Wikipedia talk:Article alerts

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Boldface missing[edit]

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#Bold_new_entries.3F.

Not updating WP:Video games[edit]

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#Not_updating_WP:Video_games

Not updating WP:MADONNA[edit]

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts/Bugs#Not_updating_WP:MADONNA

Bad TOC form[edit]

Over at WT:ELEMENTS, putting the TOC into the ArticleAlert frame produces a very badly formed TOC (needlessly reduced width). I want to have the TOC regular placed & formed, think have it by default (outside of boxes). Can that be done? -DePiep (talk) 11:06, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Width is controlled on the table directly. Currently the TOC is 40%, and AALERTS is 60%. You can play with these % values if you want, but I don't see what's awful about the current TOC. 50-50 might look more to your taste though. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 12:52, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Even medium length section titles are wrapped over multiple lines. That is not how TOC was designed. -DePiep (talk) 16:33, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
That's not AAB functionality, that's the table added to the talk page. It has the following code:
! width=40% | Table of contents
! width=60% | [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/Article alerts|Article alerts]]
The 40% and 60% and the class of the table are what determine the layout. AAB page is simply transcluded, it could have been any content. Your best bet is to not use "ombox ombox-notice" table classes and tweak the width %. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:39, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
AFAIK, I'm supposed to have TOC inside the box because Article alert needs it. Fine (or else, tell me that TOC can be outside of the box -- solces).
The 40% you mention is of the reduced box with, 80%. So 40%×80%=32% of 100% page width. '50%' would still be only 40% of the page: not what TOC is designed for. At least, the AA message should be atop the TOC; now it is generating useless whitespace in its column. Useless and bad pagedesign. -DePiep (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Article alert doesn't (and cannot have) a TOC (it is not using sections). I'm not sure what you are trying to do? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 19:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Please take the TOC out of the box, it is an accessibility issue because there is content between the TOC and the first heading. Graham87, please let me know if I'm wrong. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. Thanks, Redrose64, for the note, and thanks, DePiep, for removing it. Graham87 01:10, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
re "Article alert doesn't (and cannot have) a TOC (it is not using sections)." -- OK! Now my initial OP assumption appears to be wrong. (I was assuming an Aa-TOC relation because of this editsummary by Christian75). Also moots Rr64 note I think. -DePiep (talk) 22:18, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Which was an answer to this "minor" edit. Look at the table it produce. Christian75 (talk) 22:24, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes it was "minor", even in retrospect here. Your claim that it was required in old form because of Article alert is wrong. Now do you excuse or keep diverting? -DePiep (talk) 22:45, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
You are and were wrong. It wasnt a minor edit. You left the page with a table which said "Table of contents" but contained an "article alert", and the other part of the table was empty. This is the page after you left it. And I didnt say anything about AA should be inside a box or not. (I know it can be outside, evidence, look at User:Christian75/aa). Christian75 (talk) 22:57, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

this feature in other language?[edit]

I want to use this feature on zh wiki, what are the requirements?

from my understanding I need at least a botPanintelize (talk) 12:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the bot is very English Wikipedia specific. All the workflows, templates, naming, checks and logic, not to mention output is based on English WP. The source code currently isn't public and probably won't be in near future. It would take a significant investment of time to convert it to another language. In other words--even if you had the source code--you would need to reprogram a lot of it. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:56, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Not updating WP:CHICAGO[edit]

WP:CHIAA has not updated since June 9.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:15, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Nor have any other AA pages. If you look at the contribs of AAlertBot (talk · contribs), you'll see that it's not running. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:05, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Has the service been shut down permanently or is this a temporary situation?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:02, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Whoops, didn't notice it stopped running. I've just ran it. This subscription managed to confuse the bot. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Classical music alert[edit]

I wonder why GAN Ferruccio Busoni doesn't show in the alerts for Classical music. Is it the bot or something in the nom? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

The article is not tagged with WikiProject Classical music banner, so the bot doesn't consider it as belonging to it. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 08:34, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: It does show at Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers/Article alerts, because of {{WikiProject Composers}}; at Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article alerts, because of {{WikiProject Opera}}; and at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment/Article alerts, because of {{WikiProject Biography|a&e-work-group=yes}}; so the Article Alerts system is working.
Just add {{WikiProject Classical music|class=b}} to Talk:Ferruccio Busoni and it'll show up in Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Article alerts at around 08:15 (UTC) tomorrow. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:05, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, done. I wonder, however, if the bot could treat "composers" as a sub-project of Classical music, as I understand it is, rather than adding another project to every relevant talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, forget it, composers are probably all composers, classical or not, and composers for GA don't come often, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: And there you go. As far as subprojects are concerned, changes to the WikiProject banners are best discussed either on the talk page of that banner template, or on the WikiProject's own talk page - but not here. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

More than one category[edit]

Hi there, is there a way to subscribe to pages in more than one maincategory? I'm thinking of subscribing WP Anthroponymy to articles that fall in either Category:Given names or Category:Surnames. Uanfala (talk) 13:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Isn't Category:Human names the best choice? We would not want to omit most of the other subcats there. – Fayenatic London 13:58, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
It is! But does the bot recurse through the subcategories? Uanfala (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Currently, there's no way to subscribe to subcategories. The talk page subcategory logic is only there because enough projects don't have a banner or central category for their pages, and only have predicatble WP 1.0 importance/quality categories. It's usable, because it's only half a dozen sub-categories. However, mainspace categories can have dozens of subcategories and huge hierarchies. And then there are likely multiple categories to begin with. If projects started using this, this would increase the bot run time by hours to read them all and then to correlate each page to each project's each workflow. I would need to do a large rewrite to that logic to make something like that to work. The current design is that projects should tag their pages and then they get included. Things like mainspace categories would be needed if the pages of interest to the project aren't actually tagged by the project. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
The one project that I know of that doesn't tag most of its pages is Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation, but all of its pages sit at the root of a single category, which is what it's subscribed to, so the current system works fine for it. Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy seems to favour tagging all its articles (even though for the vast majority of cases (that is, list articles that by default don't receive any quality or importance ratings) the banner is somewhat superfluous). Still, some of its articles aren't tagged and most of them are placed (by a mainspace template) directly under either Category:Given names or Category:Surnames. So, recursion isn't necessary, as long as we can subscribe to both of these mainspace categories. But this isn't possible, is it? The alternative, of course, will be to try and tag all articles that haven't been tagged yet. Uanfala (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Both, currently no. One, yes. The "proper" way is to tag them of course. More flexible ways to find pages is on my todo list, but it's complicated due to how long it would take to gather and scan so many categories. It wouldn't be too hard to have multiple categories though. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:17, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Mfdx[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Mfdx has been nominated for deletion. The disussion is at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 August 9#Template:Mfdx, and I am posting here per the article alerts on that template's documentation. Pppery (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Template move discussion[edit]

See Template talk:Cfd#Requested move 8 August 2016. clpo13(talk) 19:38, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Taylor Swift/Article alerts[edit]

Can anyone see what is wrong that the bot has never updated this page? —IB [ Poke ] 12:26, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I just added it to the subscription page. Did I do the correct way? —IB [ Poke ] 12:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
You added it correctly. The bot only runs once a day though, so it won't update the page until tomorrow. The page before that was not created by the bot, but by a user, that's why there's nothing there. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 16:33, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article alerts/Archive 6[edit]

Has a bunch of duplicates in its AfD archives. czar 04:42, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

How AA associates with a WikiProject[edit]

@Hellknowz, how does AA determine whether a page is part of a project? It looks for a project template on the corresponding talk page? Or does it use categories? (Asking re: Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Excluding categories and files from MAIN CAT)czar 15:13, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Based on its subscription. Wikipedia:Article_alerts/Subscribing#Basic_subscription goes through the various ways. It can be either banner or category (or both or none). Banner has been historically preferred over category. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks—Is there any benefit to using one over the other? And if categories/files were excluded from the main category, those pages would then be excluded from AA's rounds? czar 15:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
No real difference. Occasionally, a project doesn't have a separate banner. Many projects don't have a single category. If there's no banner or category, then there's no way for the bot to associate those pages. If there's no category, but still a banner, then they would get picked up. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:38, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
@Czar: I thought I explained this here? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64, just clarification—wanted to know whether there was a reason for doing it this way czar 22:55, 27 August 2016 (UTC)