁) as well. There are several other airplane symbols, but most of them don't display for me because I apparently don't have the correct font(s) installed on my computer. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:28, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
All instances of File:Airplane GA Black.svg and File:Black aicraft icon.svg in user signatures have been eliminated, per WP:SIGCLEAN. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Mark WP:SIG#NT as policy?[edit]

I reverted this change, which was made with the argument that a guideline may not 'forbid' anything. I think that is oversimplified, but it warrants discussion anyway. Meanwhile, I regard the stated rationale for not allowing transclusions in signatures as self-evident. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Support raising WP:SIG#NT to policy. To paraphrase my comment of 18:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC), as I understand it, one of the problems (for there are several) with templates in signatures is similar to the case of images within sigs: if the template is amended, every single page where that template appears will need rebuilding. There is of course a concern with the server load required to do that: some users (like me) post on several discussion pages each day, so that's a lot of pages to be added to the job queue. But the point is that the hypothetical new version of the template might be completely different from the old, thus all of the signed posts containing this template change their content (and possibly their meaning), which is contrary to the idea of WP:TPO. See also Wikipedia talk:Signatures/Archive 9#Clarification requested on WP:SIG#NoTemplates. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:22, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • As the community considers using templates in signatures to be disruptive, an editor who chooses (despite this guideline) to put templates in their signature would be subject to the Wikipedia:Disruptive editing policy. Accordingly, I don't think elevating this particular section(?) to policy is necessary. –xenotalk 15:53, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
    The community may consider it disruptive, but is it explicitly described as disruptive anywhere outside of talk pages? If it's not, there are those who will say that SIG#NT isn't a hard and fast rule, and may even invoke WP:IAR. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
  • I support anything that might reduce the nonsense associated with signatures and this guideline. I saw the edit but didn't have time to formulate a proper response, and I can see that liberty people would be offended by the suggestion that something might be "forbidden". My feeling is that a guideline should give guidance, and telling people that sig templates are merely "strongly discouraged" is silly—an editor insisting on such a template would force editors to waste hours explaining the issues, when the simple fact is that anyone who insists on a template after explanations will eventually be indeffed. What xeno says is correct, but that path means hours will be wasted when someone insists on their template sig. I would be happy with a compromise that keeps language like "forbidden" ("are not permitted" might be less inflammatory) if people don't want to make it a policy. Johnuniq (talk) 04:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
    • How about "not allowed"? Same meaning. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 08:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The less new policy the better. Saying it is considered disruptive is both true and makes it fall under existing policy. I agree with Ahecht. Chillum 04:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

MPEG-4 videos in signatures?[edit]

Is there any way I can use a video for my signature, preferably in MPEG-4 format? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:41, 2 July 2015

No. First, only logged-in users can have custom signatures; second, the use of any image (moving or not) is forbidden, per WP:SIGIMAGE. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:17, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Drop shadows[edit]

I suggest that we add a caution about drop shadows to the WP:SIGAPP section. Apparently, some editors believe that drop shadows do not hinder accessibility. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I disagree very strongly with this proposal. Many editors (myself included) have drop shadows in our signatures. So unless there is a clear rationale, preferably backed by sources, for concluding that drop shadows dramatically affect accessibility, damage page layout, or otherwise cause a nuisance, such a change would at a minimum need to be supported by an RfC in which interested parties were all notified. I don't think, given the prevalence of this practice (and other custom sigs that are far more complicated than a simple drop shadow), that such an RfC would have a snowball's chance of coming out with an outcome recommending against them. Sławomir Biały (talk) 14:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
My eyes work fine and i can barely read your signature with the pale blue over fading grey. Drop shadows affect the contrast on signatures and thus affect the readability, this is sky is blue territory. (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Had it for years. Not gonna change it, barring some massive consensus from an RfC. If some administrator wants to indefinitely block me, they can go ahead. You folks have gotten to the point of bullying and harassing productive volunteers because of diacritics in their username and drop shadows in their signatures. What kind of treatment is this for a volunteer? Shame on you. Sławomir Biały (talk) 14:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
You were the only one who mentioned diacritics. The main point of the thread was that the posts actually being made by Slawekb (talk · contribs) were being signed as if they were made by a different person, Sławomir Biały (talk · contribs). This is apparently still true. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Yep, still true. You apparently missed the part about how this is a legitimate use of an alternate account because of the diacritics in my username. Disagree? Well, feel free to continue to gang up on me over at ANI if you want. Or just block me indefinitely, since apparently having signatures that comply with some never-before-written-down rule is more important to the encyclopedia than generating useful content. Sławomir Biały (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
You were politely asked to modify your signature to make it accessible. Volunteers in many fields are expected - far more strongly than here - to behave in a way which makes the host organisation's customers or clients feel welcome, not to inconvenience them unnecessarily, and especially not to discriminate against them on the grounds of their disability. In some circumstances, the latter is a legal requirement. What kind of treatment is your sig, for the hundreds of volunteers who have to try to read it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
It's also policy not to harass other users. If you believe that I am not in compliance with "legal requirements", then you should lobby to have me indefinitely blocked at the appropriate forum. I am not going to be bullied by passive-aggressive legal threats. Sławomir Biały (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Harassment is a serious allegation. Take it to WP:ANI, or stop being such a dramah-monger. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh, please. You templated me with a "warning" on my talk page. Then you responded there with a curt "You appear to labour under the erroneous belief that it only concerns the specific examples that it then lists." Hopefully you can see how that comes across. So, no, I don't plan to comply with this rude request. And there is not a damn thing you can do about it. Sławomir Biały (talk)
As anyone can see, I left no "warning" on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Template:Uw-sigdesign1 is a "user warning template". Sławomir Biały (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
And again as anyone can see, the navbox on the template's page divides its content into "notices" and "warnings". {{Uw-sigdesign1}} is placed in the former section. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you should take it out of CAT:UWT if you don't want it to be confused with a "warning template". Or, you know, just don't template the regulars. Sławomir Biały (talk) 13:20, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Or maybe, and I might be reaching here, you could not assume a template is an attack and consider that maybe there is a reason why someone notified that there might be accessibility issues with drop shadows. Some people might find signatures hard to read with them, it would be nice if they weren't used for that reason. Nobody has said "You must remove the drop shadows or you will be punished", what has been said is, "You may want to consider remove the drop shadows because they make life difficult for some of our editors". If you read it in that tone, do you think your reaction has been proportionate? SPACKlick (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I haven't watched this page for long, but from the lack of traction I got in the thread I started above (concerning what is, to me, a much more obvious readability issue), I suspect there won't be much support. Nonetheless, personally I would support any RfC seeking to make signatures more readable (my own not withstanding). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

While I am not particularly fond of drop shadows (or of anything with a <span> tag), I strongly believe we should try to leave people's signatures alone as much as possible. More signature policing will only make this an even less fun place to be in (and it will stop the great advantage of truly obnoxious signatures: they tell you their owner is not a reasonable person, so you can safely ignore whatever they say). —Kusma (t·c) 13:35, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
As opposed to actually making unreasonable people go away? —Keφr 15:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Do they ever? —Kusma (t·c) 15:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Rarely. Still, it may help. —Keφr 16:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
I didn't suggest "policing", I suggested that we "add a caution". If we do not, new editors will continue to create inaccessible sigs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Signature Font Family and Style[edit]

How can I add { {SCRIPT|ARAB|مانجزهدي|مانجزهدي} } / { {SCRIPT|ARAB|مانجزهدي} } to my signature ? And how to vrite it to use the font "Andalus" ? Thank for help. ΜΑΝΓΖΕΔΙ / مانجزهدي (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Mary Jean Eisenhower[edit]

Please do not put the "personal life" paragraph back in. It is inaccurate and imposes on her son. Thank you and thank you for the privacy. PS Mary Jean's Mother died September 19, 2014, the family tree is inaccurate as well. (talk) 18:38, 2 October 2015 (UTC)mje174.58.159.176 (talk) 18:38, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@'re on the wrong talk page entirely - this page has nothing to do at all with the page you're editing, Mary Jean Eisenhower. See your user talk page at User_talk: to find the users you need to contact. Thanks. ~ NottNott talk|contrib 18:42, 2 October 2015 (UTC)