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Linda McCartney[edit]

Anyone what to take a crack at fixing the quote spam over at Linda McCartney.

Appearance of "the" in album chronology[edit]

Life of Tau, just wanted to say great job with fixing the non-capitalisation issue in the album infoboxes, e.g. at Pepper. I'd seen you do a couple of u-turns and self-reverts along the way(!), and was going to suggest trying the Extra chronology option, because it worked a treat with the North American-only releases (e.g. Yesterday and Today). I thought it might be good to cover this point across the project, so it's on the record, so to speak – which is why I'm flagging it here.

Just an idea, but if you wanted to apply the same Extra-chron treatment to all the Beatles' singles, that would be very welcome. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 05:29, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@JG66: Thank you, it's a good idea to have it on record on the project page. I'll certainly consider adding the template on the single pages now that I've finished doing it for every box set and compilation album in the band's back catalogue. LifeofTau 08:41, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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I'd love to join in[edit]


As a new Wikipedian and a Beatles fanatic this seems like an obvious place for me to raise my voice.

I'm a freelance writer and editor by trade so have pretty good writing skills. I'm learning my way around the Wikipedia CMS, but am by no means even comfortable on it as yet. I'll get there.

I've just put a note on Mark Lewisohn's Talk Page wondering if the All These Years project might be worthy of its own page. I think the Mark Lewisohn page could do with clearing up, but I don't feel that I have the skills to do that yet.

I wish you all well with the project!

SkagwayEntropy (talk) 09:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

"Lennon Remembers"[edit]

I could've sworn we had an article on Jann Wenner's 1971 book Lennon Remembers, which compiled the two parts of Lennon's infamous December 1970 Rolling Stone interview. But I can't seem to find it at all now. Maybe it's under a different title (or maybe I'm just imagining there was one). Anyone know about this? JG66 (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

There's The Rolling Stone Interview but it's not much more than a list. I don't recall a Lennon Remembers article. Might be enough for an article. William F. Buckley Jr. wrote a pretty scathing critique of the interview. Might be an interesting counterpoint to an interview that generally escaped criticism. Piriczki (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Piriczki: Thanks. Yep, there's definitely enough for an article, from what I've gathered together over the last day or so. The original publication afforded Lennon a sort of hallowed status in most rock journalists' minds during the '70s, so I understand, but at the same time made him ripe for parody (e.g. by National Lampoon). Do you have a link to the Buckley piece, by any chance? I agree it would be a welcome inclusion – along with mention of reaction from McCartney, George Martin, Derek Taylor, Hunter Davies and others who, to varying degrees, were in Lennon's line of fire. JG66 (talk) 04:10, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Can't find any free online sources. It was in the National Review and syndicated in various American newspapers in March 1971. Here's a couple excerpts that pretty much conveys the gist of it:
"What was Lennon's point in granting the interview? He had a minor and major point to make, respectively to promote an upcoming album, and to talk about himself. Several times, with his complete approval, he refers to himself as an egomaniac, a frailty a great many people have: but not all of those who have it, have the complementary failing of supposing that that part of the world (always a majority) that fails to interrupt all other activity in order to give itself over to the veneration of you is a) phillistine, b) ungrateful, c) is wasting its time."
"It is remarkable to achieve in combination what Mr. Lennon manages to do here, namely a) to demonstrate how he laid waste his life during the 1960's, and b) to proclaim so apodictically on how others should govern their lives: (recipe: adore Lennon, and (favorite verb) your neighbor)."
"Favorite verb" refers to an earlier mention of Lennon's frequent use of the f-word. (Buckley, William. "John Lennon's Almanac" National Review April 6, 1971) Piriczki (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Nice one, thanks. I was about to overstay my welcome and ask for a page number, but I found it easier enough by searching with the ref details you provided. Thanks again. JG66 (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

The perpetual genre problem[edit]

I searched the archives for discussions around genre and while there was some discussion about the topic it's not clear that anything was ever resolved. I realize the simple solution is simple: only sourced genres and since sources in infoboxes are frowned on, a discussion of genre in the text with sources is preferred. However, it's never that simple. I don't edit much on Beatle articles these days other than reverting obvious vandalism (and genre silliness) on the handful of songs I've watchlisted. It does, however, appear that the battles continue, new accounts and IPs continue to add their pet genres (which are often very funny). As well, there are unsourced genres listed on many songs, and dubious sourced genres that appear to be editor interpretation of an author's vague descriptive wording that turns (for example) "country influenced" into country or country rock. My gut instinct is to scrap genres all together and come up with firm guidelines about writing text, rather than lists, decide what good sources are, how to determine what those sources are saying (i.e. a critic discussing the Beatles' influence on power pop doesn't mean we necessarily call the Beatles power pop). Likewise, guidelines about the more ridiculous notions (I've seen jazz listed as a genre for the Beatles, for example). This way all concerned editors could be starting on the same page. As it stands, these articles attract genre warriors like moths to flame and although we can easily revert it does become tiresome and on occasion editors find themselves in sticky situations (such as warning an editor about adding unsourced genres when the article already has unsourced genres). And of course there's the issue about things that don't need sourcing because they're basic everyday knowledge: the Beatles were primarily a rock band, early on being described as a beat group (of course this also brings up the issue of rock vs. rock 'n' roll -- is the latter a specific historical term for 1950s music or is it the main term on par with jazz or rhythm and blues, with myriad sub-genres). I don't have a firm answer myself other than the suggestions above. If there was a previous discussion with a consensus decision I apologize for bringing this up again, but then again, if there was a consensus decision made, why are we not following it? There are too many unsourced genres floating around Beatle song and album articles to indicate that there are any sort of guidelines that everyone is expected to follow. Please also note, I'm only speaking of Beatle articles as life is too short to deal with genre battles in other music articles. freshacconci (✉) 19:16, 28 January 2018 (UTC)