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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

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Article up for promotion to A-Class[edit]

List any proposed A-Class assessments here. Discussion will take place on the article talk page. In general, at least two people should endorse promotion.

Source guide for tropical cyclone articles by User:Hylian Auree[edit]

All of the below is based on style guidelines per WP:MOS.
Note: The names and titles used as examples in this guide are fictional and do not represent real articles or reports unless otherwise stated


  • For news and journal articles, the title of the article needs to be written in lower case. Naturally, proper nouns, as well as names of places, people, etc., retain their capitalization. Example: Not More Than 500,000 Left Homeless in Brenden Moses County by Hurricane Julian, but More than 500,000 left homeless in Brenden Moses County by Hurricane Julian.
  • For reports, books, press releases, and conferences, the title of the text should be fully capitalized. Example: Not Rainfall report on Hurricane Julian and its tropical remnants in Brenden Moses County, but Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian and its Tropical Remnants in Brenden Moses County.
  • For regular websites, the reference title assumes the capitalization format of the original website title. However, full-caps words or titles still need to be rewritten in lower case.
  • All titles should have proper punctuation per the WP:MOS (e.g. straight  '  rather than curly    apostrophes or quotation marks, spaced en dashes instead of misused spaced hyphens, unspaced colons, semicolons, etc.), even when the source titles may not be stylized as such. Example: Not Brenden Moses County on alert : JULIAN plays wait-and-see - Forecasters warn of storm’s “undivinable” nature, but Brenden Moses County on alert: Julian plays wait-and-see – Forecasters warn of storm's "undivinable" nature.


  • The publication date of a source is listed in the |date= field. While this can normally be found at the top of the source, it is sometimes hidden in a more obscure location (e.g. the bottom of the page, the page history, or the url of the page). For web sources that are frequently updated, use the most recent revision date. If the source is undated, this needs to be indicated by adding "n.d.", as such: |date=n.d.
  • For online sources on web pages that may be suspect to domain changes, the retrieval date (the date upon which the source was found and last accessed) is listed in the |accessdate= field. This is always the case for online newspapers or web sites, though retrieval dates should be considered for online reports as well. For books and journals, even when electronic (such as Google Books), a retrieval date is unnecessary.

Authors vs publishers in reports, press releases or documents[edit]

  • Although these all fall under the |publisher= field, it is rather cumbersome and impractical to include every single parent department (NCEP, NWS, NOAA) in |publisher= for a report or document published by the WPC. Therefore, simply listing the lowest branch as the publisher suffices (so Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). Weather Prediction Center.  rather than Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). Weather Prediction Center; National Centers for Environmental Prediction, NOAA.  or something).
  • Above all: DO NOT compartmentalize these branches and spread them across the fields. These are the |publisher= of reports, not the |author= or |work=. Example: NOT Hink, Andrew; Weather Prediction Center (2015). Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian. National Centers for Environmental Prediction (Report) (College Park, MD: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). , but simply Hink, Andrew (2015). Rainfall Report on Hurricane Julian (Report). College Park, MD: Weather Prediction Center. )
  • The |work= field is often redundant here, unless the referenced report/document is part of a project, database, or contained in a separate website. In this case the project/database/website name may be listed as work, though this is often optional.
  • A recent example I came across can be found here. This is an undated rainfall report for Hurricane Earl (2010) from Météo-France published on their site, so an appropriate formatting would be {{cite report|url=|title=Earl 2010: Ouragan|publisher=Météo France|date=n.d.|accessdate=September 13, 2015}}. However, note the "Pluies Extrêmes Aux Antilles" ("Extreme Rainfall in the Antilles") at the top of the webpage and within the url; this suggests this is a separate web archive/database for extreme rainfall events in the Antilles, documented by Meteo France as an extension of their website ( In this case, the |work= parameter may serve disclose this additional information.

Newspaper vs publisher vs agency vs author in news articles[edit]

  • In the |newspaper= field (or the more obsolete |work= field), list the name of the newspaper. Online newspapers are sometimes hard to distinguish from web or radio sites; looking for an "About us" section on the site or searching the newspaper name on Wikipedia may help in this case.
  • The |publisher= parameter is used for sources from broadcasters (i.e. BBC), news channels (i.e. CNN, Fox News), radio channels (CBS Radio), etc. For newspapers, listing the publisher is unnecessary and redundant.
  • The most frequent error I see in newspaper citation formatting is misusing the |author= field for the news agency (i.e. AFP, AP, Reuters, etc.). There is a special |agency= field to list these agencies. Again, only names of individuals should be included in the |author= field.

Portal:Tropical cyclones/Anniversaries[edit]

This has been a bit of a pet project of mine this year. User:Nilfanion created the current TC anniversaries nearly nine years ago. There have been many notable storms since then (including one ongoing), and we've discovered many older storms that were quite notable. During his original pass, Nilfanion admitted to including some low-notability storms, mostly just to have a storm for each date. This year, I've gone through the records and made sure every day had a storm of at least some notoriety. I made a spreadsheet here to track the storms. If anyone wants to help update, the list is here, and if you have any storms I might've missed, lemme know. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

How to define the strongest storm[edit]

The other night I was having a chat on iCyclone's Facebook page with Josh Morgerman and he revealed during the course of the discussion that the NHC does not rank the strongest storm by pressure but uses winds instead. While I am sure he would be the first to say that he is not a reliable source since he went and double checked it all with NHC, this sent alarm bells ringing through my mind as we currently define pressure as being the parameter used for the strongest storm. Anyway i went through a few of the Annual Tropical Cyclone Reports that the centres write and could see no mention of what the strongest storm is or isnt. As a result I would like to propose that we make the strongeststorm= parameter in the infobox optional and have a review off all of the seasons to ensure we are calling the strongest storm correctly based on sourced material. It is worth noting that the seasonal effects charts primarily used outside of the NHC AOR, are able to show the reader what the strongest system is based on both winds and pressure. Any thoughts are welcome.Jason Rees (talk) 18:37, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

I always believe that a tropical cyclone intensity should be determined by sustained winds first. That is how the World Meteorological Organisation determines. -- Meow 01:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I think we have a good fix, that we now have a note in the infobox saying it is by pressure. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree. May be it could just be built into the infobox? Dustin (talk) 16:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Current infobox[edit]

Typhoon2013 is trying to put the current inforbox to all seasonal articles of tropical cyclones. It may be considered as a good idea but it really makes other editors very stressful to update, and it often looks unnecessary. -- Meow 01:36, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@Meow: Since last year, some users have been telling me to add infoboxes in all basins and therefore, I agreed. That's the reason why I started using the infobox for the 2015 North Indian ocean season article. I just added the infobox there (just to see if someone agrees or disagrees) and later that day I found users like Cyclonebiskit updating it. Also if you say unnecessary, then why do we have it in the WPac? IMO it's important to people, especialy when the forecast track is shown. Typhoon2013 (talk) 02:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
@Meow: Just in case you didn't see my last week's reply, I think it's fine now. Adding current infoboxes in all seasonal articles are fine and I don't find it that stressful by updating the infobox every 6 hours. Typhoon2013 (talk) 09:09, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I don’t have time to update. -- Meow 10:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Personally I think we should get rid of the Current infobox for all seasons and remember that we are not a weather agency or news service.Jason Rees (talk) 16:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
We're still an encyclopedia though, so we can certainly still summarize. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
@Hurricanehink: @Jason Rees: First of all, who even brought up an infobox hurricane current? Well, yes, we are not an agency Jason, but I personally think it's a good idea to follow the agencies. Just saying that when I arrived here in Wiki in 2013, the infobox hurricane current was already there. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Do you mean the current infobox for the individual storm, or for the season? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

RM for Typhoon Pongsona (disambiguation)[edit]

Participants at the requested move for Talk:Typhoon Pongsona (disambiguation) would be appreciated. Jenks24 (talk) 08:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Done, thanks. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Future seasons[edit]

Ok so now it's the end for both the 2015 PHS and AHS and now we are getting ready or transitioning into the 2016 seasons, which is months away. Also during November of 2013 and 2014, I made the 2014 and 2015 AHS articles (and they are early). But since no one rv me of doing this, I thought it was fine for making it. So two days ago, I made the 2016 AHS, but Juliancolton rv me for starting up the article and I agreed because now I remembered that "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball". So when do we put up the 2016 PHS and AHS seasons? In January, right now or a bit later? But just to note that the 2016 PTS article should be created days before January 1, 2016. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

We make them when we have info to include in them. It's that simple. When we get the first forecast for the season, then we'll make it. No need before then. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 14:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)